Spanky plans dozens of pardons.

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Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago
Normally a sitting president waits until the end of his tern is over before granting pardons. Even then they go through a process with the Justice Department before being granted. Spanky however, doesn't care much for the historical process.

Now he's contemplating dozens of new pardons, some very controversial which also appear to be a not-so-subtle message sent to those already in jeopardy in the Mueller investigation. This guy will do anything to disrupt the investigation into his guilt or innocence.

He doesn't act at all like an innocent person....
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  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Only coincidentally, they all bought $200,000 memberships at Trump's Mar-a-Largo resort...
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Say it ain't so, Pro!
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  promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Just kidding. Gotta have fun now and then.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I knew you were just having fun, Pro. That or either mimicking the right in their silly claims.
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Hmm. Most Presidents wait until their actions in making questionable pardons won't hurt them politically - they leave people in prison, that should not really be there, in order to help their re-election and political power plays.
  
  Trump isn't doing that - he will pardon those he thinks deserve it (just as all other Presidents have done) and hang the political fallout. Restore their lives as much as possible, and as quickly as possible, without regard to his personal loss.
  
  And this is bad. Got it.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  So he's not doing this for political reasons?
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I couldn't say. Can you? Based on something more than your dislike for him and unsupported assumptions designed to denigrate anything he does?
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Your personal adoration of the cretin doesn't affect your opinion at all, I suppose. Mu personal dislike of Spanky aside, this whole pardon business smells so early in Spanky's first term, or do you find it normal?
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Can you provide any evidence at all to support your claim that it is purely political - that he is doing it to obfuscate the investigation? That IS your claim, is it not?
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Just curious wilderness, why do you always ask for evidence after the evidence is already provided? Other Trumpee right wingers around here follow the same redundant exercise:
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  OK - you provide proof (not opinion, mind you) that Trump is pardoning people purely for political reasons in order to obfuscate the Mueller investigation. No one else has (because they can't) so how about YOU take a whirl at it? (Hint: claiming you or anyone else already provided the impossible won't work)
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't say it was illegal, I said it smells and seems political. Can you prove it's not? Also, do you think Spanky is acting like he's innocent and has nothing to fear? Seriously?
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  "This guy will do anything to disrupt the investigation into his guilt or innocence."
  
  Is there another way to interpret this? Did you mean that he is innocent of wrongdoing but you wish he weren't? Or that he is innocent although you think he isn't?
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I'll ask the same question you ignored in my last comment, Dan. Do you think Spanky is acting as if he's innocent of any wrongdoing. Answer this and I'll address your question.
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  He is acting put-upon. Innocence or guilt does not enter into the equation. That you choose to interpret his actions as an indication of guilt says something about the reasoning process being used, but nothing about guilt or innocence.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Is that a yes or a no, Dan? You're a bit vague in your answer.
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Have you stopped beating your wife? The question makes assumptions that don't occur in real life - a vague (but informative) answer is inevitable.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Gee Dan, this is the first time you've ever failed to offer your opinion. Okay, you don't want to give a straight answer, although it doesn't take a genius to see how he's trying everything possible to quell the investigation into his actions. I'm sure you're proud of his demeanor re the investigation though. You simply are impelled to be so.
  
  I'll have to take your reluctance to answer as a damn sure yes!
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  No, it doesn't take a genius to see that. Just an irrational hatred coupled with a lack of honesty. Genius or idiot - either one can conjure up imaginary associations whenever they want to.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I simply asked you what YOU thought about Spanky's demeanor. Didn't mean to hit a nerve. I thought it was an easy question. You realize they're gonna get even harder the longer you keep backing Spanky, of course. Good luck!
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Wow! Here - I'll answer it again, with a copy/paste of the first time: "He is acting put-upon."
  
  He is guilty of acting as if he is being persecuted, then. He is guilty of acting as though he is angry. He appears, IMO, of speaking from anger (but that is only opinion, not fact).
  
  Better?
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps, should I get from this YOU don't think he's acting guilty? A simple damn yes or no will settle the issue, Dan. Come on you can do it!!
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry - you will have to specify guilty of what? Your imaginary thought that the pardons are purely political or to distract from the investigation into other people? Or the even bigger jump to hide that he conspired with Putin to fix voting machines?
  
