One a day is the average of mass shootings since 2014. What the hell!

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   tsmogposted 4 months ago

   Symptom or disease?
   
   
   Every mass shooting in the US – a visual database
   A normal day in the US involves a mass shooting. Here, we track the incidents since 2014
   by Alvin Chang
   
   It’s rare to go one day without a mass shooting in America.
   
   Since 2014 the US has averaged more than one mass shooting a day, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive. There is no official definition of “mass shooting”, but this database tracks incidents in which at least four people are shot or killed, not including the shooter.
   
   This list includes the high-profile incidents, such as the Parkland shooting, the Orlando shooting and the Atlanta shooting. But thousands of other mass shootings have come and gone like any other day.
   
   https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- … GTUS_email

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      Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Albert Einstein once said, “A person who has not made his great contribution to science before the age of 30 will never do so.”
      
      Another variant of that quote is "If a young scientist hadn't already gotten the outline of the brilliant intellectual breakthrough he will make, by age 25, it will never happen.  Testosterone and creativity are heavily correlated.  This is why inventions, philosophical and all other breakthroughs are concentrated in young men."
      
      Young men have always been the major force behind the economy, in hours worked, in production, trying and discovering new things, war, exploration, constructing, young men are the force that pushes society forward.  Always have been.
      
      The "Patriarchy" gave men purpose, a healthy society feeds young men stories of heroism, hard work and perseverance, ideals and role models, gives them apprenticeships with older men, gives them instruction through clubs (Boy Scouts, Sports teams) on how to achieve. Teaches them useful skills so they can be of benefit to society and marries them off young so they can (lead) be the head of their own household.
      
      Every society that has ever been exceptional has followed this model. There has been NO society that has ever thrived trying any other model.
      
      Our Modern society gives men no incentive, women have no interest in being married, those that do, are able to end it when it is convenient or benefits them to do so.   Jobs that went to men now go to women wherever possible, society tells men they are not needed, punishes them for being men in the courts and in the hiring process.   Our schools try to force boys to be like girls, when study after study shows they need to be able to be active, creative, and do not think or act at all like girls.
      
      For the first time since they started tracking such things, the majority of (Western) people at age 30 are single and childless.
      
      Large groups of sexually frustrated young men that have no purpose are an excellent predictor of increased violence, political and otherwise.
      
      Countries where arranged marriages are the norm is still the majority of the world, countries where women control the relationships through cultural and legal means are restricted almost exclusively to Western Nations.
      
      90% of college educated women's marriages end in divorce. 
      
      Only 6% of arranged marriages end in divorce.
      
      Marriage is the foundation of every society throughout known history, and in the modern (Westen) context there is absolutely NO incentive for a man to get married and plenty of incentive for him to avoid it, since he can lose everything.
      
      Modern society shames men for doing nothing wrong, rather for imagined crimes committed by their ancestors.
      
      Men look at the world today and feel no matter what they do, they are destined to fail, they have no way forward, no incentive for or thru marriage, and are denigrated by society.
      
      Men's role models are being destroyed, either in the movies by being replaced by women, in our courts, or in society by being shamed and judged as Toxic, Sexist, etc.
      
      Young men have nothing to lose in today's society... or more correctly, nothing to gain.  This is why we are seeing increasing acts of violence and mass shootings, eventually it will coalesce into numbers of young men that look to overturn society all together.
      
      Mass shootings in the U.S. are overwhelmingly committed by young men.
      Data shows: 98% of perpetrators are male.
      
      [EDIT]
      
      Thanks, Tsmog for posing this query.
      
      This is something that has been floating in the back of my mind for a while that I had never gotten around to looking into, its come up when we have talked about the Boyscouts being forced to being just Scouts, or Army Rangers being forced to accept and graduate a few women into their ranks, but this is the first time I really have gone off in search of statistics and historical references, sorry I didn't put the response together better.
      
