There are quite a few stories in the news about police being called on others for interesting reasons.
1. Yale student called police on a student who was sleeping in the common area.
2. Same Yale student called police on another student several months ago because another student was asking for directions in a secured Yale building.
3. Neighbhor called police on group leaving Rialto Airbnb because they wouldn't wave at her as they left.
4. Starbucks employee called police because 2 people were seated and did not order anything.
There are times when people pose a legitimate threat. What criteria are important to keep one safe?
I wonder how many of those calls to police are simply people mad at the people they are calling about.
I get your underlying point about racism, and I don't mean to dispute it. But I also read those articles and end up with questions that the articles don't answer.
I deliberately avoided racism because I didn't want the thread to turn into a discussion about racism. But you are correct in that I have been following tweets, news stories and FB posts on police calls.
I just think about the time a hostile neighbor called the police on us because our daughter parked her car in the street. The neighbor claimed it was an "abandoned vehicle". She did it after I politely asked her to stop expanding her plant beds several feet into our narrow yard.
Again, I'm not disputing racial motivations. But there may be times when other causes are at work.
This is true. Many people file protective orders against other people, wasting the courts time.
Did he police come? Was the car towed? How did it turn out? I would think police run the plates and see that you/your daughter owns the car. That takes time. Should your neighbor get a ticket for wasting the police's time?
How should this have been handled?
People who make the kinds of calls you talk about in your opening comment should be subject to fine if the call has no real basis outside of personal or racist vendettas.
I am allfor body cams and dashboard cams to monitor interaction between police and civilians. Everyone in an official capacity should be subject to oversight and surveillance. The fact that they are aware of this is an added incentive to behave appropriately at all times.
Otherwise things can and will get touchy and you can bet that I am of the litigious sort that will hold errant people responsible in the case as malice of forethought as the reasons for making these "calls".
I agree with you Cred!
How does a person know when to call the police on someone else?
Diane, it seems some people are more prone to feeling unsafe than others. Some are naturally "nervous nellies" to steal a phrase someone already used here.
Here in our small town, we have a Facebook neighborhood watch group. I am often astounded by what some people will report on this page and how often people will say "Call the police!" For example, one woman recently posted, "There is a man in a hoodie walking down Oak Street. I've never seen him before. Be careful!" One of the replies was "Call the police! Better safe than sorry. " Huh? A man you don't know is walking on your street and that warrants a call to the police? This is a free country, isn't it?
Another one: "There is a homeless man picking up empty cans in the park." Someone recommended calling the police. Why?
I find these types of people highly disturbing and I often wonder how our police handle these calls. I hope they discourage them.
Thank you Pretty! Those are two examples of the type of situation s I'm talking about. One day I walked into Ross Dress 4 Less. I was in shoe department about 5 minutes before an employee came to ask if she could help me. This is unheard of in Ross. I thought of how I was dressed:. Large hat covering my face and floor length caftan. Admittedly I looked torn up. At least she didn't call the police.
Yep, yessiree, betchabootie ... you nailed it right from the start PrettyPanther: "... Facebook neighborhood watch group ..."
I think each of the examples you listed were just redundant expressions of that facebook quote. (not criticizing that you listed them, just agreeing with you that the quote says it all - by my way of thinking).
And I bet our buddy Wilderness would chime in if I mention that I think your examples are also a sign of our loss of a sense of personal responsibility. Everybody is a (potential) victim, quick call the cops - it's their job!
I don't know, Diane, maybe my initial response was a bit rash.
There is a place for the Mrs Kravitz, nosy neighbor type in every neighborhood. We are grateful that they are there.
But, I don't like the idea that my very existence and activities under conditions commonly taken by others warrant a call to the police.
Most of OUR folks are hypersensitive to this type of thing as it has too often to led to abuse by fellow citizens and law enforcement. I will admit that.
I find the fact that one is innocent until proven guilty a splendid concept in American law, now if people would apply this in their personal relationships with others as a common courtesy, I would not need to present draconian remedies.
The Starbucks thing is a case in point. If the CEO says that the incident in Philadelphia in an example of a systemic problem, that is good enough for me. Who can claim to know more about his company than the man in charge?
As I alluded to earlier, this is an instance where sitting down and not buying something was acceptable behavior by anyone else in the establishment, why did it rise to the level of police involvement here? Obviously, the CEO of Starbucks did not like the answers or explanations given.
