This unbelievable charge was reported to be made to Canada PM Trudeau on a phone call between Spanky and the PM. It seems Spanky has no more grasp on American history than the nitwit Sarah Palin.
Any schoolchild knows the British burned down the WH in the war of 1812. Or perhaps this is simply one of his 9 lies a day. He's got to keep his record intact, you know!
"Canada was under British rule beginning with the Treaty of Paris (1763) when New France, of which Canada was a part, formally became a part of the British Empire."
"Canada's final vestige of legal dependence on the United Kingdom was terminated in 1982 with the enactment of the Canada Act"
So Canada was a part of the British Empire in 1812. Perhaps if you did your research like the President does you might be as smart as he is. And could stop posting falsehoods (commonly called "lies")...unless you're intent on keeping some record or another intact.
Okay, so you're claiming since the Canadians were under British rule the British who burned the WH are considered Canadians? You're as bright as Spanky, Dan!
lol, Why not Randy? When the idiot in the white house invades Iran, we just tell em that it wasn't us, Puerto Rico did it l!
I like wilderness, he's harmless and always adds some levity and humor:
He's simply desperate to defend Spanky, Jake. You see, he voted for him and has a vested interest on how Spanky appears to others. I don't fault Dan too much, but he listens to Fox News I suspect.
I'll bet he voted for Dubya and wanted Palin to be VP as well.
People living in what is now Canada were British citizens. That pretty much makes them participants in British actions.
Did you know that people in certain parts of the US were once British citizens as well? Shocking, isn't it? We have Brits in our Virginia born ancestry! Why, even those folks living just north of Florida and south of South Carolina were English!
I'm laughing so hard right now, so by your logic, Brits lived in Canada and Brits lived in the United States, so I guess we can just say that the United States burned down the white house along side of Canada and every other country who has Brits were complicit as well right?
"People living in what is now Canada were British citizens."
Please. Try really hard to read what is written, not what you wish were written. Work on comprehension, not speed. You might also put some thought into how Canadians could exist before there was a Canada - if you try really hard you might realize that those people were not Canadians at all!
Or do you think that American Indians, in 1400 AD, were US citizens, too?
lol, believe me, I read and understand what you're saying perfectly:
Good! Then you have learned something today - that the countries of the United States and Canada were once English colonies, part of the British Empire! You're doing great - keep up the good work!
(Next is a study of how British citizens fought their country in our revolutionary war in order to become a new, separate country - the United States of America. How a revolution in the British Empire produced our United States. For homework you can read the Wikipedia articles tonight and I will attempt to explain how it all worked tomorrow.)
Yes indeed, I've learned a lot about you, Dan. There were many French and German settlements in What is now considered Canada. I suppose you could say they burned the WH with your reasoning. Good try though!
If they lived in the area covered by the treaty in 1763 that became part of the British Empire, then they were British...after the treaty. This should be apparent.
As usual, though, you are changing what I said, for I never mentioned that a single soul living in "British Canada" burned the white house. Only that they were citizens of the country that did - that at the time what is now Canada was British (and the people that lived there as well, though native Indians might disagree!).
You really should research your hate before going public with it. When you try to claim that there were Canadian citizens before there was a Canada it doesn't really come across very well. Or do you also claim that Neanderthals were citizens of France - Frenchmen down to their toes?
The Russians settled in Canada early on, Dan. I suppose the Russians were complicit in the WH arson? The British responsible for the burning came from BRITAIN.
Presumably you refer to the Russians that occupied what is now Alaska in the late 1700's. But they could not have settled in the country of Canada as there WAS no Canada at the time.
Yes, I assume that the British responsible for the fire traveled from England, not the British colony in the new world. Does that mean the colonists were not British, or that they did not "share" the blame as much as a resident of London or any other British settlement?
So why did Spanky reference the Canadians? More political BS because of his stupid tariffs on Canada and Mexico?
