Why are Senior Military and Intelligence Officers Attacking Trump?

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   My Esotericposted 5 years ago

   The last two days have been extraordinary.  Former Republican CIA Director John Brennan, after the Helsinki debacle, said about Donald Trump
   
   "Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???"
   
   Trump just took away his security clearance (hurting national defense as a result) in retaliation.  BTW - Brenner track down Osama bin Laden.
   
   The next day Republican Admiral William H. McRaven, a retired Navy admiral, was commander of the U.S. Joint Special Operations Command from 2011 to 2014. He oversaw the 2011 Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan that killed al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden had this to say about Trump's retaliation.
   
   "Dear Mr. President:
   
   Former CIA director John Brennan, whose security clearance you revoked on Wednesday, is one of the finest public servants I have ever known. Few Americans have done more to protect this country than John. He is a man of unparalleled integrity, whose honesty and character have never been in question, except by those who don’t know him.
   
   Therefore, I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.
   
   Like most Americans, I had hoped that when you became president, you would rise to the occasion and become the leader this great nation needs.
   
   A good leader tries to embody the best qualities of his or her organization. A good leader sets the example for others to follow. A good leader always puts the welfare of others before himself or herself."
   
   I am currently reading, and writing about, Republican retired General Michael V. Hayden's book "The End of Intelligence in a World of Lies"     
      ", former Director of the National Security Agency and Director of the CIA, and he has this to say about Donald Trump:
   
   I’m not laughing.

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      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      When devastating deconstruction of the USA, an agenda Vladimir Putin has been unsuccessful at executing until Traitor Trump was embedded in our oval office, includes a denial of the capability of the greatest intelligence gathering minds in the history of this country, It's time for ALL patriotic military, law enforcement and intelligence officers to demand the Russian controlled republican congress STOP the Trump madness:
      
      "Maher: Trump Admin Committing ‘Treason’ – ‘It Is Kind of the Only Issue’"
      
      "On Friday’s broadcast of HBO’s “Real Time,” host Bill Maher stated the Trump administration is committing treason and said this is “kind of the only issue.”
      
      Maher said, “Why can’t we use that word ‘treason?’ We’re under attack. I mean, three Democrats this week, the opponent of Rohrabacher, Bill Nelson in Florida, Claire McCaskill, all said the Russians tried to get into their shit. As I said, we’re purging the FBI, pulling security clearances of former CIA directors and the people who kept us safe since 9/11 and for the last 30 years. I don’t get it. If you’re fighting the people who are fighting us, what do you call it?”
      
      
      

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         My Esotericposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I can accept Maher as an opinion, but certainly not an authoritative source to be relied on.  I hold the same opinion, and say so, but I have to put forward my reasons.  Maher did that, and so long as they aren't hyperbolic or beyond credulity (and they weren't), then his opinion gains more weight.
         
         I didn't know about Bill Nelson, by the way.  Rohrabacher is a known and proud Russian sympathizer (no hyperbole).
         
         And his last question is the most telling.
         
         (BTW, treason or traitor in this case, are just rhetorical terms used to describe how a person is acting.  In a legal sense, he isn't there ... yet.)
         
         I do like that bumper sticker.  I would take out the "dummies" part, however, because I don't like insulting people when I can help it. (I never even liked it when used in the "Dummies" series of books.)

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            JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Well My Esoteric, Mr. Trump's actions and words go beyond betrayal of the United States: He has and continues to betray our CIA, FBI and law enforcement, our constitution, our judicial system our healthcare system, we the people and the list goes on:
            
            The only thing he hasn't done yet is invite Vladimir Putin to sit in our oval office while he spends another wasteful weekend in a golf stupor in between little twitter tirades and fox fake channel incoherent whining rants:
            
            But given the way this poodle likes to insanely commit serious federal crimes in broad daylight, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we do indeed see Vladimir Putin on national television resting his feet and dark communist boots on the polished maple of the president's desk:
            
            After all, if Bozo Trump commits a crime in broad daylight on national television it's not really a crime right?

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               My Esotericposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Actually, I changed my mind.  I was going to write and say that legally, Trump isn't a traitor, but in every other sense he is. My twitter name for him is #TraitorTrump. Then I decided to look up the definition (I thought we had to be in a real declared war) and found he probably is legally guilty of treason as well based on this:
               
               treason
               n. the crime of betraying one's country, defined in Article III, section 3 of the U.S. Constitution: "Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." Treason requires overt acts and includes the giving of government security secrets to other countries, even if friendly, when the information could harm American security. Treason can include revealing to an antagonistic country secrets such as the design of a bomber being built by a private company for the Defense Department. Treason may include "espionage" (spying for a foreign power or doing damage to the operation of the government and its agencies, particularly those involved in security) but is separate and worse than "sedition," which involves a conspiracy to upset the operation of the government.

