YouTube HQ Shooting

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   Jessie L Watsonposted 5 years ago

   There have been reports of another shooting in San Bruno, California. We'll skip the speculation for now. Am I the only one who sees this as an epidemic?
   
   At this point, I conjecture, that this problem is not at all a consequence of anything you could spout off in a Tweet. It is a very focused and virulent symptom of something rotting deep at the core of our society.

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      GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Jessie, I wonder if this shooting is part of an epidemic? That is a question to be answered, because it isn't posed because I know the answer, or because I know anything about the shooting in point.
      
      I have wondered this for other "social epidemic" problems of the last couple decades, or so. My wonder is; Are our current-day "instant" communications abilities making us see something that has always been happening, as something new?
      
      Thinking of two seemingly easy two understand motives; a disgruntled/fired employee shooting-up a workplace and, a spurned/angry relationship partner seeking blood retribution. I doubt anyone would think these are new motives for violence, or that such incidents haven't been happening since the beginning of time. And, I would further think that guns would have also been a weapon of choice in pre-internet/cell phone "instant communications" times.
      
      My point being, in earlier times, how long would it have been before an East Coast inhabitant would have heard the news about a West Coast incident? I also think that then, just as now, breaking and spectacular news will always headline, so ... is there the possibility that today's youTube shooting that the East Coast hears about while it's happening, could have been a page two story, (on the East Coast),  2, or 3, or even 7 days after the fact?
      
      It would be an interesting research project. Guns have always, (I suspect), been a weapon of choice for this type of violence. These two particular motive scenarios are not new, not a spawn of the Internet age. So, is this an epidemic, or are we just more aware of it now?
      
      I will offer the caveat that I am not dismissing the possibility, or even probability, that this "instant" news capability might also be a catalyst for more of these incidents - the epidemic you mention, but without the answers to those questions - I have to wonder.
      
      GA

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         Jessie L Watsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I'm inclined to agree.
         
         The medium is the message as far as I'm concerned. There is also the problem of notoriety as you mentioned. However, (you may know more about this than me), I don't find the frequency and style of these incidents to be characteristic of anything as far back as 20-30 years ago save for Columbine. (Although news coverage then was about as rapid as it is now. One major news channel could reach at least 3 million people at a time).
         
         I get the impression that this has become something of a pop phenomenon. People are willing to go to the greatest lengths to communicate something very dark. I happen to regard whatever that something is as real, because if it were just a delusion on part of a disgruntled citizen, then its less likely that people are going to emulate that within such a short span of time. That would also presume that people are suffering spontaneous delusions which is kind of a horrific thought.
         
         I will say that instant media also means instant conversation. I also can't help but think that the conversations that take place, their extremity, their divisiveness are part and parcel of a much broader problem. The same problem that we can't seem cipher among all these incidents.
         
         Lastly, there is a glaring irony here as well. A circumstantial one that I may entertain for a second. Today, April 3rd was their intended date for a new policy that would censor all pro-gun content across YouTube. Do with that information what you will. I think its reasonable to assume that the controversies surrounding YouTube played some part in this.

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         Don Wposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I think there is some mileage in the idea of violence being like an infectious disease. Public health professionals have been suggesting as much for decades. It was at the core of the CDC's efforts to research gun violence as public health issue.
         
         The additional awareness you mention as a causal factor for "social epidemic[s]" aligns with the idea of a disease vector in epidemiology. Of course only in an analogous sense, but is our relatively new-found ability to communicate 24/7, functionally the same as a new natural medium for a communicable disease? That would have many implications.

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            Jessie L Watsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            +1

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            GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Hi Don, I wouldn't have thought of it that way, but it does cover part of my point - the part I would have described as the "copy cat" phenomena. I think the infectious disease comparison is an apt one.
            
            The other part of my point was to wonder if this is really a new thing? I suspect that incidents like these have occurred all along , and it is just our instant access to knowledge about them that makes it seem like an epidemic.
            
            Perhaps our new communication capabilities are  turning these incidents into an epidemic?
            
            GA

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      what is ?

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   Shall we discuss the inability of mental health agencies , law enforcement communities , ATF background checks ,  the education system , FBI,  the military and all other enforcement agencies to communicate between themselves  or the fact that this shooting is higher profile than the daily gang shootings in Chicago , L.A.  Baltimore because it's at  U Tube headquarters ? Or that the news media today promotes divisiveness in our society to the point of inciting violence ?