  I already gave three things I think he is guilty of, but you didn't like that answer. Be specific then - acting guilty of what?
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Obstruction of justice
  Collusion with the Russians
  
  Just two, but you get the idea, Dan. Does he act innocent with his constant attacks on the Justice Department and Mueller's investigation in particular? Do You see his actions as that of an innocent man? I cannot explain my question any easier to a first grader, but I wager it still isn't simple enough.
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Given the troubles of the FBI, I don't see his comments on them being obstruction of justice, or giving the appearance of obstruction. Of course, I try to look at the whole picture, not just a tiny piece that might satisfy what I want to see.
  
  As there is zero evidence of collusion with Russians or Russia, I also can't see that he is acting guilty of it. Once more, the total lack of any evidence of Trump-Russia collusion is a part of that answer - kind of like a motive in a murder whodunit. If there is no reason to think there was collusion it's difficult to think that he is acting guilty of collusion. Of course, I haven't declared collusion without evidence - if one is inclined to do that, why then eating corn flakes for breakfast might be a sign of collusion!
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Of course Spanky is acting guilty by his constant attacks on the investigation and his AJ on a daily basis. Because you're afraid to admit it looks fishy is another indication of your partisan excuses for the cretin. Say no more!
  
  And apparently you're not only privy to Spanky's tax returns, you also know what Mueller has found to date. I'm gonna call you on both of 'em!
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Well, it is obvious to you that he is guilty - you don't need proof or even evidence to make the claim.
  
  Perhaps I should have been more specific for you - I have seen zero evidence of Trump-Putin collusion to fix the election. Doesn't mean there isn't any - just that I haven't seen any, which in turn influences my opinion on whether he is acting guilty of your fantasy collusion. And no, your claims that you know it is there is not evidence. Not to anyone but you, anyway.
  
  I realize that isn't your modus operandi - you don't need evidence to know things you want to be true - but it is how I work things. You're arguing in circles - Trump is guilty of collusion, which is why he is acting guilty, which in turn proves the hypothesis of guilt that was the reason he is acting guilty. A reasoning process I try to avoid as it seldom leads to truth, but to each his own!
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't you claim Spanky was a billionaire earlier? I asked how you knew this as no one has been able to see his tax returns. You ignored this question, why?
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  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Ever hear of Forbes? I'd give a link but I've used up my access there.
  
  If you had ever filled out a tax form you'd know there is nowhere to list total assets...
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Trump has already lied to Forbes before when he claimed his father's assets were his. He claimed to be worth a billion at the time when his worth was only 5 million. Another lie by your hero and you're trusting his word now that he's a billionaire? So how do you know he's not lying again?
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  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  They don't care if he lies. As with anyone who goes all in with Trump, core values and standard boundaries of decency are abandoned in favor of self-protective denial and intentional blinders. It's truly shocking to watch.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Pretty, it's apparent Spanky's fans can easily overlook any lie he tells. I've never witnessed mass denials of this magnitude in my life. I suppose they are so deeply vetted in this slimeball they are afraid to admit the truth. If Spanky is found to be guilty of his suspected involvement with the Russians, then these same people who vouch for him will lose what little credibility they ever had for making a correct political choice again. That is scary!
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  IslandBitesposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  OK.
  
  “When the whole thing is over, things might get cleaned up with some presidential pardons,” Giuliani told the Daily News.
  
  Giuliani made the comments to the New York Daily News hours after a judge revoked bail for Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort over alleged witness tampering, sending him to jail pending his trial in September.
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ahorsebackposted 6 years ago
Obama gave the most pardons since Franklin D Roosevelt , way more than all the presidents between . Funny thing - multitudes of them were for drug convictions ,coke especially, I wonder why ? Trafficking , mfg , treason {"Chelsea "Manning, Bo Bergdahl } countless executive money swindlers , on and on and on ...................Yet who does the left get conveniently outraged over , a few that Trump has so far pardoned ?

How predictable .
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ahorsebackposted 6 years ago
I just laugh as liberals all "decry the lies " of Trump himself in sticking his fingers into the investigations of him and his people and assorted ,alleged office or pre-office holding "corruptions ".

On one hand they demand accountability ?

While at the same time the fingerprints of total corruption lay all over the OIG reports released this week , the fingerprints of Obama/ Lynch / Clinton /Comey / McCabe , Sytok , ..............

Just let it all go !

Double Standards ?
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Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago
According to a NYT article just released, Roger Stone may be the next guy in line for a pardon. The article states he too met with a Russian to get dirt on Hillary. Is there another Mueller indictment for Stone in the offing? Oooooooooh, I think there is...

