Trump says he doesn't think Cohen will "flip'

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  1. PrettyPanther profile image81
    PrettyPantherposted 22 months ago

    "President Donald Trump said Saturday that he doesn’t expect Michael Cohen, his longtime personal lawyer and fixer, to “flip” as the government investigates Cohen’s business dealings.

    Trump, in a series of tweets, accused The New York Times and one of its reporters of “going out of their way to destroy Michael Cohen and his relationship with me in the hope that he will ‘flip'” — a term that can mean cooperating with the government in exchange for leniency.

    “Most people will flip if the Government lets them out of trouble,” even if “it means lying or making up stories,” Trump said, before adding: “Sorry, I don’t see Michael doing that despite the horrible Witch Hunt and the dishonest media!”


    By speculating that Cohen won't "flip," is Trump tacitly admitting there are criminal activities that could be exposed by Cohen, his personal attorney? Why even speculate, if there is no basis for Cohen to "flip"?

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/t … -will-flip

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      So far the only criminal activities I've seen are activities that had little to nothing to do with the election or the stated purpose of the investigation.  Given that, and given that "flip" includes "even if “it means lying or making up stories" the answer should be obvious.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image81
        PrettyPantherposted 22 months agoin reply to this

        I'm pretty sure any info provided by Cohen for the purpose of receiving a reduced sentence would have to be verified for truth and accuracy. I'm pretty sure even Cohen, who doesn't appear to be the brightest or most competent lawyer, is aware that "lying or making up stories"  would not only be fruitless but detrimental to his future.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 22 months agoin reply to this

          Why?  There is not, as far as we know, anything found by that investigation to date, but it certainly hasn't stopped the claims of Trump/Russia collaboration.  It hasn't even dented it.

          Personally I'm not a fan of playing games with the legal system by promising immunity for ratting bigger game (like the President of the United States) out, but even setting that aside it is no better when the purpose is political embarrassment rather than finding criminals.  Nobody is going to jail, or even get a fine, for collaboration - it's long past time to quit changing the focus in order to get political points from something

          We've seen govt. agencies grossly abused in the past (J Edgar) and heard rumors of others (Clinton and the IRS).  We're now seeing it happen all over, and for no more reason than political games.  IMO.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image81
            PrettyPantherposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            I continue to be amused and fascinated by those who make unequivocal pronouncements about what the investigation has not found. Given that the investigation has not concluded, one cannot possibly know what has not been found. One can only know what has been revealed so far.

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 22 months agoin reply to this

              "There is not, as far as we know, anything found by that investigation to date..."

              That's what you call "unequivocal"?  We must have very different definitions of that term.  Or, given the statement that "One can only know what has been revealed so far.", perhaps you didn't see it.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image81
                PrettyPantherposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                Fair enough. I think it was this statement that felt unequivocal. "Nobody is going to jail, or even get a fine, for collaboration - it's long past time to quit changing the focus in order to get political points from something. "

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                  Admittedly that one is opinion, and admittedly Trump doesn't have Bill to cover for him or have the hooks into hundreds of politicians like Hillary did.  Nevertheless, that is my prediction; that Trump is not going to jail or get any fine.  Some of the lesser people in the administration might...but not for what the investigation was supposed to be looking for.

                  It's like giving the cops an open search warrant for anything the might find by tearing an apartment house apart board by board as well as putting 24 hour surveillance on all the residents.  They WILL find something that someone in the building could be indicted for, and that's exactly what we're seeing.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image81
                    PrettyPantherposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                    "They WILL find something that someone in the building could be indicted for, and that's exactly what we're seeing."

                    They will find something ONLY. if those being investigated are criminals. If they're not, then they have nothing to worry about. Trump does not act like an innocent man with nothing to hide.

                    And remember, all search warrants have been properly and legally obtained, which means sufficient evidence of criminal activity already exists..

          2. ptosis profile image64
            ptosisposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            The warrants relate to a criminal investigation into allegations that Cohen may have committed bank fraud, wire fraud, and campaign-finance violations stemming from a hush payment to Stormy Daniels.