I haven't heard anything different from what is reported by mainstream media and acknowledged by Starbucks management. I'm trying to figure outo where I'm supposed to get the facts.
Trayvon Martin was demonized. Even after we found out what a slime ball George Zimmerman was, he excuse was he was traumatized.
I've purposely not mentioned race because I want to understand other people's thinking. I think Promise (or Wilderness) mentioned people talking to each more. Starbuck's employee should have asked if they were waiting for someone if he/she were really concerned. George Zimmerman, a man with a gun, could have asked Trayvon Martin if he was visiting the complex. The Yale student could have awakened the girl and said, "You are going to get in trouble. You can't sleep here." Same Yale student, several months ago, called the police on the sleeper's friend who was in the building looking for her. He was lost and asked Yale student for directions.
Again, what criteria do people use to determine that someone is a threat?
I have a strong tolerance for diversity and people being different. I don't make problems for people without just cause. But, that is just me. If I sat on my front porch and saw a man in the street with brandishing firearm, that crosses the line.
I would let a sheet wearing KKK types walk my streets and chant as long as it does not go into night hours where it can be said that he or she is disturbing the peace.
As long as there is no physical assault problems and they keep their banners, regalia and such off of my property, I have no reason to call the police because as a Progressive I respect the concept of freedom of speech, even if it is unpleasant.
When I speak of "common courtesy" that is not race specific but a general principle. Under that philosophy, why would I detain or harass a teen age boy without any justification? Again, it goes to the idea that YOU are not supposed to be in certain areas under certain circumstances without explanation.
Zimmerman was one of those insecure trigger happy losers looking for excuse to murder to prop up his pathetic manhood that he was hiding behind the barrel of a gun. So, there is no excuse there.
We had a neighbor, labeled "I spy.". Nosiest guy ever. He could be a witness if necessary but never called the police on anyone. A guy hit me with a rock and narrowly missed my eye. My dad went to talk to the parents. He never called the police. I'm not saying they should never be called. There is a spectrum over which people should make intelligent choices.
There are doubtless some "nervious nellies" out there that call on insufficient cause. At the same time WE need to be careful in accepting a "reason" from one that didn't make the call: the incident at Starbucks was not because they didn't buy anything. It was because they refused to leave and I highly doubt that the call said anything at all about not buying. This kind of thing is all too common; he was shot for trying to sell a single cigarette when the truth was he was shot for resisting arrest.
"I have two gentlemen in my cafe that are refusing to make a purchase or leave."
And the culture at Starbucks is a social meeting place. They have wifi and encourage people to come in to meet others. Last year, I met someone there for a presentation on prepaid legal. Neither of us purchased anything. She brought a container of strawberries. She showed me a sales presentation on prepaid legal. No one asked us anything. We left. No problem!
Interesting Wilderness! Perception plays a very important role in this.
Starbucks - I read and heard that one of them asked to use the restroom key. The person working there would not let them use the key because they were not buying anything. What would be the purpose for asking them to leave?
Eric, cigarette seller - I purposely did not include this one because perception is influenced by our experiences. I feel he was wrong for selling cigarettes. Resisting - I don't know. I'd like to stay away from this one. This is not a ciizen feeling "unsafe" by someone else's presence.
Didn't mean the cigarette thing meant someone felt unsafe. But the claim was that he was shot for selling cigarettes and that had nothing to do with why the trigger was pulled. In other words, do not accept the word of the arrested person, or even a bystander with an iron in the fire, as to why the arrest was made.
Like the sleeping Yale student. Every media report I read (at least a half dozen) made sure to say it was a white student calling the cops on a black student. Obvious inference was that it was a racial thing and yet not a thing said ever mentioned race. She was not questioned because of race or because anyone was "afraid" - she was questioned because she was violating the rules in a manner that suggested homlessness.
The cigarette thing doesn't fit into this conversation. My question is with regard to one person calling the police on another because they feel unsafe. What makes them feel unsafe?
If we get into Eric Garner and others that don't fit within this category, we will devolve into racial biases.
Most of us have not met each other in person. Would we be intimidated by each other if we were to see each other on the street? Should the police believe a caller, arrest someone based on that person's word and let the judge figure it out?