      Additional recent reads:
      
      Young men, guns and the prefrontal cortex
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 … angry-men/
      
      Why Nearly All Mass Shooters Are Men
      https://www.npr.org/2021/03/27/98180315 … rs-are-men

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         Credence2posted 4 months agoin reply to this

         Most interesting Ken
         
         Another variant of that quote is "If a young scientist hadn't already gotten the outline of the brilliant intellectual breakthrough he will make, by age 25, it will never happen.  Testosterone and creativity are heavily correlated.  This is why inventions, philosophical and all other breakthroughs are concentrated in young men."
         
         I might take issue with that, wisdom and experience are variables and it belongs to older people.
         
         "The "Patriarchy" gave men purpose, a healthy society feeds young men stories of heroism, hard work and perseverance, ideals and role models, gives them apprenticeships with older men, gives them instruction through clubs (Boy Scouts, Sports teams) on how to achieve. Teaches them useful skills so they can be of benefit to society and marries them off young so they can (lead) be the head of their own household."
         
         Patriarchy implies the superiority of men over women. How does that play out if you are a woman trying to accomplish something in life? It is no different than White Supremacy, the idea of a bestowed preference based solely on the color of your skin. Under its purview I could not expect to rise beyond shining someone's shoes. A social convention system that works only for white men, is not going to work.
         
         "Marriage is the foundation of every society throughout known history, and in the modern (Westen) context there is absolutely NO incentive for a man to get married and plenty of incentive for him to avoid it, since he can lose everything."
         
         Throughout history is not today. I have agree with you on that point, that is
         true. If one can get over the ego of self replication and avoid sexual lures and snares, life can be infinitely simpler. It is always nice to find a compatible partner, but one must consider the cost, what are you willing to exchange for it. Is it worth it?
         
         Violence is no excuse, these young men either needs a psychiatrist's sofa or a jail cell. The expectations of old are gone and society hasn't time to pamper them in this new world.
         
         I attended the Air Force Academy Preparatory school prior to the institution admitting women. Is anybody willing to say that women could not become regular officers in the Air Force or be taught to fly fighter jet aircraft? I remember the bias associated with assumptions of white male dominance and superiority. They assumed that neither Blacks nor Japanese had the ability to fly fighter planes. Well, the Japanese air forces of December 7, 1941 and the Tuskegee Airman (black fighter pilots with untarnished records) put those assumed biases to rest, did they not?
         
         Just a thought or two.....

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            Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            That certainly could do with more proof.  But if you look back on people like Nikoli Tesla, Thomas Jefferson, Isaac Newton, Leonardo da Vinci, some of their most brilliant breakthroughs come from earlier in life... and not with wisdom late in life.
            
            The other part of this is the scientific component, how the mind is wired and how testosterone plays its part.  From Thales, Aristotle, and Plato to Einstein and George Gershwin, to Bach and Beethoven all were male.
            
            
            
            Interesting how you phrased that, my reply to it is at length in the other thread "Negro, please..." of yours... really, you had to title it that way?
            
            I feel like going to watch the series Luke Cage, or the movie Shaft.
            
            
            
            Violence is coming, of that you can be assured, history shows it always does when civilizations become this 'enlightened'.
            
            As the great Islamic philosopher of the fourteenth century Ibn Khaldun put it, the civilized become decadent with luxury. They lose their sharpness and think only of the good and the beautiful. And then some tribe of fierce Bedouin, smelling out weakness, come thundering in from the desert and storm the city. As barbarians, they do not understand the usages of civilization.
            
            It may look as if men are accepting of the fact that society has no use for them, that they are not needed, that women are superior and more capable of running society.
            
            These young men have no purpose, no future, no prospects... no family, no children, no hope.
            
            The pendulum swings... and it is going to swing back on America like it has never swung back on any civilization that we know of, I think it is going to make Rome's decay and collapse look mild in comparison to how fast and how turbulent our decline hits us.
            
            At least we have a front row seat and get to watch it unfold in front of us in the coming months/years.  I don't envy the young generation of men coming up today.

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               Credence2posted 4 months agoin reply to this

               "Negro please.." has a meaning recognized by our ethnic group, I should not have expected anyone else to appreciate its meaning.

