It is time for Mueller to put up or end the investigation into Trump

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  1. jackclee lm profile image83
    jackclee lmposted 9 months ago

    The Russian collusion has dominated the main street media for over a year now.
    What is going on? It is time for the special counsel Mueller to wrap things up.
    Either he has evident or not. No more fishing expeditions.
    This investigation has taken its course. Time to end it and move on... 
    American people are fair minded an patient. However, we are not stupid.
    This investigation was clouded with intrigue from the start...
    It is time to put everything on the table.
    What do you think?

    1. PrettyPanther profile image84
      PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      A few things ate crystal clear:

      1) Mueller runs a tight ship with no leaks, therefore we cannot legitimately state  that "this investigation has run its course."
      2) Mueller is meticulous. He will "put everything on the table" when he is ready. More indictments are coming.

      "Time to end it and move on....". Surely, as a patriot, you want all criminal activity properly documented and exposed.

      1. jackclee lm profile image83
        jackclee lmposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        So what do think should be a reasonable time for this investigation...?
        I don’t want an endless fishing expedition.
        Mueller is not a straight shooter.
        Leaks would have been out already if there was some substance to his investigation.
        The fact that there is no damaging leaks points to the fact that they found nothing on Trump.

        1. promisem profile image97
          promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          The time frame is however long it takes to do it right.

          The Benghazi investigations began in September 2012 and ended in December 2016.

          1. jackclee lm profile image83
            jackclee lmposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, and nothing came of it. The strange thing was, not one person on the scene were interviewed throughout the investigation. There was a total blackout. Why was that?

    2. Sharlee01 profile image91
      Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

      I am a staunch Trump supporter, and in this case I will have to disagree with you my friend. On Feb, 16th Mueller came out with his first announcement in regards to the investigation. No American's were involved with tampering in the 2016 presidential election.   Yes there was Russian tampering, as there has been for many years in our elections. It is well known that Russia has a history of tampering in not only our elections, but  many other nations as well.  13 Russian nationalist have been indited, and hopefully they will be found guilty and punished.

      For over a year President Trump  stood  convicted and sentenced for a crime he did not commit. Convicted by a bias media as well as bias citizens that clearly dislike him.  There has been little coverage of his exoneration.  You see people that practice this form bias thinking do not care to hear facts. Especially when those facts  don't support their theory. They move on to some other bit of unproven rhetoric. Never, feeling the consequences of their foolishness.

      It's my hope that Meuller continues his investigation until he feels it time to call it a day.  It makes it all the sweeter to watch fools scurry about  looking for another soap box to climb up onto, and clumsily off of. 

      What makes this all so much fun.  President Trump just walks over them, and continues to work towards his agenda. The progressive agenda he won on.... He is doing a wonderful job, and I could not be prouder of him. In the end, Meuller will just add another feather to Trump's cap. And perhaps make some see the truth. This man is working to improve America.

      1. jackclee lm profile image83
        jackclee lmposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        I don’t disagree with that. But how long do we want Mueller to continue? We need an end date and a wrap up.
        One of the problem we should learn from history is the independent consel statue should never be open ended... like the Bill Clinton affair.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image91
          Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

          What I truly  dislike about  the investigation continuing is that it's costing tax payers tons of cash. Not to mention how foolish we look to other nations. With all our governments antics, we look like fools, idiots.  Just my opinion, but I think it will be over very soon.

          1. The Big Drake profile image60
            The Big Drakeposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            A woman trump supporter. Wow. Kinda like Jews for Hitler. The orange man-baby already cost taxpayers ton of cash for his golfing alone!

            1. Sharlee01 profile image91
              Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

              How dare you, and how rude...  Before you  insult anyone's looks, have a good look in the mirror...  In case you had not noticed we were discussing the Mueller investigation.  Why comment when you have nothing but a glib insult, Actually you need to be made aware your materiel is getting old... By the way, Trump is a successful businessman, and president of the United States, and you?

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Don't fret yourself; it's just another troll, joined HP yesterday to troll the HP forums.  Likely won't last long with the moderators we have.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                  Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  Thank you for the heads up. This man is a real piece of work...

      2. PrettyPanther profile image84
        PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        "No American's were involved with tampering in the 2016 presidential election."