BTW they were in a secured building that requires you slide your id to enter the building. Would it have been better to say, "Hi! My name is Jane! I'm majoring in rocket science. I haven't seen you around here before. Welcome! What is your major?"
Dianne, that tale is what I'm talking about. I'll try just one more time and drop it.
There is no indication that the Yale student called security because she perceived a threat, at least that I've seen. She called the cops because a stranger was using the room as a bedroom, which is against the rules there. Perhaps she thought they were homeless, perhaps she's just a stickler for rules, but nothing I've seen indicated she was afraid of anything.
But the perception being given is that she called because she was afraid of a sleeping black girl, or maybe just any black girl. That does not seem true at all: someone other than the one calling is giving that impression. Someone other than the cop that pulled the trigger is saying why the cigarette man was shot. Someone other than the Starbucks manager is saying why they were arrested.
All I'm saying is that the reports we get from media, both mainstream and social, make calls that they should not be making and that it is up to us to discern why police are called. It isn't always because someone is afraid.
If the student was asleep, the house manager should have been called if anything Where did you hear that it was against the rules to sleep in the common area? I just Googled and saw nothing about that on any thing I saw.
The police should not be involved in breaking rules on campus unless it is a crime. I would have loved to call the police many times on students that were out of control at my school
If you notice, I haven't mentioned color because I would like to see that excluded if there is another plausible explanation.
There is protocol to follow. Report it to the house manager..
As I understand it the cops were never involved. Just campus security. But wasn't it a library or some such? A study room, maybe? Is there a "house manager" even there?
I only mention color because that is what is being insinuated by media: again, what we're hearing is different than fact, which is the entire point.
W: As I understand it the cops were never involved. Just campus security.
Response - headline from one writer
A black Yale graduate student took a nap in her dorm's common room. So a white student called police (writer Brandon Griggs)
A black Yale student fell asleep in her dorm’s common room. A white student called police. (writer Cleve R. Wootson)
Yale student who called police on black student napping in common room has history of calling cops
Many writers covered it but all said she called the police (Writer Pauline Dedaj - Fox News)
Exchange between her and the police (not security)
“I deserve to be here. I pay tuition like everybody else,” an annoyed Siyonbola told responding officers after they repeatedly asked her to hand over identification. “I’m not going to justify my existence here.”
It was part of a tense, racially tinged exchange that the African Studies student had this week with four police officers and the graduate student who called 911 after she found Siyonbola napping in the Hall of Graduate Studies’ 12th-floor common room.
Wilderness: But wasn't it a library or some such? A study room, maybe? Is there a "house manager" even there?
The officers who responded to Monday’s call interviewed Braasch as well and informed her that Siyonbola had every right to be in the common room, Yale Vice President for Student Life Kimberly Goff-Crews said on Thursday.
Lynn Cooley, the dean of Yale's graduate school of arts and sciences, sent an email to graduate students Tuesday telling them that Siyonbola had every right to be in the building.
My comment: Common areas are just that - space that everyone in the building is able to use as: study room, break room, game room, use microwave/kitchen facilities, sleep if you want to.
Fox News article - highlly recommended!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/10/ya … -cops.html
Wilderness: I only mention color because that is what is being insinuated by media: again, what we're hearing is different than fact, which is the entire point.
Me: Whatever the fact is, I haven't seen it. The Fox News writer didn't report it. Where will we find the fact?
Notice that police questioned the sleeper for about 20 minutes, trying to verify her ID and that she "belonged" there. Why didn't they question the snitch about why she called in the first place.
ID - The student appears to be African and has a long rhythmic name. Her ID has an abbreviated form of her name. This is common for people from other countries that have complicated names.
Doubt - Doubting that this actually happened this way supports the narrative that Black people are presumed to be wrong/at fault whenever the police are called in. Regardless of all reporting, some believe that there is something that happened prior to what is shown. The Black person had to have done something.
Tamir Rice had a toy gun. People said it was his fault. He should have followed instructions.
Novel item: Why not STOP making guns that look real. Paint them pink or kelly green. Do kids really need to play with fake guns?
Now you are cooking with gas, do you hear the crickets as to an explanation for why the student was harassed and the one who made the call was hardly addressed as to why she believed that this was a matter for the police?
I am not going to expect a great deal of rational behavior from a 13 year old boy, responsible and thoughtful law enforcement would have addressed the matter more professionally.