            "I've been an FBI special agent for 20 years and have only seen a handful of searches executed on attorneys. All of those attorneys went to prison.” - Josh Campbell

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            1. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
              JAKE Earthshineposted 22 months agoin reply to this

              Big bags, frightened appearance, probably no sleep: He looks broken and terrified just like Donald and from what we've seen and heard so far from the media, it's absolutely justified:

              He'll flip faster than a dolphin at sea world once charges are filed and it looks like he faces decades of imprisonment without his wife and children at his side and given his and Donny's dubious past in New York, we can only imagine what his files will reveal after that rare raid on his properties:

              While he's still free, he should take a stroll through sing sing state correctional facility in New York just to get a little taste of the lovely surroundings and quality of human companionship he'll be privileged to mingle with if he chooses to go to prison for a megalomaniac who could care less about him:

      2. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
        JAKE Earthshineposted 22 months agoin reply to this

        Apparently, the stunning Cohen raid was not related to the Mueller criminal investigation of Trump which has already yielded 19 indictments and several co-operating witnesses, that's why is was referred to a New York division of the FBI and appurtenant federal prosecutors:  You know, the same FBI which Donny has been unrelentingly undermining and degrading for about 2 years now while praising his lover pal Vladimir Putin:

        Spanky is cooked one way or another, his time in the oval office is winding down thank God and yes, sloppy Michael Cohen will absolutely flip when facing 30+ years in a federal prison which is essentially a life term for a soft, weak, unintelligent person like him: The question is, how many Cohen / Trump crimes are tucked between all those computer hard drives, discs and cell phone records:

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    ahorsebackposted 22 months ago

    Personally , I don't understand why the news media in the U.S. thinks its readership is so stupid as to believe they can indoctrinate the american voter  towards the destructive agenda of liberal media .  It  seems all about the direction of the youth voter , granted the Obama election phenomenon  worked once , how many times do they think they can control an election outcome.

    Without  harnessing that youthful , uninformed  idealism  the boringness of all elections and politics in general returns to its former self. That  Obama , Kennedy , Sanders fads can only happen in the right generational atmosphere , without  P.C. its all business as usual.  Thankfully.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image81
      PrettyPantherposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Not relevant to the topic.

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        ahorsebackposted 22 months agoin reply to this

        Of course it is !   Without the left bias of media  and especially the corruption of our federal offices , there would be NO Cohen investigation .  Flip Cohen ," ....you mean like flipping a burger or something ......[Clinton ]" , likely Cohen is where he is simply because he knows Trump  , because an obstructionist atty. , a liberal activist judge and the media allow such travesties to legally move forwards.

        We all know that , one more cast of the fishing pole .

        1. PrettyPanther profile image81
          PrettyPantherposted 22 months agoin reply to this

          The topic is whether or not Trump is implying there are illegal activities that Cohen could divulge in order to "flip."

          Do you have any comment on that?

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
            JAKE Earthshineposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            There absolutely must be illegal activities tucked away in Cohen's secret files and everyone knows it: Why else would Spanky be acting so guilty, sending 'pardon' signals to his criminal friends and associates, appeasing Vladimir Putin and spending all our time in an angry unhinged rage on twitter in between golfing and cheeseburgers binges instead of trying to pull the USA out of the collapsing financial and immoral mess he caused before he's removed?

            1. PrettyPanther profile image81
              PrettyPantherposted 22 months agoin reply to this

              Your speculation seems quite reasonable to me. Trump, from the beginning, has not acted like an innocent man. If he is innocent, then he must be the stupidest man on the planet, to make so many statements and so many moves that only serve to make himself appear guilty.

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    ahorsebackposted 22 months ago

    All of the Russia -collusion failures , The Clinton excuse tours , the Special Councils , all the high powered attorneys , the Muellers , McCabes , Lynches , Comey , All the Stormy's in the world and Mueller can't even give Trump a speeding ticket ? To quote one of the far left here ,
    " .....somebody's getting all Butt Hurt over this ......"
    Well yea , the entire left-stream media is in full melt down  phaze !

    Oh and more than a few here .





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    1. PrettyPanther profile image81
      PrettyPantherposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Do you have any comment on whether Trump is implying there are illegal activities that Cohen could divulge in order to "flip"?