        Rosenstein stated that  "there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity."

        Note the words "in this indictment."  This is not a statement of exoneration. Maybe, in the end, there will be no evidence of collusion by any Americans, but you cannot legitimately say that Trump and his campaign have been exonerated....yet

        1. IslandBites profile image87
          IslandBitesposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Especially because it also says:

          Defendants knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other (and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury) to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the government through fraud and deceit for the purpose of interfering with the U.S. political and electoral processes, including the presidential election of 2016.

          I believe is far from over.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image84
            PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            I'm with you.  Legal experts are saying these indictments lay the groundwork for describing the criminal activity that Americans might have assisted with. More indictments are likely.

            1. jackclee lm profile image83
              jackclee lmposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              I may not know about investigations like this...but I do know this. Given enough time and resources, you can make a case against any one in the world including Pope and mother Teresa. No person is guiltless except for Jesus. We are all sinners.
              Don’t you agree?
              I would say if the FBI is turned loose on you, you would probably be guilty of some form of crime...

              1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Yeah, but I doubt they care about my speeding or jaywalking. Money laundering, though....that would get their attention. Of course, since I've never done anything remotely like that, or anything else of interest to the FBI, I would not be worried. I wonder why Trump is so worried?

                Oh, wait, when I was a teenager I drank Annie Greensprings down by the river. Do you think the FBI will go after me? big_smile

                1. jackclee lm profile image83
                  jackclee lmposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  If they want to they can get anything... remeber Martha Stewart. She was indicted for lying to the FBI and not for insider trading...
                  Also, have you ever downloaded music without paying for it?
                  That is technically a crime of theft.
                  My nephrew was applying to the FBI for special agent and he passed with flying colors till the final step of the interview process. As it turned out, he had downloaded some music in his college days and for that reason he was rejected and did not get the job.
                  My point being, anyone, if targeted, can be found guilty of something...

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                    PrettyPantherposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    Not true, Jack. If that were true, Clinton would be in jail, after all the investigations she's been through.

                    And no, I've never illegally downloaded music. I've always paid for it.

              2. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Your entire concept of a FBI investigation shows your ignorance of the process, Jack. This is only one indictment among many so far. Mueller is obviously doing a good job of keeping leaks out of the press, unlike your boy Donnie who rails at every indictment with some form of "No collusion" in his tweets. I cannot wait until Mueller gets Trump in front of his investigating team or a grand jury. Let the games begin.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                  Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  That will never happen.... It's all but over, and we sure wasted a lot of time and money.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    What makes think this won't happen, Shar? How much did you bitch about the cost of Bill and Hillary's investigations? Not much I'd wager! Bet you're all for the Trump parade at a cost of 50 million dollars. tongue

    3. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      You have no more experience than any of us have in investigating criminal activity, Jack. It took much longer to get Nixon out than it has to get Trump indicted. But don't worry, Mueller is doing an excellent job of keeping his cards close to his vest is why there's no leaks. To bad for Trump fans!

    4. RJ Schwartz profile image92
      RJ Schwartzposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      I’m guessing that unless heads start to roll, those in charge are being instructed by their handlers to drag it out to the midterms

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Could be.  There is certainly evidence that the FBI is not happy with Trump or, by association, Republicans.

  2. Valeant profile image95
    Valeantposted 9 months ago

    Considering the last testimony by Clinton in the Benghazi political theater was three years after the event, just another example of conservatives having a different set of standards when it applies to them.

    Add this to uproar over obamas golfing, deficit spending, and being pro-life until it's their mistress that needs the abortion.

  3. Kathleen Cochran profile image81
    Kathleen Cochranposted 9 months ago

    So what do think should be a reasonable time for this investigation...?  Did you ask that question on Benghazi?

    You should be happy with the 13 indictments today!

    1. Readmikenow profile image97
      Readmikenowposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Kathleen,

      Benghazi involved deaths of military people as well as the Ambassador.  It was a horrific thing that happened.  THEN, the president and Secretary of state blatantly lied when trying to blame it on a YouTube video. 

      Trying to find something you want to have happened but after so many months of investigation can't be proven....it quite a bit different.

