Mueller subpoenas Trump Organization

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  1. PrettyPanther profile image85
    PrettyPantherposted 14 months ago

    --    The special counsel Robert Mueller has reportedly subpoenaed the Trump Organization for documents related to its financial dealings, including with Russia.
    --    The move brings Mueller one step closer to the "red line" President Donald Trump said he would cross if he ventured into the Trump family's finances.
    --    In particular, Mueller is said to be scrutinizing the company's push to build a Trump Tower in Moscow in late 2015 and early 2016, at the height of Trump's presidential bid.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller- … nts-2018-3

    First, contrary to the statements of some Trump supporters, it is clear that Mueller has not "run out of evidence" and there are no signs that this investigation is about to end.   

    Second, Mueller's grand jury handing out subpoenas as opposed to Mueller just asking for documents probably means that Mueller didn't trust the Trump organization would cooperate in a comprehensive and thorough manner unless compelled by legal force.

    Last, does this cross Trump's "red line"?  If so, what will he do?

    1. IslandBites profile image87
      IslandBitesposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      So, that's why this was news today? Maybe?



      "Preemptive strike"?

      Every time. LOL

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, I thought the same thing. Interesting timing, to say the least.

    2. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      "In particular, Mueller is said to be scrutinizing the company's push to build a Trump Tower in Moscow in late 2015 and early 2016, at the height of Trump's presidential bid."

      You mean "push" as in throw out a couple of feelers and promptly abandon the idea?  That kind of "push"?

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Hmm,  I don't know. Do you have inside info that the rest of us aren't privy to?

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Well, that's what I heard.  From the oh-so-honest-and-unbiased internet, no less! big_smile

          1. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, it's amazing how one's bias will affect one's interpretation of the facts, isn't it?

  2. Randy Godwin profile image92
    Randy Godwinposted 14 months ago

    From what  I've heard Trump's been trying to broker a Tower deal in Moscow for almost a decade. No ties with Ruskies though! tongue

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Hmmm.  If he had solid ties, I would think that the tower would have built years ago.  On the other hand, if those ties don't exist, or are tenuous, then it seems unlikely he'll get one completed. 

      Somehow I don't see failure to complete a business deal as indicative of strong business or, given the country in question, political ties.  "Oh, hi, Anton, how are you today", a handshake and move on type of thing rather than "Now, Anton, who do we pressure to get that building permit?"

      1. mrpopo profile image74
        mrpopoposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Thought the same thing when I saw Randy's comment. Maybe he can clarify.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          It does seem a little contradictory, doesn't it?  I did see where the possibility of building a tower in Russia was briefly looked into some time ago, but promptly dropped as not being feasible.  I'd have to guess that that brief inquiry turned into a decade long effort to some.

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
            JAKE Earthshineposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            Actually, reports indicate the Trump's have been pursuing Russian interests for decades and his sloppy attorney claimed a letter of intent to build a trump tower in this corrupt land was executed DURING THE Presidential Campaign which is proof that a considerable amount of due diligence was performed and the entanglements between both must run very deep and wide.

            Are we all becoming a little more educated as it pertains to the severe conflicts of interest and Trump's cowardly obedience to Vladimir Putin and perhaps his business dealings?

            This is just one incident that is now public, wait until an examination of Felix Sater, Azerbaijan, Panama money laundering and all other deceitful webs are thoroughly investigated.

            But hey, don't worry, Russia is a ruse and charlatan liar Donald says he has NOTHING TO Do with Russia, and how rotten of a reputation does a person need have for a ruthless, brutal unthinkably corrupt dictator like Putin to turn down a business deal with that person like he apparently did with Donald?

            http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-kn … d=49472342

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              And these "reports" and letter of intent are like those "multiple in depth psychiatric exams" you mentioned, aren't they?  Nonexistent, in other words, just like the "strong connection to Putin" and other "Russian connections".

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
                JAKE Earthshineposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                According to the article, Mr. Trump's sloppy attorney not me said a letter of intent to build in Russia was signed DURING the presidential campaign. So If you don't believe a letter of intent to build a crappy looking Trump tower in Russia was actually executed, you're calling Mr. Trump's lawyer a liar, not me, and would that actually be such a big surprise?

                If you wish, go back and read the ABC article I posted.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  If I write a letter of intent to my city council, saying I want to build a store in that city, does it indicate that I have "connections" or "ties" to that city?  That's what you're trying to claim is true, but of course it isn't.

                  And no, I'm not calling Trump's lawyer a liar for he hasn't said anything to me.  Just you and, via the internet, whoever wrote that link you gave.  And whether they lied or not (either one of them) is pretty much irrelevant in the matter of "russian ties", "Russian collusion" or anything else except whether Trump did indeed investigate the possibility of building a tower there.  Which Trump says he did.

                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    lol, you're impossible wilderness. So if you don't believe anything you see, read or hear, where do you get your information? Whether anyone likes it or not, Trump's attorney said a letter of intent was signed during the election to build a cruddy trump named building in Russia and that's a reported fact.