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      GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Nah, Let's talk about the "ifs" and "whys,' not today's popular talking points.
      
      GA

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   Onusonusposted 5 years ago

   Impossible. Youtube HQ is a gun free zone.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   We are a civilized society. We should not be killing each other. If we continue to use pharmaceuticals to keep our members of society "sane," we do need to hide ALL guns, and bows and arrows, and home made bomb supplies, and knives and swords and rocks and sling shots and hatchets and hammers and frying pans and fingernails and fists and open hands and steel toed booted feet and martial arts teachers, and crystal globes and bowling balls … and cars and trucks …
   
   "Attacks with edged weapons are fairly frequent in the U.S. and that includes the use of swords and machetes. Knives are very common."
   Alcohol use triggers violence as well.
   
   http://mainemartialarts.com/self-defens … tatistics/
   https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-deadl … tial-art-1

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      Jessie L Watsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed, Kathryn.
      
      Alcohol is a huge contributor of violence and murder in this country. Nearly 50% of accidental deaths in this country are caused by alcohol. If someone gets murdered, then there is also a 50% chance that the person murdered was intoxicated and a 50% chance that the perpetrator was intoxicated.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   ... whats rotting deep at the core of society in East Timor?
   
   "...martial arts students became rivals and began killing each other in the streets as happened in 2006 during a violent political crisis that left dozens dead and tens of thousands displaced in the tiny half-island nation.
   
   "In many villages across East Timor, students start learning pencak silat at age 13 ….
   
   Prime Minister Xanana Gusmao issued a resolution outlawing the popular clubs two months ago. He said he has tried to work with the groups for years to allow them to continue to operate peacefully, but said the original purpose and philosophy of martial arts has been lost in East Timor.
   
   “I have no more mercy and no more patience,” said Gusmao, who added he has tried to work with the groups since becoming the country’s first president in 2002. “I cannot tolerate the situation anymore, and I cannot permit it anymore.”
   
   Gusmao said police and members of the military have been told to leave martial arts groups or be fired.
   
   Some clubs have publicly handed over their uniforms to police in front of government officials, but police say some members continue to conduct their training secretly at night."
   
   https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/asia/eas … lings.html

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   whats with this girl?
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Vi4YGMGkk
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OkhHUXWNJA

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   whats up with this boy?
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCzV6IolPXs

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   unjustified anger and self-righteous indignation for what? and why?
   It looks to me like kids who never had a childhood.
   Their natural joy crushed…
   by what?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   "In many villages across East Timor, students start learning pencak silat at age 13 …"

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    unhappy youth.
    (I consider 39 to be young. The average age for mass shooters is 35.)

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    The concluding paragraph of this article:
    "Finally, this discussion must lead to the importance of play. Play is an important part of childhood, and must not be hurried or transformed into work. In essence pure play is needed to reduce stress and experience joy. Adults must not turn play into work and must not teach children during their play period. In effect, play fosters creativity better than store bought toys. And self-expression is very important. In the final analysis, childhood is a significant part of life, and it should be both respected and valued. Children are entitled to their childhood and should not be hurried through this stage."
    
    http://drgailgross.com/parenting-famili … -children/

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       Jessie L Watsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       Yep. Proper socialization helps quite a bit too. You bring up some good points.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    "Ongoing research shows early-life use of Ritalin (methylphenidate) has complex effects that endure later into life. A study published in Biological Psychiatry suggests that exposure of Ritalin in youth may later disrupt development of brain cells in the hippocampus, region of the brain critical to memory, spatial navigation, and behavioral inhibition and resulting in memory problems, disorientation and depression in adulthood.
    
    Damage caused by Ritalin is the same as seen in Alzheimer's disease where the hippocampus is one of the first areas of the brain to suffer damage so memory problems and disorientation appear among the first symptoms."
    
    http://www.drugenquirer.com/side-effects/ritalin.html

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    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    While the left blames inanimate guns , This shooter is a deranged and disgruntled animal rights activist BUT the best part ;her family warned police about the possibility of this very shooting  ahead of time .

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    Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago

    Veganism itself should maybe be classified as a mental illness. When your empathy is focused on food animals instead of humans, you're not likely to behave very rationally towards your fellows.

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       Jessie L Watsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       Veganism is a strange ideology that can quickly become ecological extremism. Extremisms of any sort are mental.
       