      For the record, the United States spent taxpayer money to influence the elections in Israel.  Why aren't Americans upset with this event that occurred under the Obama Administration?  Just asking.

      https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 … netanyahu/

      The United States also tried to influence the Russian election among others.  The U.S. also attempted to sway Russian elections. In 1996, with the presidency of Boris Yeltsen.

      http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us- … story.html

    2. jackclee lm profile image83
      jackclee lmposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Checkout this new documentary on the Clinton impeachment saga...
      http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 … areer.html

      Do you want to see a repeat of this with Trump?

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, what's fair for the goose....

        1. jackclee lm profile image83
          jackclee lmposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          May I remind you our year long distraction of the impeachment of Clinton, lead indirectly to the 9/11 terrorist attack by OBL on the World Trade Center...
          If you followed the history of events, Bill Clinton was offered OBL by our colleagues in the MiddleEast and he refused several times. This is in the history records.
          We took our eye off the ball and 3000 Americans died.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Another Fox News myth, Jack. Bill said if he could have gotten Ben Lauden he would have. Try another Fox misinformation talking point! lol

            1. jackclee lm profile image83
              jackclee lmposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Here is in Clinton’s own own words...
              http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow … story.html

              This was not FOX news or anything you dreamed up...
              Bingo.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                I suppose you wanted him to kill over 300 people to get him, eh Jack?  lol I would have made the same decision, but would you? Not really a foolproof plan for getting OBL in the first place.  Geeze!

                1. jackclee lm profile image83
                  jackclee lmposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  This was just one of many opportunities. Where have you been? He was offered to arrest and extradite him from Saudia Arabia and Sudan and Clinton turned them down...no innocent lives were at stake.

                  1. jackclee lm profile image83
                    jackclee lmposted 9 months agoin reply to this
                  2. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    A credible link would be nice, Jack!

  4. Valeant profile image95
    Valeantposted 9 months ago

    Dude claims he doesn't get his info from Fox News, then suggests you go watch a Fox News documentary.  Classic.

  5. Sharlee01 profile image91
    Sharlee01posted 9 months ago

    Fox is and has been the number one watched news network for 16 years. One only has to check the Nielsen ratings.They must be doing something right...

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      There are more idiots than I ever expected.  Shows the lack of education for pro-Trump supporters. Most people watch several different sources of media to get a balanced view of the facts. Not Fox watchers, they listen to opinion people rather than journalists to get their "facts."

      1. promisem profile image97
        promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Judges in the various lawsuits against Fox News including the conservative Arizona Supreme Court have called the network "infotainment".

        Fox News is successful with Republicans because it tells them what they want to hear rather than the truth.

        “Look, there’s a certain element of the melding with show business or entertainment. Entertainment and news should always be separate, but you should walk right up to the line and get your toe on it.”

        - Roger Ailes, Fox News founder

        1. Readmikenow profile image97
          Readmikenowposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Promisem, your idea of a great news outlet is...CNN?  Couldn't find the quote from the Arizona Supreme Court.  Your Roger Ailes quote is taken out of context...as usual.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          True Pro, Fox is the main problem with the Right as they have their viewers where they want them, in the dark as far as facts and real news are concerned. And they fall for it too easily as shown by the Fox posters on these threads.

          1. promisem profile image97
            promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            How ironic the founder of Fox News admits he blended news with entertainment but Fox fanatics deny it.

            1. Readmikenow profile image97
              Readmikenowposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Promisem, I believe Roger Ailes was talking about the broadcast news business in general and not Fox specifically.   There are others who have tried to adopt his method of broadcast news.

        3. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Link please, showing that the Arizona Supreme Court identified Fox News as "infotainment"?  And as a sideshow, a link to those judges sitting the bench during a lawsuit against the organization also calling it infotainment?  (That would be a great place to start replacing biased, unethical judges with real ones).

        4. promisem profile image97
          promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          I withdraw the judge sentence because I misread the authors of the legal filings. Those filings by lawsuit attorneys referred to FN as infotainment.

          I stand by the Roger Ailes comment. There is nothing to take out of context.

          Any thinking, open-minded human being knows Fox News for what it is.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Apology accepted.  It is certainly no surprise that an attorney would attempt to denigrate/demonize their opponent - it is little but a game to them, a game that is won more by emotional outcries more than solid evidence.

