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   Sharlee01posted 20 months ago

   
   
   Liz Cheney says Greene should lose security clearance for defending suspect in Pentagon docs leak ---   https://www.aol.com/news/liz-cheney-say … 45472.html
   
   Former Rep. Liz Cheney said Thursday that GOP firebrand Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene should not have a security clearance after Greene defended the Air National Guardsman suspected of leaking a trove of classified documents.
   
   Cheney, a Republican from Wyoming who has come out against the Trump-aligned wing of the party, said Greene's comments made clear that she "cannot be trusted" with national security information.
   
   Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, of Georgia, defended the alleged leaker, Jack Teixeira, 21, in two tweets Thursday night, claiming that the Biden administration was "the real enemy" and had "lied to us from the very beginning."
   
   Cheney responded in a post on Twitter, saying, "Marjorie Taylor Greene makes clear yet again that she cannot be trusted with America’s national security information and should not have a security clearance of any kind."
   
   Teixeira was arrested Thursday at a home in North Dighton, Massachusetts. He made his first court appearance Friday, where he was charged with POSSESSING classified documents pertaining to national security and possessing national defense materials. The charges carry a maximum of 10 years behind bars.
   
   Greene, a member of the Homeland Security Committee, said on Twitter that “Jake Teixeira is white, male, Christian, and antiwar. That makes him an enemy to the Biden regime. And he told the truth about troops being on the ground in Ukraine and a lot more. Ask yourself who is the real enemy?” 
   
   Teixeira's arrest ended a weekslong manhunt for the source of the leaks, which exposed potentially hundreds of pages of classified intelligence on the war in Ukraine and America's spying on its allies.
   
   Thoughts --  Should Green lose her security clearance, for what she said? Did she lie?
   And what about the lies we as Americans have been told in regard to the Ukraine war?
   How do you feel about the apparent problems the government is having with keeping top secret documents top secret?  So much more involved in the Government's latest scandal than might the eye.
   
   As I ask almost weekly, what next?

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      wildernessposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Probably.  If all she is concerned about is the politics of the situation, and unwilling to consider the seriousness of the crime committed, she should not have access to such things.
      
      Is she another Snowden in the making?

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      Live to Learnposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      I guess there are two schools of thought. One, that the government should be allowed to hide anything it wants from the American people. The other, we have a right to know. I, being in the latter group. Although I think Greene has a poor way with words, I don't think Cheney has enough credibility left to disparage anyone.

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         Sharlee01posted 20 months agoin reply to this

         Well said. I too feel Green needs to find a better manner to communicate. She is clearly a "renegade", and it appears she may feel the lies that were outed are worse than this man breaking the law.  I believe all are equal, and no person of sound mind should be above the law. I also am very angered about being lied to.  I want more transparency in our government.
         
         Cheney, in my view, needs to step away from politics, she has lost her credibility.

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 20 months ago

   Someone should inform Greene that the president is a practicing Catholic - a Christian religion.

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   Credence2posted 20 months ago

   What I don't understand is how is that the GOP puts its biggest fruitcakes at prominent and highly visible points within the party?  If I were them, I would find a root cellar to confine her.
   
   Greene is an idiot and the fact that the party embraces such a personage reflects on them and those that support them.
   
   Quite tragic.....
   
   The Democratic Party has no one comparable from the left side.

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      wildernessposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Considering who is in the White House, probably for the same reason Democrats puts their biggest crackpots at highly visible points.  Or AOC.

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         Credence2posted 20 months agoin reply to this

         Compared with Greene, AOC  is a mere Girl Scout.
         
         But again, conservatives have difficulty distinguishing and delineating between what may well not be considered a fine difference  in the matter of frequency and extent when comparing AOC with Miss Jewish Space Lasers.....

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      Sharlee01posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      My feelings about her tweet, she certainly had the right to share what she knew, and her basic views about the situation. However, she certainly could say it in a better manner.   She actually made a couple of good points, but her demeanor stops many from listening to what she says.
      
      I am angry at what I have learned from the leaked documents. And I am once again disappointed in how this has quickly turned into a  "hey look here, not there".
      
      We have lied to big time.

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   Sharlee01posted 20 months ago

   I think the complete MTG tweet is so much longer than the few words that Media is presenting. She certainly spills the beans in the tweet. I can see why it was not presented in full. But, not many today care about the full context, IMO.
   
