The Russian collusion has dominated the main street media for over a year now.
What is going on? It is time for the special counsel Mueller to wrap things up.
Either he has evident or not. No more fishing expeditions.
This investigation has taken its course. Time to end it and move on...
American people are fair minded an patient. However, we are not stupid.
This investigation was clouded with intrigue from the start...
It is time to put everything on the table.
What do you think?
A few things ate crystal clear:
1) Mueller runs a tight ship with no leaks, therefore we cannot legitimately state that "this investigation has run its course."
2) Mueller is meticulous. He will "put everything on the table" when he is ready. More indictments are coming.
"Time to end it and move on....". Surely, as a patriot, you want all criminal activity properly documented and exposed.
So what do think should be a reasonable time for this investigation...?
I don’t want an endless fishing expedition.
Mueller is not a straight shooter.
Leaks would have been out already if there was some substance to his investigation.
The fact that there is no damaging leaks points to the fact that they found nothing on Trump.
The time frame is however long it takes to do it right.
The Benghazi investigations began in September 2012 and ended in December 2016.
I am a staunch Trump supporter, and in this case I will have to disagree with you my friend. On Feb, 16th Mueller came out with his first announcement in regards to the investigation. No American's were involved with tampering in the 2016 presidential election. Yes there was Russian tampering, as there has been for many years in our elections. It is well known that Russia has a history of tampering in not only our elections, but many other nations as well. 13 Russian nationalist have been indited, and hopefully they will be found guilty and punished.
For over a year President Trump stood convicted and sentenced for a crime he did not commit. Convicted by a bias media as well as bias citizens that clearly dislike him. There has been little coverage of his exoneration. You see people that practice this form bias thinking do not care to hear facts. Especially when those facts don't support their theory. They move on to some other bit of unproven rhetoric. Never, feeling the consequences of their foolishness.
It's my hope that Meuller continues his investigation until he feels it time to call it a day. It makes it all the sweeter to watch fools scurry about looking for another soap box to climb up onto, and clumsily off of.
What makes this all so much fun. President Trump just walks over them, and continues to work towards his agenda. The progressive agenda he won on.... He is doing a wonderful job, and I could not be prouder of him. In the end, Meuller will just add another feather to Trump's cap. And perhaps make some see the truth. This man is working to improve America.
I don’t disagree with that. But how long do we want Mueller to continue? We need an end date and a wrap up.
One of the problem we should learn from history is the independent consel statue should never be open ended... like the Bill Clinton affair.
What I truly dislike about the investigation continuing is that it's costing tax payers tons of cash. Not to mention how foolish we look to other nations. With all our governments antics, we look like fools, idiots. Just my opinion, but I think it will be over very soon.
A woman trump supporter. Wow. Kinda like Jews for Hitler. The orange man-baby already cost taxpayers ton of cash for his golfing alone!
How dare you, and how rude... Before you insult anyone's looks, have a good look in the mirror... In case you had not noticed we were discussing the Mueller investigation. Why comment when you have nothing but a glib insult, Actually you need to be made aware your materiel is getting old... By the way, Trump is a successful businessman, and president of the United States, and you?
Don't fret yourself; it's just another troll, joined HP yesterday to troll the HP forums. Likely won't last long with the moderators we have.
"No American's were involved with tampering in the 2016 presidential election."
Rosenstein stated that "there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity."
Note the words "in this indictment." This is not a statement of exoneration. Maybe, in the end, there will be no evidence of collusion by any Americans, but you cannot legitimately say that Trump and his campaign have been exonerated....yet
Especially because it also says:
Defendants knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other (and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury) to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the government through fraud and deceit for the purpose of interfering with the U.S. political and electoral processes, including the presidential election of 2016.
I believe is far from over.
I'm with you. Legal experts are saying these indictments lay the groundwork for describing the criminal activity that Americans might have assisted with. More indictments are likely.
I may not know about investigations like this...but I do know this. Given enough time and resources, you can make a case against any one in the world including Pope and mother Teresa. No person is guiltless except for Jesus. We are all sinners.
Don’t you agree?
I would say if the FBI is turned loose on you, you would probably be guilty of some form of crime...
Yeah, but I doubt they care about my speeding or jaywalking. Money laundering, though....that would get their attention. Of course, since I've never done anything remotely like that, or anything else of interest to the FBI, I would not be worried. I wonder why Trump is so worried?
Oh, wait, when I was a teenager I drank Annie Greensprings down by the river. Do you think the FBI will go after me?
If they want to they can get anything... remeber Martha Stewart. She was indicted for lying to the FBI and not for insider trading...