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                  JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm happy to see that we are close to a meeting of the minds on this My Esoteric: One of the critical questions that will be answered hopefully very soon before Mr. Trump with the assistance of Russian controlled congressional republicans manage to unilaterally destroy the entire fabric of the USA in this insane nightmare of an unthinkable era, is whether or not a crime committed in broad daylight, as Mr. Trump does almost daily on national television or via his angry little twitter tirades, is indeed a crime even though there is no effort to conceal it:
                  
                  After reading that extensive definition of 'treason', Mr. Trump fits the description almost to the atom: I understand some individuals interpret alternative definitions to mean that we must be at war: If Russia espionaging, hacking and stealing property of the USA with explicit intent to subvert and undermine our democracy and embed a friendly in the oval office as our intelligence professionals have already proven, is NOT an act of war, I don't know what is:

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                     My Esotericposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Yep, nice thing about that definition is "being at war" isn't an element of proof.  Even assuming Putin's attack on America is an act of war, it isn't needed to prosecuting Trump for treason.

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                        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        I believe you are correct My Esoteric, an 'act of war' for prosecution is probably not a condition precedent although we've been at war covertly in cyber space with Russia for years: What appears to be a pre-requisite to potentially prosecute Mr. Trump for treason and or treachery is either a confession, which as we all know is not out of the question considering he appears to confesses to crimes on national television via the Lester Holt interview etc, and appears to commit serious federal crimes at will using his twitter page, and or 2 witnesses to the betrayal:
                        
                        "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
                        
                        I wonder how many witnesses will step forward to testify about this:
                        
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b71f2eYdTc

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                           My Esotericposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           So far I haven't heard Ds pursue that line of thinking, but I bet, assuming they take control of the House, that may be one of the articles of impeachment.

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                              JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              
                              
                              Here's another line of thinking nobody is talking about: If the unimaginable happens and Donald Trump somehow is NOT prosecuted for his blatant crimes of betrayal such as asking Russian agents on national television to commit espionage against the United States by hacking into our private and in some instances top secret info, that would give the green light to any and ALL individuals to go on television themselves and commit the very same act of treason by directly asking for Russian assistance to hack anything anywhere anytime:
                              
                              That's a chilling thought, American Traitors just like Donald on television or in private, conspiring with our arch enemy Russia against the USA: ALARMING:

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      My Esotericposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Astoundingly, ANOTHER 175+ former officials denounce Donald Trump's probably illegal revocation of John Brennan's security clearance.
      
      Brennan is now saying that "if this is what it takes" he will sue to get his clearance back.

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      Kathleen Cochranposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Because they are honorable men.  In light of today's breaking news, they are right on the mark.

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   Let's talk about the Obama Impeachment because of Russian hacking ?   It all began and openly progressed under the careful eye's of Barack Obama and his useless minions in HIS  "Intelligence agencies ".     
   
   No wonder however ,Pres.  Obama "................ Only attend about 40% of his Daily Intelligence Briefings............ "
   
   It's never too late to Impeach Obama , no ex has been impeached but he could be censured , he could lose his retirement benefit package ,any chance of "serving " in government again ?

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      My Esotericposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      First, let's NOT talk about the absurd idea of Obama Impeachment because we aren't talking about President Obama, we are talking about #TraitorTrump.
      
      Second, if you must use such a deflection, use something that is true.
      Obama was the first to identify Russian hacking.  Unlike Trump, he took steps to combat it while Trump embraces and encourages it.
      
      Third, it would help people respect you a little if you didn't use debunked lies in your deflections.

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         ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         There are no lies in my post , Did the Russians hack or not ? Pretty simple ,because  you can't handle the truth you won't believe reality  .
         Those responsible ; Obama , Hillary ,Brennan  the DNC .
         Trump wasn't the leader then , you know .

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            My Esotericposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            How about "No wonder however ,Pres.  Obama "................ Only attend about 40% of his Daily Intelligence Briefings............ ""
            
            That is a debunked lie.
            
            Also, to carry on with your DEFLECTION - "responsible" for what? Trump's love of Putin?

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   ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

   Ask yourselves THE most important question of all , WHO was incharge of the federal government  and what names were at the top of all the US leadership roles until January 2017 ?
   -Obama
   -Clinton
   -Brennan
   -Comey
   
   "4 -D's" deny , dodge , deflect and DEMOCRAT .

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      My Esotericposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      To answer your pointless question, only Obama was in charge and he did something.
      
      What has Trump done in the 18 months he has known of Russia's attack on America?  Deny, deny, deny.  Putin didn't do it.

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         JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Denials in this darkest of times in American history, right in front of our enemy Vladimir Putin on national television with millions of witnesses: UNREAL: Just one reason why our greatest law enforcement minds are lining up against Mr. Trump and one reason why Bozo Trump's unthinkable Helsinki betrayal forced a great patriotic public servant and law enforcement Goliath John Brennon to call it what it was, treasonous behavior: How else could you possibly define it?
         
         "John Brennan doubles down on claim that Donald Trump is “treasonous”
         On “Meet the Press,” Brennan stood by his comments accusing Trump of treason"
         
         https://www.salon.com/2018/08/19/john-b … reasonous/

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