   "When it comes to Ukraine, the Biden Administration has lied to us from the very beginning.
   
   Joe Biden said the US would not get involved in the war in Ukraine because Ukraine is not a NATO member nation.
   
   Yet over a year later, we’ve sent hundreds of billions of dollars, military equipment, and so much ammunition that we have to borrow from foreign countries like South Korea to replenish our stockpile.
   
   We have now found out from a supposed 21-year-old National Guardsman that there are American military troops on the ground in Ukraine.
   
   Is this another Stu Scheller who revealed the truth about the Biden Afghanistan withdrawal?
   
   If this is true, why are they there? What are they doing?
   
   A US troop presence in Ukraine to go to war with Russia was NEVER authorized by Congress.
   
   Now the Biden Administration and DOJ want to arrest a likely low-lever National Guardsman for exposing the TRUTH?? It’s Joe Biden, his Administration, and the Department of Defense that are breaking the law. They are violating the Constitution by inserting us into an armed conflict most Americans don’t want and no American benefits from.
   
   The National Guardsman that released these Pentagon papers is simply blowing the whistle on what is really taking place at the DOD, yet he’s being treated like a traitor and criminal. It’s the Biden Admin and the DOD who are acting like criminals. They’re the ones who should be held accountable to the American people because of what they’re doing in Ukraine.
   
   Our Constitution and the rule of law exist for a reason, and the Constitution is clear: it is Congress that must vote to go to war. But again, the Pentagon has us involved in a war that Congress never voted to approve.
   
   It’s time we hold the Biden Administration accountable for breaking the law. #ImpeachJoeBiden"
   
   Maybe we need more truth.

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   IslandBitesposted 20 months ago

   

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      Sharlee01posted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Both...

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      Ken Burgessposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Yup, just like Biden said... biggest threat to American Democracy.

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   Valeantposted 20 months ago

   The far-right will label Ukraine as a proxy war while the left will label it defending an ally who believes in democracy against a government that has violated treaties and committed war crimes.
   
   It appears that Greene will defend anyone that breaks the laws of our land to stand against the current regime that she clearly does not support and believes was elected by fraud.  She is one of the new faces of a party that put political aspiration ahead of what the country stands for by ignoring any breach of law that her party commits.  As long as the GOP props her up into positions of importance, they will be associated with the conspiracies she has spewed and are not forgotten by moderate Americans.
   
   She allies herself with the most violent of the January 6 culprits and now someone who has endangered national security and has reported ties to white supremacist views.  This, ladies and gentlemen, is the leadership of the current GOP.

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      Kathleen Cochranposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      If the young man were a civilian their might be two sides to the story. But he is in the military and under oath to protect the United States. There is no excuse short of insanity.

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         Ken Burgessposted 20 months agoin reply to this

         How is hiding the truth and supporting lies sanity?
         
         Do you think Americans have a right to know that we are fighting a war in Ukraine against Russia, risking escalating it into Nuclear conflict?
         
         Do you think it was OK that the reasons used to start a war in Iraq that demolished that nation were lies?
         
         Do you think it is OK that today we have American forces in Syria fighting Russians, Syrians and Iranians, and America hasn't been told?
         
         Do you think its OK that we destroyed Libya and left is a lawless state where slavery runs rampant?
         
         Or do you prefer to ignore all these things and accept the lies as truth?

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      GA Andersonposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      The Ukraine War feels like a proxy war. In historical comparisons, our actions look like a proxy war. I don't think that precludes our involvement being primarily for the defense of a democratic nation.
      
      Can't both views be right?
      
      GA

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         Valeantposted 20 months agoin reply to this

         Yeah, I think that is a fair question.  But in my view, those that believe it to be a proxy war seem to omit the annexation of Crimea, in violation of previously formed treaties, to make their case.  Either you believe Crimea belongs to Ukraine or you support Russia's claim to it and that might determine which side of this aisle you're standing on.
         
         Not GA

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            Sharlee01posted 20 months agoin reply to this

            Perhaps it may be more important to consider what the people of Crimea feel about who they belong to, or want to belong to.
            
            Did the people of Crimes not vote by a large majority to become a part of Russia?
            