And then there was one....
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ahorsebackposted 6 years ago
So liberals , this is how politics works :

Lies ?
I guess the lies of the entire Obama administration didn't bother you ?

Lies?
Hillary's entire bullshyte campaign built upon lies and her political history of lie after after lie after lie didn't bother you ?

Lies ?
Lynch/ Comey's self aggrandizing and obstruction of a backfiring campaign and lie based obstruction of the Trump administration didn't bother you then or now ?

But now you get all righteously offended because you say " Trump Lies "? No ,I guess it doesn't bother Trumps followers that YOU all of a sudden realize the definition or meaning of lies ?

Yeaa ......we're all hurt over here !
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  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  There are lies, and then there are the lies of a mentally ill, sociopathic narcissist:
  
  "Eyebrows were also raised by a claim the president made about the parents of Korean War veterans pleading with him personally about getting back their sons’ remains.
  
  “We have thousands of people who have asked for that — thousands and thousands of people,” Trump said. “So many people asked when I was on the campaign. I would say, ‘Wait a minute, I don’t have any relationship.’ But they said, ‘When you can, president, we’d love our son to be brought back home — you know, the remains.”
  
  The math seems pretty hard to square.
  
  Wrote, The Week, “Let’s do the math. Say an American solider was 18 when he was sent to North Korea in the war’s final year, 1953 — he would have been 80 in 2015; if his parents had given birth to him when they were 18, they would have been 98 in 2015. More realistically, the parents would have been well over 100.”
  
  Trump said near the end of his talk with Kim, “I said ‘Will you do me a favor? The remains of these great fallen heroes, can we do something?’ He agreed to it immediately. It was pretty great.”
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The man has no shame, nor does his voters!
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Prettypanther , POW's ? Perhaps liberals might get a lesson studying how many POW's in WWII , Korea , Vietnam there actually were and still are ? What , one can't believe that either direct or extended families may not ask for the return of them , how brilliant an assumption that is !
  
  Really ?
  
  Randy , Shame , perhaps liberals should know unending "shame "for their anti-war efforts alone , especially those children of veterans , the "shame ' is all on those like you, no appreciation for even your fathers sacrifices , no sense of patriotism .
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  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You really are incredible. Thousands of 100-year-olds personally asked Trump to have their sons' remains returned from North Korea? And you believe that $h1!t?
  
  Oh....my....gosh.
  
  And get off your snooty, arrogant high horse about patriotism, you who would ban a free press just because you and your whiny little b!t@h of a president can't handle the truth. I'm truly sick of you people claiming patriotism while men like my husband fought for freedoms you would ditch today if it meant your little boy President didn't have to cry about being criticized.
  
  Geez.
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The very reason I don't converse with him and a few others, Pretty.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The reason you don't converse is that you actually can't converse , you berate the subject , denigrate the debate , promote hypocrisy and get all eight grade when you lose.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you almost always take your entire ideological points of debate out of context ?
  -est.7,800 POW men unaccounted for in No.Korea
  -est.5,300 buried in North Korea
  You can't imagine a number of people or extended families might want to know something ?
  I won't even respond to your sophomoric criticism and personal insults .
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  PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  At least I have the cajones to be direct. You fling insults by saying "liberals like you" or "those like you" then get the vapors when it's flicked back atcha. You really are like your delicate hero.
  
  "the "shame ' is all on those like you no appreciation for even your fathers sacrifices , no sense of patriotism ."
  
  "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else."
  Theodore Roosevelt
  
  Done.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  You DO mean all that hogwash as , In your opinion .
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  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, we all remember the stupid "freedom fries" concept by Dubya's fans when France didn't do as he wanted. I'd wager horse was "one of those" who also voted for Dubya.
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livetechposted 6 years ago
The thing about Trump is that apparently, the regular rules of presidency don't seem to apply to him. He needs to be held accountable just as any president would be.
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  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Sure he does but as you state about, ".......the regular rules ...." , haven't applied to anything or anyone in this entire election or political process ;
  - The evolving news media
  - Either of the RNC , DNC
  - Congress , senate
  - The previous administrations involvements
  
  All the parties involved have worn a different suit from the inception of the 2016 election primaries , maybe the problem is that Trump is but reflecting TO the left the hypocrisy of their election outrage , the TDS , the resistance , the obstructionists . From the beginning the DNC and the news media changed the rules , but now wants to what , realign themselves TO rules ?
  Who changed these rules first ?
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Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago
I thought resurrecting this old forum topic is particularly apt at this time with all of the slimy pardons the slime-in-chief is granting.
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