                    What about the pathetic miss whatser name contest STD Donny produced in Russia in 2013? Or his well documented relationship with Russian Criminal Felon Felix Sater? lol, No connections there either I suppose.

                    The orange slob in the oval office is this close to prison, or possibly even a more severe penalty if he's charged with treason and he knows it, Right now, he must be slamming his head up against anything and everything hard. Poetic justice.

                    According to the following report, here's what Felix Sater wrote:

                    “Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Mr. Sater wrote in an email. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

                    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/us/p … sater.html

              2. IslandBites profile image87
                IslandBitesposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Personal note and letter of intent
                https://www.dropbox.com/s/7113fzw34xfk3hh/LOI.pdf?dl=0

                Four months into his campaign for president of the United States, Donald Trump signed a letter of intent to pursue a Trump Tower–style building development in Moscow, according to a statement from the Trump Organization’s then–chief counsel, Michael Cohen.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Uhhh...your link is from someone asking someone else to ask Trump to sign a legal letter of intent (which does not, in itself, indicate anything more than interest; a proposal, then, not an agreement or contract).

                  It does NOT say that Trump signed anything at all; instead it says he had NOT signed it, as of when that letter was made.  And it certainly does not indicate any connection between Trump and Russia for the same reason.

                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Well wilderness, IslandBites never said Trump signed a letter of intent she's quoting what his sloppy attorney Michael Cohen said. It appears to have been initiated by Felix Sater, Senior Advisor to Trump, X felon, Russian Mafia sleaze and connected to the Russian hierarchy . But nope, no ties there. lol

                    So if you don't believe it, you should actually call Mr. Cohen a liar and nobody else.

                    And guess what else STD Donny apparently never signed, yup Stormy Daniel's non-disclosure agreement, and guess who did apparently sign it? yup Sloppy Mr Cohen STD Donny's attorney. So by your standard of proof, Stormy's NDA is invalid because STD Donny never signed it and Stormy can now offer the public her explosive story right?

                    Remember those Russian spies Donny got so comfy and cozy with in our oval office? Then gave them top secret intel just like a traitor would? Nope, no ties there.

                    Looking at the public evidence, STD Donny is long gone, just a matter of what he's charged with and if he gets life imprisonment or worse.


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                  2. IslandBites profile image87
                    IslandBitesposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Erm. That is the letter of intent forwarded by Russian-born businessman Felix Sater to the Trump Organization's lawyer at the time, Michael Cohen.

                    The quote is about what M. Cohen said.
                    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-kn … d=49472342
                    You asked if the reports and letter were nonexistent. That's your answer. Not that you care about facts.

                    New spin in 1,2,3...

          2. IslandBites profile image87
            IslandBitesposted 14 months agoin reply to this
            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Oh, but Islandbites, that's only 7 years ago, not 10. That's definitely not a "push." It's more like a "tickle" or a  "slight brush of the pinky finger." And, a video is not evidence of anything. I need a document signed by Donald in his own blood, with a  DNA test proving it's Donald's blood. Oh, wait, is the lab run by a Republican whose wife donated $200 to Hillary in 2008? That totally makes it all a witch hunt.  I don't trust anything I see on the internet, unless it's a denial of wrongdoing from Donald. That's golden!

              roll

              There, I saved you some time, wilderness. big_smile

            2. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
              JAKE Earthshineposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Well wilderness, it looks like we have a SLAM Dunk ---- GAME Over ---- Either that's comrade Donny in 2011 talking about his bona fide 'INTENT', plans to build in Moscow, or he has a body double running around just like Saddam Hussein. I guess this puts that 'letter of intent' in a new light.

              Too bad for the Trump family that we live in a modern age where all the film footage evidence that prosecution needs to indict, is right there at their finger tips.

              Special Prosecutor Mueller must be adding this these two damning films to his body of evidence to indict.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                I'd be willing to bet quite a few bucks that wilderness will not view this as a slam dunk. He'll probably argue it is an air ball. With an offensive foul on the shot. Lol.

                1. promisem profile image97
                  promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  +1

                2. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  A slam dunk?  That a possible business was considered in Russia?  I guess it is - that Trump considered building a business in Russia - which is what I've said all along. 

                  (From my earlier post: "I did see where the possibility of building a tower in Russia was briefly looked into some time ago...")

                  But a slam dunk that Donald Trump has "connections" in Russia, or that he is "pushing" to build a Trump Tower there?  I didn't see anything about either one of those - just that he has investigated the possibility of opening a business there and obviously spoke to Russians about it.

                  As usual, an innocent, simple business contact is blown into a dark, nefarious and evil "connection" with Putin, the Russian mafia and anyone else on the shady side.  Or was that always what that "connection" with Putin was about?  That Trump had made business inquiries with Russian people instead of colluding to fix the election?