True - he should technically have referred to Canadian ancestors as being British. Would that have made you happier or would you still call him a liar? My money is on the latter.
Your money would be mine, Dan. He would have been correct if he'd been talking to the British PM.
No, no! He was talking to a Canadian. And I stand by the guess that if he had said "Canadian ancestors" you would still have called him a liar. Because you didn't bother to look and see that the people living in that area at the time of the fire were, indeed, British.
He didn't say "Canadian ancestors" Dan, he said Canada, You know what, discussions with you are like trying to discuss things with Shar and horse. Why don't you simply agree with everything They say and stay away from anything to do with actual history.
Hmm. Is it your belief that Trump meant that 4 million square miles of dirt, rock and trees uprooted itself, came south and struck a match to the WH?
Me, I think he meant the people that live there or, in this case, the ancestors of those people (or their fellow citizens, for 30 million people did not burn the WH) as it happened long before anyone alive today was born. Ancestors that were British, which he correctly referenced.
Give it up, Randy. The British burned the WH, and the people living in what is now Canada were British at the time it happened. Which is exactly what I said and what Trump said...whereupon you called him a liar.
If you are happy with your answer, then so am I.
By the way, the country of Canada didn't exist in 1812.
Great! I have managed to teach two intractable, stubborn, opinionated people a new fact today! I feel great - it's been a good day for teaching.
Wilderness , You always show such reason and respect for the opposition, however , Do you really believe that the leftists here have accurate and actual knowledge of US and world history ? Remember my friend , these people rewrite history not study it !
Randy , We all beg you , read a darned history book once in a while .
lol, Yeah Randy, can't you get as smart as your president, what's wrong with you? Don't you remember when Canadian forces broke through our northern border, then stormed the white house and torched it up? You don't remember that from history?
Maybe someday you'll do your research and become as smart as your president who said the other day that African Americans have been voting for democrats for 100 years, which turns out is a near miraculous feat considering the 'Voting Rights Act of 1965' wasn't enacted until 1965 !!!!
lol, lordy lordy lordy
My Gawd, I'm laughing so hard at this ridiculous attempt to defend our uneducated doofus president. Aaaaarh Ha Ha Ha Haaaaaaa!
You all know I’m no Trump fan but it’s a long standing Canadian joke that we kicked America’s ass by burning down the White House in 1812. And Trump bringing it up was also clearly a joke.
Yes, it was technically the British. Maybe some eventually became Canadians. But surely there are more important things you can bicker over than the nationalities of some very dead dudes to determine whether someone’s joke was historically accurate or not.
I'm afraid Spanky was serous, Aime. And his fans definitely are....
Aww, c'mon on Aime! Sometimes you just have to poke the wildlife. It's fun to see it squirm!
I never squirm when you make up a story, Dan!
Oh? Back and forth, round and round, all the time insisting that people were Canadian a hundred years before the country existed. All to "support" the claim that Trump lied!
Yeah, it's called "squirming".
I didn't claim the country existed, just the opposite. You were backing up Spanky's lie with more BS. Why would I squirm when you defend a liar? He was wrong and so are you. Get over it!
True. Just that British citizens were actually Canadians in 1864, 100 years before it existed as a country. Squirm, Randy, squirm!
So you are still claiming Spanky was correct? What lengths you guys will go to protect a liar!
"No, Canada didn’t burn down the White House, but there’s something more troubling about Trump’s claim"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor … b075704681
According to your link the British burned the WH, and Canada was British at the time.
Of course, it goes on to suggest that Trump thinks actions 170 years ago constitute a national security threat today from a close ally - even a child could figure out that that isn't true. Typical liberal spin to make something sound bad or just stupid when it was nothing of the sort. Perhaps you should make an effort, an honest one, to try and figure out what is said and meant rather than accept any negative spin the liberal community can come up with?
How many more times will we be asked to "figure out what is said and meant" by Trump before we decide he is either stupid or lying or both?