            May I add that any thinking, open-minded human being knows all major news sources for what they are; a method of earning money from advertisers and it doesn't particularly matter if a false impression is created in the listener as long as it sells ads.  Personally I watch NBC most of the time (I like their local news) and find it at least as biased as Fox.  Lester Holt is a hoot the way he consistently phrases anything about Trump; truth in detail but phrased and spoken in such a manner as to give a very, very false impression, and always a negative "feeling" about Trump.  It is also quite irritating and I generally go do something else until later in his half hour and he's left Trump behind (negative comments on Trump are nearly always the lead in and he'll quit after a while to go on to something more important).  That Ailes made the comment just points out that he's more honest than Holt is as both services do the same thing.

            1. promisem profile image97
              promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              I made no apology because none was necessary. Please stop inventing comments that I don't make.

              Informed people don't claim industry expertise when they don't have any experience in an industry or a basic understanding of it.

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Sorry.  I took that "I withdraw the judge sentence" as an apology.

                As it was not, do try to keep your facts straight.  Posting untrue stories is not an accepted practice, even though not uncommon, either.  Do put some effort into improving your performance rather than trying to withdraw false statements after being caught in a lie.

                (Was that better? big_smile)

                "Informed people don't claim industry expertise when they don't have any experience in an industry or a basic understanding of it."

                "Any thinking, open-minded human being knows Fox News for what it is."

                I presume you are that person that has experience in an industry and a basic understanding of it?  Must be as you said the same thing I did: I merely changed it from Fox to all giving the same opinion you did about Fox.

          2. Readmikenow profile image97
            Readmikenowposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            "Any thinking, open-minded human being knows Fox News for what it is" I would say this applies to CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC and the other news outlets whose main goal is to serve the Democrat party.

            1. promisem profile image97
              promisemposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Sounds like you are saying all media is biased except for Fox News.

              Can you admit what Roger Ailes himself said? That Fox is a blend of news and entertainment?

              1. Readmikenow profile image97
                Readmikenowposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Promisern, I believe Roger Ailes said that ALL of news media is a blend of new and entertainment and that is what's required to succeed in that industry.  Yeah, as far as I'm concerned the Democrat talking point are picked up and promoted by the mainstream media, and the conservatives only have Fox News for their voice.  Objective journalism is dead.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                  Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  Who do you think is the most respected journalist on Fox, Mike?

  6. GA Anderson profile image85
    GA Andersonposted 9 months ago

    Whew! Is it safe to enter the pool? I mean "traitor charges," non-apology retractions, "get-your-facts-straight" admonishments... Maybe I will just dip a toe first.

    Speaking of Mueller... CNN is promoting an "exclusive." Mueller is looking at Jared Kirchner's  business dealings. Specifically his seeking of foreign financing. I don't think they mentioned the what and when details, other than it involves the Chinese - not the Russians.

    So what's up? Is Mueller's committee leaking now? How do they know?

    I did note that CNN's "exclusive" isn't claiming any collusion connection.

    GA

  7. Valeant profile image95
    Valeantposted 9 months ago

    I thought this media headline was pretty funny today...
    Trump lashes out at everyone on Russia meddling in 2016 election - except Russia.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      It has gotten to be a joke that Trump doesn't dare cross Pootie in any manner. Either he's a coward or is in Pootie's pocket. Either one is simply a damn shame for our country! yikes

    2. Readmikenow profile image97
      Readmikenowposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      So, now we know Russians organized anti-Trump rallies after his election.  I wonder why? ABC, CBS and other mainstream media colluded with the Russians?

      "Michael Moore attended an anti-Trump rally organized by Russian sources. Moore didn’t know that the sources were Russian, but no matter — according to the standards of the Left, this amounts to collusion,"

      https://www.dailywire.com/news/27343/co … n-shapiro#

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        If true, that's comical as heck!  But it can't be true - none of the liberal press has reported it although it is all over the web...

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Sure they reported it, you just missed it.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Link?  (It wasn't on NBC news tonight...)

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              I saw it on CNN. Google it yourself...

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                I did.  It wasn't there.  And it isn't worth my time to see if it came out hours after everyone else posted the story.

  8. Valeant profile image95
    Valeantposted 9 months ago

    https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13920924.jpg

    The state of things...

 
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