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        ahorsebackposted 22 months agoin reply to this

        Whether Cohen flips or not about something , invented or real , is entirely separate from the fact that "justice " all too often is but an ideologically agendaed fishing expedition , that alone is what this is . How hard is it to find attorneys willing to take a paycheck ?   A activist judge to sign on and open an investigation ? The media to jump at the meal like the very piranhas that they are  ?
        And the sheeples to jump into the fray ?

        1. PrettyPanther profile image81
          PrettyPantherposted 22 months agoin reply to this

          Are you saying that even  if Cohen flips on something "real" you will still believe the investigation is nothing but a fishing expedition?

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            ahorsebackposted 22 months agoin reply to this

            Yes , look at how many people have been gouged by the left ,who's mission  is simply the Alinskyism obstruction subject of the day.
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            1. PrettyPanther profile image81
              PrettyPantherposted 22 months agoin reply to this

              You're not making any sense. Again. Are you okay?

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                ahorsebackposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                I'm simply pointing out the Cohen inquest of nothing- for nothing -created by nothing .  What do you have to date , from the beginning of Russia -Trump  collusion you've shown a big fat nothing burger   but there's something wrong with me ? Really ?
                Time to get a grip on the Trump deranged segment of your party I think .

                Oh yea  I forgot the party crashing Stormy .

                1. PrettyPanther profile image81
                  PrettyPantherposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                  Eh. You say 19 indictments/guilty pleas is nothing. And since the
                  investigation is not over, to say there will be nothing is rather presumptuous

                  That other post still doesn't make sense, though.

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                    ahorsebackposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                    Pretty Panther ,Not real tough to figure out "fishing expedition " is it ?
                    So Trumps been arrested 19 times now AND plead guilty?
                    See my point ?

                  2. GA Anderson profile image92
                    GA Andersonposted 22 months agoin reply to this

                    I think Jake might be rubbing off on you PrettyPanther. "... 19 indictments/guilty pleas ..."

                    Considering the context is the Mueller Trump-Russian Collusion investigation. Do you really think that statement is applicable as indications of Mueller's success?

                    Granted, they are indictments/pleas of crimes, (or suspected crimes), but so far, (and I emphasize "so far"), none are indictments or pleas relating to the collusion charges that were the impetus for the investigation - yet that impressive "19" number is proclaimed as proof of Mueller's success. I don't see it that way. And I think your continued use of that magic 19 as validation for the Mueller investigation is a bit of a "tell" - as in falling under the "Jake" spell.

                    Here is a Vox link that details that magic "19" number: (which you have probably already seen in your research of those 19 indictments to be sure they validated your point)
                    All of Robert Mueller’s indictments and plea deals in the Russia investigation so far

                    Here are a couple blurbs interspersed with the list of charges explanations:

                    "None of the charges against Americans or Trump advisers so far have directly alleged that they worked with Russia to interfere with the campaign."

                    "Paul Manafort and Rick Gates were hit with tax, money laundering and other charges that relate to their work for the government of Ukraine and a Russia-affiliated Ukrainian political party."
                    *My note: these was pre-Trump non-collusion-related activities.

                    "Other reported focuses of Mueller’s investigation — such as the hacking and leaking of prominent Democrats’ emails and potential obstruction of justice by the Trump administration — have not resulted in any indictments yet."

                    "So far, no Trump associates have been specifically charged with any crimes relating to helping Russia interfere with the 2016 election."

                    "... But we haven’t seen the fruits of their cooperation just yet."

                    "No Americans have been charged with being witting participants in this Russian election interference effort. "


                    So, if the Vox information has any credence - and it is corroborated by other articles concerning the "19" indictments, then what you have are indictments of crimes that were either pre-Trump and unrelated to Trump, or crimes of lying - with no information yet what that lying is hiding.

                    Do you really feel use the of that Magic 19  "fact" bolsters your argument?