            The Crimean status referendum of 2014 was a disputed referendum[2][3] on March 16, 2014, concerning the status of Crimea that was conducted in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol (both subdivisions of Ukraine) after Russian forces seized control of Crimea.[4]
            
            The referendum was held amidst Russia's annexation of Crimea.[5][6] The referendum asked voters whether they wanted to rejoin Russia as a federal subject, or if they wanted to restore the 1992 Crimean constitution and Crimea's status as a part of Ukraine. The final date and ballot choices were set only ten days before the referendum was held. Before, during and after the referendum was proclaimed, the Crimean peninsula saw Russian soldiers take over public buildings and Ukrainian military installations.[5] When the referendum was proclaimed, the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People called for a boycott of the referendum.[7][8]
            
            The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation, with an 83 percent voter turnout, and from Sevastopol there was also a 97 percent vote for integration with Russia, with an 89 percent voter turnout.
            
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crim … referendum

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               Valeantposted 20 months agoin reply to this

               So you really think a disputed referendum, after an annexation by armed Russia forces, was valid?  I think it's about as valid as Russian elections currently.

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                  Sharlee01posted 20 months agoin reply to this

                  Not sure, I haven't done enough research into the matter. But the vote shows such a large majority of citizens vote in their election.  It seems if they were against it, they would have truely protested.
                  
                  I have read many articles where it would seem the people of Crimeia are satisfied with their decision and actually doing well.
                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … nnexation/
                  
                  "   According to the Gallup's survey performed on April 21–27, 82.8% of Crimean people consider the referendum results reflecting most Crimeans' views, and 73.9% of Crimeans say Crimea's becoming part of Russia will make life better for themselves and their families, while 5.5% disagree."
                  
                  According to survey carried out by Pew Research Center in April 2014, the majority of Crimean residents say they believed the referendum was free and fair (91%) and that the government in Kyiv ought to recognize the results of the vote (88%).
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crim … 0disagree.
                  
                  I will stay on the fence on this one.

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            GA Andersonposted 20 months agoin reply to this

            Consider another perspective to add to your view. I believe this has become a proxy war. This is now a proxy war, in that we cannot let our support be the reason Ukraine might fail. There are no conditions. Placing blame and identifying fault won't change a thing.  Whatever I would believe about Crimea, I would only know from news media and Google searches. You've seen how that argument works.
            
            I'm all for it, now that we're in it. That sounds crude,  but I think the international outcome of this war will have a great impact on our future national security and international status. Points such as the ones Ken makes aren't without some substance.
            
            You know the side I'm standing on.
            
            GFA

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            Ken Burgessposted 20 months agoin reply to this

            No the annexation is not ignored.
            
            The issue is the annexation occurred 9 years ago.
            
            Since then Crimea has been fully incorporated into the Russian Republic.
            
            Its not like its occupied territory... not anymore than California is occupied by the US, which we annexed from Mexico some time ago.
            
            Ukraine with the backing of America went looking for this war... over Crimea, which means that Russia must be directly engaged, in Russia, of which Crimea is part of.
            
            That is the reality here, its total BS to think this was ever going to be anything other than an escalation into WW.  If America is not going to accept Russia keeping Crimea as part of Russia, and Russia is not going to accept anyone taking part of Russia from it... WWIII is coming.
            
            All the talk of Russia is planning to attack other nations is nonsense.
            
            They didn't in 2014, they didn't in 2004... Russia didn't do anything until Zelensky and Biden came along and said they were going to take Crimea back by force if necessary.
            
            Reality... a very unpopular thing in America and the UK these days, allows people to ignore what really happened and make up whatever suits their story.
            
            You can have opinions... and say yes I believe it is worth throwing away a millions lives to take back Crimea and give it to Ukraine, even though Crimea doesn't want to be part of Ukraine.
            
            You can say, I believe it is worth starting WWIII, and collapsing the world economy, ruining hundreds of millions of lives and killing tens of millions if need be, to take Crimea back from Russia.
            
            Hundreds of thousands have died already... and Ukraine is further away from taking Crimea back than they were before this started.
            
            The Minsk Accord should have been agreed to by Zelensky, peace should have been sought.  It wasn't... it still isn't... dooming more hundreds of thousands to perish.
            
            THAT is the reality.

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               JMickelsposted 19 months agoin reply to this

               Because Russia illegally annexed Crimea 9 years ago and the residents have settled in there no issue?   Your focus seems to be heavily on Crimea but that was not Putin's "justification" for his invasion of Ukraine.  Don't think mentioned it at all.

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