Conservatives are irritated with me for bringing race into everything? Well I ask them, with America sordid history on this topic, why do they spend so much time mindlesslessly denying that it plays a role in what transpires far too often?
"Doubt - Doubting that this actually happened this way supports the narrative that Black people are presumed to be wrong/at fault whenever the police are called in. "
LOL She was in the wrong. Are you presuming that melanin in the skin means that person is right even when doing wrong?
(My daughter-in-law has a pink pistol, and it is no toy but the same weapon carried by husband, just colored pink.)
Sleeping where sleeping is prohibited. Surely you caught that - that the room was a "no sleeping" location and the dorm/school didn't want it full of kids that simply crashed there instead of going to their rooms?
"It was part of a tense, racially tinged exchange that the African Studies student had this week with four police officers and the graduate student who called 911 after she found Siyonbola napping in the Hall of Graduate Studies’ 12th-floor common room."
This is what I am commenting on: the only indication of any racism was that being presented by the reporter(s). Not the student making the call, not the Dean, not security. Only the media, and it is being picked up by readers (it's pretty obvious - just as your sources say, every report makes sure to make the point that a white student called the cops on a black one) as being racially motivated.
Exactly like a person seeing a threat that just isn't there, and proceeding to turn it into something it never was. "I see a hoodie on that person: they are going to attack me!". That person is looking at the houses on the street - they are casing the place for a robbery!" "That person is walking on a public sidewalk - they are up to no good!" "That person paused by a car and looked it over - they are going to steal it!"
"I better report this obvious and apparent crime in progress!"
"This is what I am commenting on: the only indication of any racism was that being presented by the reporter(s). Not the student making the call, not the Dean, not security. Only the media, and it is being picked up by readers (it's pretty obvious - just as your sources say, every one makes sure to make the point that a white student called the cops on a black one) as being racially motivated."
I see your point, but it had been mentioned in the Fox article that she had done it before in a similar way.
You mean that the media not only found that a white kid reporting a black was racist, but that she had done it twice! The horrors: that a white kid found fault with another student twice and both times they were black! Has to be racism - no way around it. It is not possible that there is even one, let alone two black students at Yale that feel the rules don't apply to them.
It may have been racially motivated, it may not, but the only racism being actually exhibited is by those people that declare any time a white person finds fault with a black one it indicates racism.
(Want to bet that if that white girl has been there longer than a couple of years she has never reported a white student for violations? Naw - we know she is a racist because she reported a black girl.)
So there are no white racists at all? Don't take it personally. Do you speak for all white people. I don't speak for all Black people. We don't all think alike.
There are NO white racists. !?
"It may have been racially motivated, it may not, but the only racism being actually exhibited is by those people that declare any time a white person finds fault with a black one it indicates racism."
I'm pretty sure that some of those media statements came from white people.
I didn't mention racism. I never heard the sleeper speak of racism. The facts were reported. The sleeper was Black and the snitch was white.
My question was "When you determine that it is your responsibility to call the police?" It is a very legitimate question since people call the police all of the time about ridiculous stuff. Maybe it is 3% of the time but if you put it in raw numbers, how many calls to all police departments, all of the US, is that? 200? 1000? 5000?
Are you saying that because not all incidents are racist 100% of the time that no one should ever mention racism? When Dillon Roof walked into a Black church, watched 9 Black people pray and then killed them, you don't consider this racist. Even when he said he was trying to start a race war?
Some people act like the racism police. They accuse others of being racist in efforts to detract from meaningful conversation.
I really didn't want to get into this to discuss racism.
What would make me feel threatened?
1. Someone following me over a period of time
2. Someone cursing me or using racial epitaphs
3. Someone threatening to hurt me (hit, stab, shoot, run me over)
4. Someone getting in my personal space to do any of the above
5. Someone wearing a sheet over the head, carrying KKK signs, swastika or other hate-related tatoos
Extra caution is needed
1. In a high crime rea
2. In crowds (watch your purse!, possible pick pockets)
3. Observance of unsafe driver (on cellphone, swerving, drinking, etc.
4. Observance of someone driving slowly through my neighborhood, slowly, looking at houses
I could go with the threats, although one needs to take care and think before acting. I've been followed nearly 200 miles, and had the follower get off on the same exit before. I've had the same person very often follow me to work, then keep going to their own job.