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   Venkatachari Mposted 4 months ago

   It is an alarming situation that governments and authorities are indifferent towards such incidents. No drastic measures are being taken to control the use of weapons.

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      wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      "Symptom or disease?"
      
      What is far more alarming is that half (or more) of the population looks at only the symptom, not the disease, and then tries to cover it up.  Whereupon the disease simply manifests itself in a different manner, but with just as much harm.
      
      Until such time that we as a culture and people decide to attack the disease itself the symptom of violence against others will continue in one form or another.  Controlling the use of guns (we cannot possibly control all weapons, for that includes rocks thrown from an overpass) does absolutely nothing to address the disease of violence that has infected our culture.  It can only cover up just one symptom of that disease.

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         tsmogposted 4 months agoin reply to this

         Just a note, Venkatachari is from India. Yet, what you stated is very true. I am concerned as you, we have a disease that is like a cancer growing.
         
         Violent crime in general fell beginning with 1990, but is ascending again. Is it just cyclic? Are their similar circumstance or conditions that gave cause to the rise before 1990?
         
         Is Violent Crime Increasing? by Penn Arts & Sciences Dept. of Criminology
         https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/v … increasing
         
         For me, one of many questions remains, why is there a penchant to kill many and not the rage directed at just one?

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            wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Is violent crime (as in murder or mass murder) nothing more than an extension of crime in general, crime such as the mass shoplifting efforts currently being fought in major cities?
            
            Is it coming from a deep displeasure of society in general?
            
            Is it from being told, over and over, that no one is to blame for their personal plight?  Just anger being released at those that are viewed as responsible?
            
            I don't know what is causing the massive outbreak of violence and crime in our society, and no one seems to be trying to figure it out.  What I do know is that it is not caused by an inanimate object (a gun), and that removing all the guns in the country (impossible, but is certainly called for by idiots that think it can be done) isn't going to help either crime or violence.  Until the disease is isolated and dealt with both crime in general and violence will continue unabated, and if our only effort is to grab all the guns then another, probably worse, tool will be found and used.  There are certainly enough of them far worse than guns!

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   Ken Burgessposted 4 months ago

   Follow up... here are some comments I found from young men regarding our society today:
   
   "I’m currently in high school, and I can say that everything is going to Hell. Teachers have gotten mad at me in the past for drawing countryballs w/ weapons. I’m taking a Humanities-based pathway and the class is dominated by women who keep telling me to keep my mansplaining in check or get mad at me for expressing conservative/libertarian values. Most of my teachers are women of color who also get mad at me for expressing my opinions. I’m honestly done with this society. Major change is needed."
   
   "I am 16 and I truly hate this society i’m growing up in. Right is wrong and wrong is right. When I was in elementary school my friends were told that we can’t play war games, we weren’t even allowed to touch each other. School doesn’t teach you anything other than to submit to the government and “progress”. I hate all of this. I have a porn addiction and my alcoholism is getting worse and worse. I feel like I will never find a girl to love me and I’ll die alone in a fox hole fighting against people who are in my same predicament…. I just needed to vent about all of the bs going on in the modern world… I hate what’s happening and how it’s going…"
   
   "You can’t talk about a woman’s weight because that’s body shaming but you can make fun of a man’s height and everyone will laugh. That’s the hypocrisy of modern society"
   
   "The funny thing is that males get constantly told that we're worthless/ dumb and we're not worthy of love and emotional support.
   We keep our emotions in check and not open up then get told "we don't care about the women"
   
   We honestly can't win these days so more and more of us just connect with other men and support each other instead of seeking out romantic partners
   
   And to the argument about "men are more far-right" is a joke........most men don't constantly change their core beliefs like women do......
   I still consider myself  "Left Leaning" though the world around me, keeps screaming that im a far-right supremacist"
   
   "Also, yeah, my wife (married 5 years/together 7) just left me for literally no reason - we got along perfectly, we always talked about how strong our relationship was and how her friends were a little jealous and there was no argument or discussion or anything. She just sent a text while I was at work on a 12 hour shift at the sawmill and said we're done because she's been depressed and I haven't seen her since - and that was 6/19/23 (which was 2 days after my birthday and 8 days before our 5th wedding anniversary - perfect timing I guess - seems intended for maximum pain...) - we hadn't spent more than a couple days apart in those years we were together. " --- this poor guy wrote a book, this is just one of many paragraphs.
   
