There's a new posse in town and Nancy is leading it!

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  1. Randy Godwin profile image92
    Randy Godwinposted 3 months ago

    Well the time has finally arrived when the cretin in the WH may just get his wings clipped. No longer has he a "yes man" such as Nunes and Ryan to protect him from his own misdeeds. I believe he has no idea what has just happened to him and his entire family with this change in the Congress.

    It will be very entertaining to watch him squirm under the investigations into his campaign, his businesses, his tax returns, his foundation (now defunct),and many other sleazy deals and practices he's well known for.  Thank goodness!

    1. promisem profile image95
      promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      I'm especially curious to see Trump's tax returns. I wonder why he is so obsessed with keeping them private.

      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
        JAKE Earthshineposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        promisem: Watch this condensed film about Trump, it's a SHOCKING eye opener and mandatory for everyone: Slowly but surely, the pieces seem to be coming together as prosecutors build the puzzle:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b6kYS66ck4

      2. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Do YOU post your tax returns and business papers online for the world to examine?  Would you if asked to by competitors?  Would you if asked by "especially curious" people that have zero right to your private IRS information?

        1. promisem profile image95
          promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          U.S. Presidents historically do, and I'm not the U.S. President.

          Are you opposed to transparency in government?

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            No, US presidents do NOT release their private financial and business information to the greedy eyes of competitors and the general public.  Check you history and count how many have done so - come back and THEN say it is "historically" true.

            Private financial information is not "transparency in government".  Whatever gives you the quaint notion that it is: that you are "curious" and want to see if you can find more political dirt on your president in his finances?

            1. promisem profile image95
              promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Again, are you opposed to transparency in government?

              Otherwise, utterly wrong and misleading.

              You know full well we are talking about every President and every candidate for the Presidency who have voluntarily released their tax returns to the public over decades.

              http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.n … TaxReturns

              Unlike Trump, they wanted to prove they are not crooks.

          2. GA Anderson profile image91
            GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Well Damn! Wilderness beat me too it again!

            But, since I looked up the dates, I will respond anyway - just for the hell of it.

            Your "historically" only goes back to Nixon in 1973, and that was probably, mostly, due to the Watergate investigation.

            That doesn't seem historical to me.

            And, I think the "transparency" thing is a bunch of hooey. Do you select your leader by the numbers in his portfolio? How would Lincoln have fared if that were the deciding criteria?

            Do you suppose the IRS is so inept that a legally disqualifying fact wouldn't be noticed?

            I think this taxes thing is just a stalking horse for the quest of another pile of rocks to throw.

            GA

            1. promisem profile image95
              promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Since when is 45 years of the American Presidency not history?

              1. GA Anderson profile image91
                GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                Well of course it is history. Yesterday is history. But, in the context of a statement that claims "historical" validation, my answer is:

                Since 60 years of presidents didn't release their returns vs. 45 years that did.

                Or, put another way, since more than half of our presidents, (since the 16th),  didn't release their returns, wouldn't that put the "historical" imprimatur on not releasing them?

                GA

                1. promisem profile image95
                  promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  So it's history if it's before 1973 but not history after 1973? I'm confused by your reply.

                  Instead of focusing on a single word, maybe you could expand on why you want a President under multiple investigations to keep hiding his tax returns.

                  1. GA Anderson profile image91
                    GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    You are right promisem, I did jump on the implication of one word.

                    And I admit that 45 years and eight successive presidents is a historical trend.

                    As for addressing this specifically to Pres. Trump and whatever investigation would benefit from disclosing his taxes, I think that would be for the investigators to demand.

                    I don't think the public has any right to demand they be released. Regardless of what other presidents have done.

                    GA

              2. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
                JAKE Earthshineposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                45 years and several presidents is more than enough time in history to establish precedent:

                Donald's excuse has been that he's under audit for which there is absolutely ZERO public evidence to prove, and he has also said in the past that it's a 'routine' audit, he gets audited every year:

                Sorry, but if a person gets audited every year there is usually something wrong, very suspicious but actually tax returns while extremely important is not what I'm interested in seeing the most:

            2. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Well GA, if the person running for president claims he's a deal maker extrordinaire' I expect him to prove it by some manner and not be afraid to back up his claims. Otherwise we end up where we are now with a crook in the Oval Office. But I do understand you're still riding the fence and won't get off until Bob makes you dismount. tongue

              1. GA Anderson profile image91
                GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                Ya got me Randy, I don't have a clue how that pertains to my comment.