How many more, wilderness? Ten? One hundred? One for every day left in his presidency? How many?
Until you quit intentionally spinning what is meant into something it wasn't. Until you honestly try to understand. Until you overcome your automatic dislike (outright hatred for many) and make a real attempt to look at all sides and the whole story without picking small bits in a search for something to to feed and grow your antipathy. Just like this one; to take an obvious attempt at humor and turn it into something stupid that not even a child would believe. No reasonable person can possibly believe that Trump thinks a British act, during a war with Britain 170 years ago, can have any effect on our security today, and from modern Canadians, yet! They only use the event to promote their own hatred in the hopes that others will join them.
I figure it will take about 6 years...IF a democrat is elected. Otherwise 14.
It won't take that long for us to know Spanky's a pathological liar. we figured that out his first day in office when he started a presidential record of lying that will never be surpassed.
"No reasonable person can possibly believe that Trump thinks a British act, during a war with Britain 170 years ago, can have any effect on our security today, and from modern Canadians, yet!"
Did someone say that? If so, I missed it. But, regardless, many "reasonable" people do not think highly of Trump's knowledge of foreign affairs or his ability to engage in skilled diplomacy, or they just think he's an idiot or a moron:
H. R. McMaster
I'm sure I could continue, but I'm also pretty sure you will dismiss each and every one as being possessed by TDS or hating Trump, even though many of them serve in or did serve in his admiIstration.
Yes, it was probably a joke, but the sad fact is, based upon years of observation of Trump's deliberate lies or inadvertent misstatements (to be generous), a "reasonable" person might think he believes Canada burned down the White House.
Yes, you missed it, for it has certainly been said.
"It was probably a joke, but a reasonable person might think it wasn't"? I'm a little foggy on how that works.
Trump has said many hateful , erroneous, and stupid things that were clearly not jokes but that his supporters tried to pass off as jokes to defend him.
And he has said a great many things that are taken out of context, that are spun, that are distorted to the point they are unrecognizable. His words have been chopped into tiny bits and then those bits used to condemn when the rest the story is carefully not mentioned.
Those are not the actions of a "reasonable person". And neither is taking obvious humor as serious - double and triply so when it so obvious that what was said was so obviously false. It was as silly as saying the earth is flat or the sun goes around the earth - there is just no possibility that any "reasonable person" could have taken it at face value.
Okay, could a "reasonable" person believe three million illegal immigrants voted for Hillary in 2016, even though no evidence has ever been produced?
Your point? That such a statement is reason to believe the unbelievable?
Or that it is sufficient reason to intentionally spin innocent statements into something they never were in order to degrade the man?
( I might add that no one believed he'd been wire-tapped either...until it was proven. That everyone said his language to Kim was the height of stupidity...until Kim suddenly dismantled his program and agreed to talk. That everyone accepted as fact that Trump and Putin collaborated to fix the election...until no evidence shows anything of the kind. Trump does have a rather nasty habit of saying things no one likes but that eventually proves to either be true or, at a minimum, have some basis in fact even if badly exaggerated. Like illegals voting.)
My point is that Trump believes three million illegal immigrants voted for Hillary in 2016, losing him the popular vote, even though his own commission could find no evidence. Is Trump a "reasonable" person?
No, it has not been proven that Trump was wiretapped: https://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/revis … ap-tweets/
No, Kim did not "dismantle the program." He blew up a test site. North Korea still has nuclear capabilities: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ … t-for-show
As for collusion...we won't know until the investigation is over.
"Trump does have a rather nasty habit of saying things no one likes but that eventually proves to either be true or, at a minimum, have some basis in fact even if badly exaggerated."
The examples you gave do NOT support this claim.
I'm glad YOU can tell when he's lying, exaggerating, spinning, changing his stories, joking, insulting, etc. because he's doing one of these every time he opens his Big Mac mouth. All of these can change to the other at the drop of a hat. Congrats on understanding his mind, Dan!
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