Also, have you ever downloaded music without paying for it?
That is technically a crime of theft.
My nephrew was applying to the FBI for special agent and he passed with flying colors till the final step of the interview process. As it turned out, he had downloaded some music in his college days and for that reason he was rejected and did not get the job.
My point being, anyone, if targeted, can be found guilty of something...
Not true, Jack. If that were true, Clinton would be in jail, after all the investigations she's been through.
And no, I've never illegally downloaded music. I've always paid for it.
You are missing the point. If anything the past few weeks revealed, it was the fix was in for Hillary from the start. The FBI and DOJ, did everything to avoid indicting Hillary, despite the numerous charges of misconduct and abuse of confidential documents in her private email server...
Again, if they wanted to, she could have been charged with a slew of crimes.
It was called prosecutorial discretion...
Your obsession with Fox is telling... I didn’t say any thing about FOX. Why are you so obssessed?
Get some help...
Your entire concept of a FBI investigation shows your ignorance of the process, Jack. This is only one indictment among many so far. Mueller is obviously doing a good job of keeping leaks out of the press, unlike your boy Donnie who rails at every indictment with some form of "No collusion" in his tweets. I cannot wait until Mueller gets Trump in front of his investigating team or a grand jury. Let the games begin.
That will never happen.... It's all but over, and we sure wasted a lot of time and money.
What makes think this won't happen, Shar? How much did you bitch about the cost of Bill and Hillary's investigations? Not much I'd wager! Bet you're all for the Trump parade at a cost of 50 million dollars.
RG, No I am not on the parade bandwagon. And I bitched plenty about spending money on any of the Clinton investigations. Because she clearly broke the laws of her office, and it was clear to me that even though she told lie after lie to congress under oath she would not be prosecuted. They physically carried an illegal server out of her home, she was not prosecuted. These where cut and dry crimes. I won't bother going into her much more serious crimes. However, I trust.you know the list...
If you read my first comment you will see I am all for the Mueller investigation to continue, and all of he reasons I have for hoping he continues until he has no more gas. In regards to Mueller questioning Trump. In my opinion he has no reason to. The investigation has not turned up any evidence that any American's were involved with Russian tampering in our election. I feel this is the first shoe to drop by Mueller, and he is trying to close this mess up as gracefully as he can. It was a witch hunt, and no one will be" burned at the stake". At least not yet, they are still investigating the DNC, and Hillary's dossier.as well as her foundation. Her old broken down machine is just about done. And hey, you owe me that apology . Remember you said if the Mueller investigation found no evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians you would apologize. I would have kept my end of the bargain. Or I can wait until the investigation is completely over? Take your medicine now or later.
What makes you think Mueller hasn't turned up anything on Trump colluding with Russia, Shar? Did the Pappadopoulis indictment catch you by surprise? Or the 13 Russians indicted for meddling in our election? How can you be sure Mueller isn't simply homing in on Trump for the final indictment? Inquiring minds and all that.....
And I will certainly apologize if I'm wrong about Trump. Will you admit you voted for a traitor if I'm right?
A traitor? Who wants to MAGA...secure our borders, build the wall, bring jobs back...
Who is the real traitor? RG the pot calling the kettle black.
RG, if collusion with Russia lead to all these good results, I say keep it up...
And, there it is, the truth. Some Trump supporters don't give a damn what Trump does. You gotta give Trump credit for knowing his base.
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters."
Then you are a traitor as well, Jack! And you want the Mueller investigation to end before your boy Donnie gets his ass in a sling, that's clear enough!
The one thing with those who hate President Trump, he could find a cure for childhood cancer and the left would claim he's trying to put pediatricians and hospitals who specialize in cancer treatment out of business as part of his budget plan. He can't win with those on the other side. They have lost their ability to be objective. This makes it easy to ignore what they say.
Why then is Trump not enforcing the sanctions , Jack? At least try and explain? No one wants to give their reasons why he isn't trying to punish Russia for their meddling in our election. I doubt you have an answer as well.
RG, If Trump is himself new of or participated in collusion with Russia, I will certainly admit I voted for a Traitor. In return I would appreciate a simple " I was wrong about Trump colluding with the Russians. Sorry I condemned him before I knew all the facts from the investigation." Now isn't that fair? So, let's wait until Mueller gives his findings, and packs up and leaves.
Before you come back at me with Trump should be doing more to stop the Russians in regards to tampering with our election, I agree...He should be taking steps to try to stop them from tampering in our elections.
I will keep my word, Shar. I'll apologize for all of my wrongful judgements of Trump if Mueller gives him a clean bill of health n the investigation.