       I can understand eating vegan if it's somehow good for your specific body (even though there are plenty of documented risks when eating that way), but when it starts to become a fundamentalist point of view, its a catastrophe. It's the same as regarding humans as having less value than animals. If you don't eat vegan, then you must regard animals as beneath you. I certainly don't treat animals that way.
       
       That's the hallmark of ideology. Completely reversing systems of value.

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          Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah. On Facebook I'm constantly advised that my manhood will no longer function for eating meat. Yep, that's never been a problem. Oh, and that I'll soon die of heart disease or cancer. And those outcomes would be better for the world because I eat animals.  Praise the earth mother every time a hunter dies in a hunting accident.
          
          *yawn
          
          Men in my family drink whiskey, smoke tobacco, eat mostly meat, and live past 90 very often. I'm not too sure I even want to live to 70, much less past 90.
          
          I hate vegans. It's like communism plus all sorts of other nonsensical Gaia beliefs. The earth mother, I guess, is going to reward the vegans for not eating non-fertilized eggs and honey. I'm having a steak tonight just because.

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             Jessie L Watsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

             Don't hate them. Just do your homework and come to conversation well prepared or don't entertain them at all.
             
             Nature doesn't give a damn about what we eat. If something kills us, nature will continue. If something kills other things, nature will still continue. We are just part of a more complex food chain.
             
             Not to mention all of the collateral damage caused by manufacturing vegan approved foods. Harvesting grain kills millions of bugs and often deer hiding out in the fields.
             
             Coffee and Chocolate are going extinct. We're mass consumers whether we eat meat or not. And this will have consequences.

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    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    One Headline ,   U- Tube Censuring Spills over to Violence
    
    Why are unhinged liberals marching and blaming the NRA for the U Tube shooting ?
    Can't they accept that its a left wing disgruntled Iranian woman who's been banned from U Tube apparently because they won't play her anti-American videos ?
    The News Media is being strangely quiet when it doesn't fit their white male teen , right wing extremist ,with an assault rifle agenda !

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       Jessie L Watsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       I haven't read up on any news reports since yesterday. I could've predicted the left doing this. These incidents always benefit someone. It's sick.

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          ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          If news media outlets are really dying , I wish they'd fall and get it over with , these fake and leftist agenda-ed , pick and chose media causes are forever muddying the waters .

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       Jessie L Watsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       I don't think we're talking about liberals anymore either. These are fanatical leftists who are pushing these narratives. I think CNN''s ratings dropped 30% a couple months back. So, we're definitely hearing the death throes. People are tired of being lectured by news anchors, actors, and children.

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          ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I couldn't agree more with you there .

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             Jessie L Watsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

             Ya. Its hard too because I genuinely believe most of these people are just plain wrong. Categorically wrong. But I don't want to be part of this enormous divide between Americans.
             
             Strangely enough, for the first time in my life, I've started paying attention to Fox news. They seem to be the only ones making sense any more. As demented as that is.

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                ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                If you  watch Fox you are at least hearing more , at least near truths, than elsewhere , I'm a news junkie watching at least a dozen news outlet's a day and it's shame how many  blind believers are out there for all the party untruths . I can spot them a mile away. I feel sort of bad for the youth and young adults . They've been thoroughly indoctrinated . But hey I learned the hard way , they can too.

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                   Jessie L Watsonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                   Yes exactly. This is what happens when you buttress common sense against something with no basis in reality. Our once perceived worst begins to look more reasonable.

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                      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      This is what happened to our news media ?
                      
                      
                      Are those real tears Wolf ?

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    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    As overall crime is on the decline  I'm sure the supreme court and most legislators take that all into consideration as we see them ignoring instant social media responses and popular opinion about new gun laws or old second amendment debates . But , one phenomenon that  America HAS  to wake up to is the fact that drug altered minds ,whether prescription or illicit , are taking over our society  . like it or not  prescription altered school agers are  a real problem . New age behavioral sciences will figure it out , shrink altered game boy zombies , illegally drugged young adults ,  a lack of a comprehensive mental health system , we've reached a saturation point of manageable mental illness' problems . Time to change tac , fix it or it'll only get worse.

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    Onusonusposted 5 years ago

    

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       ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       Well, that's their prerogative as elitist liberal anti constitutionalists isn't it ? Come on , they are special and deserve special treatment.

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