   They go on like this... thousands of them, on one youtube video regarding how men have no purpose today.

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 4 months ago

   Every 2nd Amendment fanatic is responsible.

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      wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      "fanatic" means anyone thinking that our Constitution is our highest law and not to be violated?

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      Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      If that was the problem, this would not be a relatively new phenomenon in society today.
      
      So what has changed in our society to make this such an issue?
      
      Well, I elaborated on that in my replies to Credence in this thread and in his "Negro please" thread.
      
      The problem simplified... these young men are growing up in a culture/society that tells them they are not needed, not wanted, they have no purpose, no direction, there is mass exposure to violence in movies, tv, social media... so many new issues that did not exist 25 years ago... has much to do with it.
      
      On a side note, to better understand where all this hardcore shift into Progressive Identity Politics agendas gets its ideas from I am now watching a lot of what some would consider "Far Left" material.
      
      TheDeprogram, FirstThought and SecondThought
      
      If you are new to Marxism-Leninism, these are like current-day study guides on who to hate and why in America.
      
      Almost by default, if you reject these extremist views and do not agree with them you are going to be labeled "Fascist" or "Right Wing".
      
      I can see now why Trump is growing in popularity again, and is pulling in growing numbers of Black and Hispanic male voters that wouldn't have considered him back in 2016.  The Biden Administration has pushed so many things that your typical moderate, middle of the road American is not comfortable with, in addition to a harsh economic climate.

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   durrat aladhamposted 4 months ago

   im heartroken to hear this
   تسربات المياه بالرياض
   thanks for sharing your thoughts

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 4 months ago

   I'm so done making excuses and tolerating them. This is a problem with a solution. If you don't agree, fine. Just don't get in the way of the rest of us solving it. Background checks, national registration, waiting periods, ban assault weapons.

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      wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      None of which will do anything to stop or slow the violence we're seeing in our country.  At best it will push killers to a different weapon (IF the efforts work at all), perhaps a much more deadly one.  Attacking the preferred weapon is an exercise in futility; we must figure out why the violence and take steps to stop that, not just take away (as if we could) the inanimate object used by killers.
      
      I'm with you; there IS a solution.  But spinning our wheels pretending that killers won't kill if we just violate the second amendment is not it, anymore than making drugs illegal has stopped the number of people dying from drug overdose.

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         Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

         The goal is not to address the social problems that are the cause of this.
         
         In 1963, 60 years ago, young people had more access to rifles and pistols than they do today.
         
         Weapons do not commit crimes, those who use them do. 
         
         I believe there should be restrictions on who can possess weapons.  The ability to purchase them should require certain levels of social trust, much in the way the ability to pass a background check for a Security License or Conceal Carry License.
         
         The problem of course is criminals have a tendency not to follow the law, and this is where the problem truly lies... the young men who decide to commit these atrocities, their numbers are increasing and it is a systemic problem.

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            Kathleen Cochranposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            "Weapons do not commit crimes, those who use them do. "  Absolutely. Let's do something to make it harder for them.

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            tsmogposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Agreed with a lot of what was pointed out. It always gets me nobody points out the fact that guns are convenient. For instance they are the go-to method for suicide.
            
            "More use a firearm (52%) than every other method combined. Suffocation (mostly hanging) accounts for 23%, poisoning/overdose for 18%, jumps 2%, cuts 2%, and other 4%."
            https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matt … facts/how/
            
            Number of robberies in the United States in 2022, by weapon used
            https://www.statista.com/statistics/251 … by-weapon/
            
            I support the second amendment, so no need to go there. I just think the fact that guns are convenient should not be left out of the magic formula.

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