He won't. There will be someone, American or otherwise, that Trump has spoken to, has seen across the room, attended the same school or has some other nebulous connection with and that was involved on the edge of the "crime". And you'll claim Trump not only knew about it but paid that person to do whatever they did.
Do you have inside information on what Mueller has Dan, or are you simply opining as usual? I'll bet it's the latter in your case.
And for sure Trump will deny as he has about his former campaign cronies who've already been indicted by Mueller. They were simply coffee boys according to Little Donnie despite there being pics of them meeting with Little Don.
RG, I hope you will keep your word. Mueller will be letting out bits of what he found on the Russians he has indited to make it look like we got our moneys worth. Then he will try to gracefully take a powder... LOL It's almost over, he has to make it look like he has done all he could, but it was as Trump said - "a witch hunt."
You have no more experience than any of us have in investigating criminal activity, Jack. It took much longer to get Nixon out than it has to get Trump indicted. But don't worry, Mueller is doing an excellent job of keeping his cards close to his vest is why there's no leaks. To bad for Trump fans!
I’m guessing that unless heads start to roll, those in charge are being instructed by their handlers to drag it out to the midterms
Considering the last testimony by Clinton in the Benghazi political theater was three years after the event, just another example of conservatives having a different set of standards when it applies to them.
Add this to uproar over obamas golfing, deficit spending, and being pro-life until it's their mistress that needs the abortion.
So what do think should be a reasonable time for this investigation...? Did you ask that question on Benghazi?
You should be happy with the 13 indictments today!
Benghazi involved deaths of military people as well as the Ambassador. It was a horrific thing that happened. THEN, the president and Secretary of state blatantly lied when trying to blame it on a YouTube video.
Trying to find something you want to have happened but after so many months of investigation can't be proven....it quite a bit different.
For the record, the United States spent taxpayer money to influence the elections in Israel. Why aren't Americans upset with this event that occurred under the Obama Administration? Just asking.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 … netanyahu/
The United States also tried to influence the Russian election among others. The U.S. also attempted to sway Russian elections. In 1996, with the presidency of Boris Yeltsen.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us- … story.html
Checkout this new documentary on the Clinton impeachment saga...
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 … areer.html
Do you want to see a repeat of this with Trump?
May I remind you our year long distraction of the impeachment of Clinton, lead indirectly to the 9/11 terrorist attack by OBL on the World Trade Center...
If you followed the history of events, Bill Clinton was offered OBL by our colleagues in the MiddleEast and he refused several times. This is in the history records.
We took our eye off the ball and 3000 Americans died.
Another Fox News myth, Jack. Bill said if he could have gotten Ben Lauden he would have. Try another Fox misinformation talking point!
Here is in Clinton’s own own words...
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow … story.html
This was not FOX news or anything you dreamed up...
I suppose you wanted him to kill over 300 people to get him, eh Jack? I would have made the same decision, but would you? Not really a foolproof plan for getting OBL in the first place. Geeze!
This was just one of many opportunities. Where have you been? He was offered to arrest and extradite him from Saudia Arabia and Sudan and Clinton turned them down...no innocent lives were at stake.
What do you consider credible? It is in the eye of beholder or in your case not FOX...
Why don't you check out the sites you link, Jack? There's practically no info about those who actually write and own the site. This BS is getting old in a hurry. You want me to post links from a far left site even though they're unvetted? Gee whiz, dude!
How about this video...
That's just as idiotic, Jack! didn't you even watch the video? There was no crimes committed against us by OBL. What grounds did Clinton have to charge him? Surely you can do better than that, but I'm starting to seriously doubt it!
No wonder those of your ilk voted for the con man if this is what you consider facts.
You are a clinton apologists. why don’t you watch the documentary Scandalous and learn some history.
The Clintons did so much damage to our country both morally and politically and they are worshiped by the Democratic party...and modern democrats. They deserve each other.
Dude claims he doesn't get his info from Fox News, then suggests you go watch a Fox News documentary. Classic.
Fox is and has been the number one watched news network for 16 years. One only has to check the Nielsen ratings.They must be doing something right...
There are more idiots than I ever expected. Shows the lack of education for pro-Trump supporters. Most people watch several different sources of media to get a balanced view of the facts. Not Fox watchers, they listen to opinion people rather than journalists to get their "facts."
Judges in the various lawsuits against Fox News including the conservative Arizona Supreme Court have called the network "infotainment".
Fox News is successful with Republicans because it tells them what they want to hear rather than the truth.