I'd also agree with the caution...while saying even that needs care. I've driven very slowly through neighborhoods, stopping at houses myself. House shopping. Looking for a missing pet. Once, looking for a missing child, and I even entered yards and peered over fences. Looking at Xmas decorations. Looking at yard decorations or landscaping. Searching for an address. Even checking house colors.
I live at the end of a cul-de-sac and several years ago I was accosted by a fairly new neighbor as I walked down the sidewalk, about a half block from my home. Seems I'd been doing the same 2 mile walk for several days, and he demanded to know who I was, where I lived and what I was doing there. (Keep in mind I had lived there long before his house was more than a dream in the developer's eye.) Seems I was "scaring his women-folk". At 6-3, 250# or so, with gruff, angry sounding demands for personal information, he likely scared (and angered) me more than I scared his "women-folk"! We can scare ourselves half to death when a moment's reasoning or observation could clear it up in a heartbeat.
Of course, we can also ignore obvious signs and be mugged in the park!
I was walking to the gate of my condo, walking from subterranean parking, digging for my keys. A lady walked up to me and asked for a dime. When I looked up, I was staring at her holding a knife between her breasts. I hurriedly found a dime and gave it to her. I was fortunate. She walked away.
Wilderness, please give me the url for this article. This is the first I heard of her being an "African American Studies" student. Also, intense confrontation with 4 police officers AND the snithc?
I've love to read this.
There were reports from many sources about why the guys were arrested in Starbucks. They were all consistent. Starbucks has not refuted anything that was reported. If you heard that they were arrested because they were asked to leave, why were they asked to leave. They were waiting for a colleague.
I won't mention Eric Garner because as I said, this is not about people that have a criminal history. In the Yale case, they don't let just anybody in Yale. Yale is in the top 10 schools in the country and they select the best and the brightest. When students on that campus look at each other, they are looking at the best and the brightest.
Starbucks - No one has said they were disturbing the peace. They had no weapons on them. Nothing was reported about criminal history.
When these situations are conflated with non-similar incidents, it clouds the issue and provides blank false justification.
I'm sorry, but a cop does not arrest you if you are asked to leave. Starbucks, a bar, a restaurant, whatever; being asked to leave is not even an offense.
But refusing to do so, and doing that multiple times to police, IS an offense. And is why they were arrested. Once more, the perception is not the reality, and is the entire point I'm trying to make.
Yale police officers told the caller at the time of this week's incident that Siyonbola "had every right to be there," that the episode "was not a police matter" and that they would report what happened to the graduate school dean, Yale Police Chief Ronnell Higgins said in a statement.
Thanks Island! I read that but forgot about it. And nothing was said about against the school's policy to nap in the common area. Usually, when studying, you do break the activity into smaller sections to retain what you have learned. It could be an eating break, bathroom break, telephone call, take naps, etc.
It would be interesting to know what the Dean told her since this was the 2nd time this year that the student called the police on someone.
Now THAT is another story, isn't it? Would love to have been a bug on the wall during HER interview!
Did he take the race road, basically saying black students were allowed to do that? Did he question her racism? Did he ream her for calling over nothing, opening the door to abuse because the students ARE the eyes of security? Did he bring up the 2nd episode and question just why she was doing it? Did he (somehow) indicate just how foolish the call had been, considering all the factors?
Would have loved to be there.
Starbucks and city of Philadelphia reach settlement with 2 arrested men
The announcement came the same day the two men reached a settlement with the city of Philadelphia. Under that agreement, the two men will each get a symbolic $1 each and the city pledged $200,000 to start a program for young entrepreneurs.
http://fox61.com/2018/05/02/black-men-a … =related_1
The guys were real estate professionals waiting to meet someone else. Why would they be asked to leave?
I wasn't there and cannot say. But to free up space for paying customers? Because the manager had past disputes with them? Because they commonly used Starbucks as their personal office space?
Yes, the city settled with them. So did Starbucks, paying for their college costs.
Graphic: Police officer suspended following arrest of 65-year-old woman
A suburban Atlanta police officer resigned after his department said he used foul language and inappropriate tactics during the arrest of a 65-year-old grandmother during a traffic stop, recorded on a police dashboard camera.
http://fox61.com/2018/05/11/graphic-pol … old-woman/
Hi Diane, I see the direction the thread seems to be taking, and I think it is other than the point of your OP.