                    GA

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    ahorsebackposted 22 months ago

    The point you're all missing is this , So what if Cohen "flips "....... , Comey "flipped" , McCabe "flipped ,  Strok "flipped " ,  in fact CNN has flipped ,  ABC" flipped ",  just how pertinent to the reality of Trumps fairly incredible political progress is" flipping" , I mean even Sal Alinsky is flipping at this point ?

    Yes, you've all flipped , truth of the matter is all of the resistance to Trump is obviously  immature ,  phony gender  outrage ,  race baiters where there is no racism ,  legal ignorance by the masses of obstruction , where does the "flipping" end and the mature discussion about what REAL progress is begin .

    So far I've seen nothing here that resembles a political dialog ,   simply a bunch of touchy feely, rather sophomoric brainflushes . While Trump changes the political course study daily , resisters here flip a rather superficial emoting understanding of HOW politics really works anyway ,

    Question should have been , How does it feel to follow the bouncing Trump ball ?

    1. PrettyPanther profile image81
      PrettyPantherposted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Do you consider this post, or any post of yours on this thread for that matter, to qualify as "political dialogue"?

  5. IslandBites profile image88
    IslandBitesposted 21 months ago

    Evgeny Freidman, a long-time business partner of President Donald Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen, has agreed to cooperate with federal and state prosecutors

    Freidman was arrested last June on charges that he and another business partner stole more than $5 million in state surcharges that are imposed on taxi rides in New York City.

    But the amount of taxes he pleaded guilty to evading was much less than that, just $50,000.

    Both the timing and the circumstances are key. Freidman faced allegations that he failed to pay $5 million in taxes, including four counts of tax fraud and one of grand larceny. As part of the deal, he will serve no jail time. That suggests that he has been able to provide information of some value when it comes to Cohen, who is widely seen as a target for prosecutors to, in turn, flip against Trump.

    (Maybe that's why Trumpo is so unhinged these days?)

    1. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
      JAKE Earthshineposted 21 months agoin reply to this

      Nothing less than another huge enormously detrimental development for Mr. Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen:and perhaps Donny himself: I guess this is just one of many stunning reports that have Mr. Trump in unhinged twitter meltdown mode, cying, whining and moaning all day long in an angry stupor on the twit box while 'Batty ' Rudy undercuts him on national television: UNREAL

      We can only imagine the extent of damning evidence Mr. Freidman is prepared to divulge to prosecutors for such favorable treatment: A fine reduction of 5 million to 50K and zero prison time down from 100 years in exchange for testimony against we presume Cohen and perhaps Donny:

      Startling development and they just keep on coming:

      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/22/nyre … ation.html

  6. IslandBites profile image88
    IslandBitesposted 19 months ago

    Cohen says his loyalty is first to family and country

    "I don't agree with those who demonize or vilify the FBI. I respect the FBI as an institution, as well as their agents," Cohen said. "When they searched my hotel room and my home, it was obviously upsetting to me and my family. Nonetheless, the agents were respectful, courteous and professional. I thanked them for their service and as they left, we shook hands."

    Cohen also pushed back at the President's recent tweet repeating Russian President Vladimir Putin's claim that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election, as well.
    "Simply accepting the denial of Mr. Putin is unsustainable," he said.

    Trump's longtime lawyer previously said he acted on his own volition in paying Daniels and that he did not plan on repayment from Trump. But in his new interview with ABC News, he held back.
    "I want to answer. One day I will answer," he told Stephanopoulos. "But for now, I can't comment further on advice of my counsel."

    Asked about how he would respond to Trump's legal defense attempting to discredit his work, Cohen said that he wouldn't be "a punching bag."
    "I am not a villain of this story, and I will not allow others to try to depict me that way," he added.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      Cohen seems to be playing both sides against the middle in the interview. Hoping Trump will pardon him versus playing well with the investigators. He seems to be in a no-win situation.

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    ahorsebackposted 19 months ago

    Anyone ever arrested , indicted , threatened or otherwise "legally "
      used as a pawn for the obstruction of one political party BY another political party , including by the ideological opposition within the FBI   and /or DOJ , is going to eventually give in to the pressures .

    -Does that make these acts  "right "? 
    -Doe it make it legal ?
    -Does it make these obstructions legitimate ?

    No, It makes them political.

 
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