“Look, there’s a certain element of the melding with show business or entertainment. Entertainment and news should always be separate, but you should walk right up to the line and get your toe on it.”
- Roger Ailes, Fox News founder
Promisem, your idea of a great news outlet is...CNN? Couldn't find the quote from the Arizona Supreme Court. Your Roger Ailes quote is taken out of context...as usual.
True Pro, Fox is the main problem with the Right as they have their viewers where they want them, in the dark as far as facts and real news are concerned. And they fall for it too easily as shown by the Fox posters on these threads.
How ironic the founder of Fox News admits he blended news with entertainment but Fox fanatics deny it.
Link please, showing that the Arizona Supreme Court identified Fox News as "infotainment"? And as a sideshow, a link to those judges sitting the bench during a lawsuit against the organization also calling it infotainment? (That would be a great place to start replacing biased, unethical judges with real ones).
I withdraw the judge sentence because I misread the authors of the legal filings. Those filings by lawsuit attorneys referred to FN as infotainment.
I stand by the Roger Ailes comment. There is nothing to take out of context.
Any thinking, open-minded human being knows Fox News for what it is.
Apology accepted. It is certainly no surprise that an attorney would attempt to denigrate/demonize their opponent - it is little but a game to them, a game that is won more by emotional outcries more than solid evidence.
May I add that any thinking, open-minded human being knows all major news sources for what they are; a method of earning money from advertisers and it doesn't particularly matter if a false impression is created in the listener as long as it sells ads. Personally I watch NBC most of the time (I like their local news) and find it at least as biased as Fox. Lester Holt is a hoot the way he consistently phrases anything about Trump; truth in detail but phrased and spoken in such a manner as to give a very, very false impression, and always a negative "feeling" about Trump. It is also quite irritating and I generally go do something else until later in his half hour and he's left Trump behind (negative comments on Trump are nearly always the lead in and he'll quit after a while to go on to something more important). That Ailes made the comment just points out that he's more honest than Holt is as both services do the same thing.
I made no apology because none was necessary. Please stop inventing comments that I don't make.
Informed people don't claim industry expertise when they don't have any experience in an industry or a basic understanding of it.
Sorry. I took that "I withdraw the judge sentence" as an apology.
As it was not, do try to keep your facts straight. Posting untrue stories is not an accepted practice, even though not uncommon, either. Do put some effort into improving your performance rather than trying to withdraw false statements after being caught in a lie.
(Was that better? )
"Informed people don't claim industry expertise when they don't have any experience in an industry or a basic understanding of it."
"Any thinking, open-minded human being knows Fox News for what it is."
I presume you are that person that has experience in an industry and a basic understanding of it? Must be as you said the same thing I did: I merely changed it from Fox to all giving the same opinion you did about Fox.
"Any thinking, open-minded human being knows Fox News for what it is" I would say this applies to CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC and the other news outlets whose main goal is to serve the Democrat party.
Sounds like you are saying all media is biased except for Fox News.
Can you admit what Roger Ailes himself said? That Fox is a blend of news and entertainment?
Promisern, I believe Roger Ailes said that ALL of news media is a blend of new and entertainment and that is what's required to succeed in that industry. Yeah, as far as I'm concerned the Democrat talking point are picked up and promoted by the mainstream media, and the conservatives only have Fox News for their voice. Objective journalism is dead.
Whew! Is it safe to enter the pool? I mean "traitor charges," non-apology retractions, "get-your-facts-straight" admonishments... Maybe I will just dip a toe first.
Speaking of Mueller... CNN is promoting an "exclusive." Mueller is looking at Jared Kirchner's business dealings. Specifically his seeking of foreign financing. I don't think they mentioned the what and when details, other than it involves the Chinese - not the Russians.
So what's up? Is Mueller's committee leaking now? How do they know?
I did note that CNN's "exclusive" isn't claiming any collusion connection.
I thought this media headline was pretty funny today...
Trump lashes out at everyone on Russia meddling in 2016 election - except Russia.
It has gotten to be a joke that Trump doesn't dare cross Pootie in any manner. Either he's a coward or is in Pootie's pocket. Either one is simply a damn shame for our country!
So, now we know Russians organized anti-Trump rallies after his election. I wonder why? ABC, CBS and other mainstream media colluded with the Russians?
"Michael Moore attended an anti-Trump rally organized by Russian sources. Moore didn’t know that the sources were Russian, but no matter — according to the standards of the Left, this amounts to collusion,"
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27343/co … n-shapiro#
If true, that's comical as heck! But it can't be true - none of the liberal press has reported it although it is all over the web...
Sure they reported it, you just missed it.
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