                GA

                1. promisem profile image95
                  promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  Randy's comment is quite clear to me. He wants Trump to follow the tradition of the last 45 years to see if Trump's tax returns prove he is a successful businessman or a crook.

                  That was my point as well, especially considering the number of investigations into Trump's finances.

                  1. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    Its is absolutely amazing how Trump supporters and those that sit the "fence" can continue to make excuses for him.

                    His callous tirade against those federal employees and agencies victimized by the shutdown is anything but Presidential.

                    I don't care about his business concerns, he is President of the US, not a king or CEO. I think the idea of transparency is a gesture of good faith from one who claims to lead. Of course, it is ridiculous to talk of previous Presidents providing such information before there was an income tax.

                    Trump is the dumbest guy that I have ever seen hold the office and if he survives to the end of his first term, I would be astonished. He will fall though his own hand and mine will be clean.

                  2. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    Public evidence already proves Donald is a crook several times over, unforgivable sins to say the least: Trump University, Trump Foundation, Michael Cohen implicating him as co-conspirator to a "Conspiracy to Influence Our Presidential Election", he blatantly obstructs justice and abuses his power in broad daylight on global television as if he believes a crime committed in public is no crime at all, he encouraged our enemy Russia to commit espionage to further his political ambitions, sides with Vladimir Putin over our own intelligence agencies in Helsinki and according to reports, his company accepts private money from foreign governments through his hotels RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK and God knows what else is being uncovered by the criminal investigations !!

                    He's already a proven crook, the ONLY question to be answered now is how many serious felony crimes, acts of betrayal of the USA and or torts has he committed and will he get away with it, is he above the law or will he be prosecuted and penalized for his atrocities ??

                    The GOOD News ?? While crooked compliant republicans in the last congress tried desperately to protect this abomination and were wiped out in a Blue Democratic Wave of RIGHTEOUSNESS as a result, the new and improved congress led by Nancy "POWERHOUSE" Pelosi will investigate him and his family and will hold him accountable for the good of this nation:

        2. IslandBites profile image87
          IslandBitesposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          I guess he would if he runs for president. Is that right, promisem?

          1. promisem profile image95
            promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Exactly right, IslandBites. In fact, you have my word that I will release them if I run.  smile

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Now THAT'S a useful promise, isn't it? lol

              1. promisem profile image95
                promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                More useful than lying about the history of Presidential candidates who have released their tax returns for decades.

        3. Live to Learn profile image83
          Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Although I find it funny that those who bemoaned the Republicans control during the Obama years as obstructionist are now gleefully anticipating a democratic controlled House, I do think releasing tax returns is not too much to ask of a president. I wish he would just do it already.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            I rather wish he would too.  But I also recognize that he is under no obligation to do so, no matter HOW much the haters would like to have them.  Their desire to cause him political harm via his returns does not require that he make them public.

            1. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
              JAKE Earthshineposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Still desperately trying to defend an ugly, despicably evil person who is headed straight DOWN into the burning pit when God calls him ?? But have no fear wilderness, when his tax returns are finally revealed to the people which hopefully will be soon now that honesty, integrity and oversight of a madman have been restored to our house of representatives, I think we'll find that crooks usually neglect to disclose all pertinent information, especially when it pertains to crooked financial activity:

              The people already have an abundance of damning public evidence to swiftly move forward on impeachment and or immediate indictment of  this delusional 72 year old and that excludes the evidence uncovered by prosecutors in private which has yet to be made public:

              An indictment of Donald could be imminent by the NY AG however, they may try to co-ordinate with the Mueller investigation to ensure any and ALL criminal charges and or articles of impeachment are in order before action is taken to proceed:

    2. GA Anderson profile image91
      GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Randy, I grabbed your topic for an observation, not a position on your OP. A;though I might also weigh in on that.

      I watched her speech and swearing in.

      Oh gawwd! Really, bring in the childrennn..."

      Obviously I don't like Pelosi, or her politics, but this is about neither of those points.

      Bringing the childrennnn..." to the podium? Really?

      Come on Randy, are you really on board with that performance?

      To be fair, I would be just as pissed if a Repub had done that, but geesh, does she really think we are that dumb?

      I am only here for the childrennnn....

      GA

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        There were lots of children there today, GA. What do you have against children?