Could your point be what is the changing determination of a threat? How do we deal with "personal" threats now, vs. "before?"
As I read your examples, you seem to be asking are these serious threats that warrant a police call?
Addressing that perspective, let me relate a story, (that I have related before), that I think illustrates our changing perspectives. And addresses your question - as I perceived it.
The story is from Steve Harvey's Family Feud show. A 30-something male was asked: "We asked 100 people what would you do if some one insulted you? *Note; that is "insult" not assault.
His first thought: Call the authorities! Of course I am giving away both my age and my mindset when I say a 3o-something man thinks of calling the cops when he is insulted - what has this world come to?
Really? Is that where our society is now, call the cops if someone insults you? Call the cops if you think a sleeping student is a trespasser?
My answer is a "threat" should be an indicator of danger, but apparently that is a Neanderthal man thought nowadays.
George Zimmerman charged with misdemeanor stalking
BY AVERY ANAPOL - 05/07/18 03:35 PM EDT
George Zimmerman, the Florida man who was acquitted in 2013 in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, has been charged with a misdemeanor for allegedly stalking a private investigator.
Court records allege that Zimmerman “did willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follow, harass, or cyberstalk” Dennis Albert Warren.
The charges were filed in March in Seminole County Court and say that Zimmerman stalked Warren in late December.
The arraignment will take place on May 30.
Zimmerman was famously acquitted for the shooting death of Martin, who was unarmed, alleging that he acted in self-defense.
In 2016, a Florida man who claimed he shot at George Zimmerman in self-defense was sentenced to 20 years in prison after being found guilty of attempted second-degree murder.
Matthew Apperson fired a single bullet at Zimmerman as the two were driving in May 2015.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- … ssion=true
I have always said since 2012, that this man is a chiseler and flunky of the highest order. Up to now he hasn't really atoned for the death of young Martin, yet.
Had he been properly jailed, other people wouldn't have to deal with his isht! If he kills someone else, it's blood on the hands of the manipulative/manipulated jurors.
You know, this fits into your thread pretty well. Martin was afraid at being watched...and his response was not to simply call the cops but to attack. There is no reason to think Zimmerman would ever have done anything if Martin had just walked on or had called the cops, but he lost his life because he completely overreacted to a perceived threat. Instead of being questioned by the Dean of a school, he died. Rather shows what CAN happen with such overreaction.
Wait. Zimmerman has been charged with a crime and it's "nuff said"?!?
Zimmerman was shot at by a man that was convicted of attempted murder (apparently mentioned to spin up what a bad person Zimmerman is) and it's "nuff said"?!?
Have we set aside the concept of "due process" now? We'll just jail people based on media reports and public opinion? Is the hanging mob back, with "mob rule" rather than "rule by law"?
My comment was about George Zimmerman's tendency to always be involved in trouble. He was found not guilty for some reason. He was on his way to Target but decided to follow and kill a Black kid and made up all kinds of reasons for following him. The jury had an attorney's wife for foreman. She me with her husband though hey were sequestered and had undo influence on oher jurors.
Trayvon Martin was a Black kid, walking from the store, talking on the cellphone. He should be alive today or at least lived through that night.
And MY comment was on what the results of fear can be if it is given free rein.
One person is afraid and calls the cops over nothing. Another is afraid and attacks the one he fears. The results were tragic beyond what he could possibly have thought would happen.
Sounds like you Are sYing the kid attacked the wannabee cop. We'd have to take Zimmerman s word for it.
WATCH: White woman calls the cops on black man who’s trying to fix up house in her neighborhood
When the police arrived on the scene, Hayes calmly explained the situation to the officers, who were sympathetic to what he was saying. They then asked the woman in the neighboring house to let him do his job.
The woman tells the officers that he can do his job — but then she glares at him and tells him, “Hurry up, do it, and get out!”
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/watch- … ghborhood/
"How do you determine whether a person is a threat"
Use the WHAT protocol.
What are they doing?
Are they being violent or are they just doing something that seems out-of-place?
Are they attempting to hide/conceal something?
Are they following someone?
Are they taking unusual interest in security arrangements, for example trying to see key codes
How are they behaving?
Do they seem calm or agitated?
Are they trying to avoid detection?
Could they be influenced by drink or drugs?
Are they being confrontational?
Alone or acting with others?
Are they with other people?