                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Listen very closely, if my ears don't deceive me, you might hear STD Donny say "We're thinking about doing a trump tower Moscow"

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDZxA09Stiw

                    Felix Sater was and perhaps still is a senior advisor to STD Donny, and by the way, he's also a convicted felon and Russian mafia member.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Sater

                    Why do you think mentally unhinged Donny is going ape in his room right now? He knows he's going away for a very very long time if he's lucky. His campaign manager Russian puppet traitor Paul Manifort is facing 300 years in prison, you think he might flip?

    2. promisem profile image97
      promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Randy, you might want to know about the Florida mansion he bought for $40 million and sold only four years later to a Putin buddy for $100 million.

      The Russian bought the grossly overpriced house right in the middle of the 2008 recession when housing prices had plunged. Miraculously, the value of Trump's mansion went in the other direction.

      And it was just a few months after Trump's resorts declared bankruptcy and no banks would lend to him.

      That's what I call a solid tie.

      http://www.newsweek.com/trump-sold-40-m … tic-802613

      1. promisem profile image97
        promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        By the way, bogus real estate transactions is one way someone like Putin launders the money he steals from his own country.

        He can't get away with personally buying real estate in the U.S., so he runs it through someone else's business. Organized crime does the same thing.

        Why do you think the Cayman Islands are home to twice as many corporations as people?  smile

      2. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
        JAKE Earthshineposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Not only is it a solid tie, but the potential for solid money laundering if you connect all the evidence which isn't that difficult to accomplish. i'd be surprised if the special prosecutor is not probing this fishy transaction.

        I believe I recall an investigative report which described the 40 million dollar mansion as full of filth and scum, which would be perfectly appropriate for the Trumps, but Russians are not dumb investors. If money laundering wasn't a purpose, why did Putin's pal pay more than double the market value for a filth filled house that he never occupied or used? I don't even think he rented it. What's up with that?

        1. promisem profile image97
          promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          You're right. The Russian cariologist who somehow ended up with $10 billion -- kind of like Putin's billionaire "chef" -- never lived in it.

          http://www.miamiherald.com/news/busines … 87364.html

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
            JAKE Earthshineposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            Yeah promisem, I thought I'd recalled some of the details of this highly suspicious deal. Donny buys a 40 million dollar filth filled house, along comes a Russian oligarch and without explanation, significantly over pays Donny for the dirty property, never lives in it, never rents it out and who knows, I might wager a few bucks that the Russian never even personally inspected nor visited the house.

            A 100 million dollar purchase sitting idle. That's unheard of.

            lol. Nope, no money laundering here, just your average real estate transaction right?

            But here's a creative idea, maybe Donny's nightmare Stormy could rent it out, hire a team to clean up all Donny's orange and green filth, add a few pay per view cinemas, a vendor cage and a very large popcorn machine, charge 100 bucks per seat and maybe play some films.

            And hey, even Melanie could buy a ticket if it's not sold out.

  3. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
    JAKE Earthshineposted 14 months ago

    Just more damning evidence of conspiracy / collusion for special prosecutor Mueller to investigate

    Cambridge Analytica ----> white nationalist Steve Bannon ----> Mr. Trump

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13962235.jpg

  4. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
    JAKE Earthshineposted 14 months ago

    YIKES, sorry, I promise it wasn't my intent to frighten everyone with that gratuitously large big headed portrait of Mr. Wonderful‘s bloated puffy, not so handsome face, but I think he’s got even bigger problems than his lovely appearance. This must be included in the special prosecutors criminal investigation.

    Mr. Trump ---- Roger Stone ---- Guccifer ---- WikiLeaks ---- Russians

  5. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
    JAKE Earthshineposted 14 months ago

    The unprecedented unlawful conspiracy to undermine democracy and embed what appears to be a Russian puppet in the oval office included the illegal intrusion into and theft of, private property owned by citizens of the United States. Intentional espionage / hacking by Russian agents with intent to steal secret info in an elaborate bid to place a friendly in a position of power as proven by United States Intelligence Agencies.

    Now, shocking reports indicate "GUCCIFER 2.0' is indeed a hostile Russian agent as suspected and reports also indicate Roger Stone, a close associate of Mr. Trump's was in contact with this Russian operative. The connections could be aligned as follows.

    Mr. Trump ---- Roger Stone ---- Guccifer ---- WikiLeaks ---- Julian Asange ---- Russians ---- Vladimir Putin

    Another MAJOR Development in the Trump Campaign Criminal Investigation ----

    https://nypost.com/2018/03/22/dnc-hacke … l-officer/

    Why did Trump apparently ban American reporters from this secret oval office meeting with Russian agents while allowing Moscow reporters in? Why did Trump recklessly compromise our national security by divulging secret intel to these two Russian spies? Why is Trump cowardly obedient to Vladimir Putin in public? Why is Mr. Trump sabotaging the American healthcare system while congratulating Vladimir Putin as he disrupts our power grid and vital water supply? Why did some Americans actually believe Mr. Trump when he blatantly lied and said he had no Russian ties when film evidence proves otherwise?

    Donald looks pretty comfortable around Russian spies wouldn't you say? Much more so than with Americans.


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