        1. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Damn brats! Children should be outlawed. Imprison them in the forest until they can feed themselves. Then only let them out when they can recite the pledge.

          That's what I have against children!

          And those damn adults that brought them out for a political photo op should be the kid's next meal.

          Damn kids! If they can't be Tarzan then to hell with them!

          Next question?

          GA

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            I don't like 'em either, GA!!  They probably all had their cell phones with them..

      2. PrettyPanther profile image84
        PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        "....does she really think we are that dumb?"

        I cannot believe, after two years of Trump, you are finally triggered enough to ask if Pelosi thinks we are that dumb.

        Really, GA? roll

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          GA likes riding the fence, Pretty. You see that occasionally when some do not want to commit themselves to making a judgement on something which may come back to bite them in the butt.


          I don't see how anyone who knew Trump's past could  even consider him being able to run a country, much less a business. If not for his dad and his siblings, his name would be unrecognizable today. They financed him after many failed business deals and he would be otherwise broke except for their loaning him money.


          The amount of ignorance from his advocates is astounding.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image84
            PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            The longer you sit on a fence, the more likely you will fall off on the wrong side and get eaten, eh?

            Taking a stand has rarely been more important for our nation than it is right now with this president.

            Just my opinion, of course.

        2. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Tsk. Tsk. PrettyPanther. Jumping to conclusions again.

          I usually follow the advice that there is seldom any gain in stating the obvious. I didn't follow it this time and look where it got me.

          GA

          1. PrettyPanther profile image84
            PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Fence sitting for two years must be hard. No problem jumping off on one side right from the get-go this time, eh?

            1. GA Anderson profile image91
              GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              When it comes to framing a demand as a Right or obligation - no problem at all.

              GA

              1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                Okay, but that's not what I was addressing. I was noting the absurdity of your comment, "....but geesh, does she really think we are that dumb?" After two years of fence sitting while Trump repeatedly expected we were dumb enough to swallow several lies per day, you jumped right down off that fence to critique Pelosi's first speech as speaker.

                I know, you just don't like her.

                big_smile

                1. GA Anderson profile image91
                  GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  You have a point PrettyPanther. And even worse, any rationalization I might try to offer could be tossed back at me ten-fold along the lines of your point.

                  Except one. I let my disdain for her as such an obvious political animal override my better sense. Mia Culpa.

                  GA

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                    PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    Ah, so you're human like the rest of us. ;-)

    3. GA Anderson profile image91
      GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      To pay my dues, I do have a thought on your OP Randy.

      My crystal ball says we may be in for a surprise. It says that we may see some sort of compromise on "the wall," and re-opening the government, where both will be able to take some credit.

      The bet is a virtual martini, you up for it?

      [EDIT] How about a 14 day time frame for that bet?

      GA

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Yep, Nancy will give him a bead curtain and he'll cave.....  And I knew you couldn't stop yourself from "having a thought", you never can.  hmm

        1. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          You are right Randy, I can't resist offering a thought. But at least....

          Can you predict what I was going to say Randy?

          You aren't one of those "either you with me or you're against me" folks are you?

          GA

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, you were going to tell me how intelligent I am!  tongue

            And also yes, you're either fer me, or agin me.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image84
              PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Randy, I'm fer ya. Please don't leave the forums again.  Your funny one-liners make me laugh. Sometimes. Lol

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                I won't  if I don't get banned again, Pretty.  At least Ed won't harass me anymore on the forums. smile

  2. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
    JAKE Earthshineposted 3 months ago

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    What was Governor Elect Mill's FIRST action in her new position ?? Unlike Bozo Trump and republicans who passed an abominably evil bill which allows the mentally ill to purchase firearms as their first action, Democratic Governor Mills EXPANDED Medicaid so 70,000 residents can afford vitally important health insurance that they never had before: VIVE La Resistance !! :

    That's called Swift POSITIVE Change for Americans Courtesy of the Big Blue Progressive Democratic WAVE:

    "Mills’ ‘Executive Order 1’ makes 70,000 more Mainers eligible for health insurance"

    "The Democrat had vowed to expand Medicaid on 'day one' of her administration, almost 14 months after voters approved it."

    https://www.pressherald.com/2019/01/03/ … expansion/

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, the former gov. was a piece of crap and is now fleeing to Fla. where no one will know him.  Corrupt as hell he was!!

      He is simply one example of several corrupt governors who need to go hide their faces somewhere. My own state governor included...

 
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