If so, do they seem to be acting with a common purpose (e.g., all moving together?)
Have they been with other people who have moved away?
Are they pretending not to be with other people?
Threat – What type do they pose?
Are they carrying an obvious weapon?
Do they appear to be concealing a weapon?
Are they carrying a bag or other container?
Are they holding something that could be used as a weapon?
Have they made a verbal threat (e.g. I have a gun in my bag)
This protocol is not fool-proof, but it's useful. Try applying it to the scenarios you referred to.
This is really helpful at night on college campuses, in parking lots, and just in general. It's good to be alert. Many people walk with headphones on or texting. Some people that are upset are so involved in what they are doing that they don't look around.
When people get driving violations they can go to traffic school to avoid paying a ticket or having insurance violation. Maybe when people call the police over stupid stuff, they should be required to take a class or get fined for harrassing the public and the police.
"Many people walk with headphones on or texting."
When you aren't paying enough attention to avoid toppling into a fountain (remember that? ) you aren't paying enough attention to your environment to even THINK about avoiding an attack.
I don't know about fining people for making stupid calls, though. That seems a sure fire way to eliminate any possible civilian help in preventing crime. Maybe for the 4th bogus call in a year?
Is "wasting police time" an offense in some places? I agree with Wilderness though, going too far in that direction may discourage reporting.
A 3 strikes rule sounds fair though. 3 in a year might be too generous. Maybe 3 total.
I think we just created a new law. Quick, someone sign something..
There are places where there are shortages of officers. Call in for a person taking a nap and then somebody robs a bank a half mile away. The robbers get away because the officers are checking the correct spelling of a napper's name.
My niece was just promoted to IA in Arkansas. Officers there are working overtime because of the high crime rate.
Each bogus call costs money and resources. It's like setting off a fire alarm in one place when the fire is a mile away.
Forgot the most important thing, infringing on another person's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Add respect and dignity to that. Situations like this could lead to a deadly confrontation.
"BERLIN (AP) — Police were called to investigate a domestic disturbance in a southern German town — and found a man arguing with a parrot.
A resident in Loerrach, near the Swiss border, called the emergency number Monday to report his concerns about loud shouting from a next-door apartment that had been going on for some time.
Police said Tuesday that officers sent to the scene found there was a loud argument going on — but it was between a 22-year-old man and a parrot. The man told them he had been annoyed with the bird, which belonged to his girlfriend.
The parrot responded to being shouted at with loud noises of its own. Police said it couldn't speak but could bark like a dog.
Since no one was hurt, the officers left."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/domestic-dis … 43145.html
Woman Caught on Camera Defecating on Floor of a Tim Hortons and Throwing Feces at an Employee
ALEXIA FERNANDEZ May 17, 2018 01:12 AM
A woman defecated inside of a Tim Hortons restaurant in Canada and threw her feces at an employee after she grew irate during an argument.
The woman, who remains unnamed, was arrested Monday by Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Langley, British Columbia, where the fast food restaurant where the incident occurred is located, according to The Province.
A rep for Tim Hortons did not immediately respond to PEOPLE’s request for comment.
Surveillance video of the incident posted on YouTube on Wednesday showing the woman verbally berate the employee before squatting on the floor and defecating. A barrier behind her prevented other patrons from witnessing the incident.
Identify the threat here.
At least they just called park security.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/black- … baby-park/
It is SO easy to pick up a wrong perception isn't it?
Was he acting furtive? Was he casing the cars nearby? Was he stumbling or weaving? Did he have something mistaken for a gun? Was the temperature too low for a small, immobile child dressed like that? Too hot?
Was he walking on the grass? Was there a suspicious chemical odor about him? Did he make a furtive transaction/trade minutes before? About the only thing we can know from the link is that he lied (parks large enough to warrant roving "special police" in a car are too large for him to know there was no one else in the park). That and that security found nothing to raise suspicions.
(You DID ask to have the potential threat identified)
Yet the obvious inference is that whoever reported him was afraid, and almost certainly because he was black. While that could be the truth, and the perceptions of the "reporter" were grossly distorted from reality, that inference could be just as distorted.
Keep in mind that we are not privy to the conversation with security and have no statement from whoever called security, only with the claims of the person that was doing no wrong and was offended to have security talk to him.
Officers disciplined in arrest of NBA's Sterling Brown, police chief says
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/us/milwa … index.html
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