Is there room in society for those who committ sexual crime
I recently read a report that states that over 90% of sexual crimes committed by members of Religious orders was Homophilia, this is adult men and women sexually abusing children of their own sex, men abusing boys, women abusing girls, peadophilia is something totally different.
A child is a child if unwanted sex is used on a child it is peadophilia period!
Here's an article that appeared today about the woman who accused the Duke Lacrosse team of rape several years ago. This may have been the most publicized rape case in recent years.
Duke lacrosse accuser charged with attempted murder, arson
Crystal Mangum
Posted: Feb. 18, 2010
Updated: Feb. 18 6:31 p.m.
Durham, N.C. — Durham police late Wednesday arrested the woman who four years ago falsely accused three Duke University lacrosse players of raping her.
Crystal Mangum assaulted her boyfriend, set his clothes on fire in a bathtub and threatened to stab him, investigators said.
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Duke lacrosse accuser arrested
She was in the Durham County jail under a $1 million bondMangum, 33, has been appointed a public defender and is scheduled to appear in court on Feb. 22.
Police charged her with attempted first-degree murder, five counts of arson, assault and battery, communicating threats, three counts of misdemeanor child abuse, injury to personal property, identity theft and resisting a public officer.
Shortly after 11:30 p.m., police received a 911 call about a domestic dispute at 2220 Lincoln St. Authorities said they believe the call came from one of the three children inside the house.
When officers arrived, they found Mangum and her boyfriend, Milton Walker, 33, fighting. According to police documents, Mangum scratched, punched and threw objects at Walker and told him, "I'm going to stab you, (expletive)!"
She then went into a bathroom and set his clothes on fire in the bathtub, police said. Officers called the fire department to put out the flames. No one was injured.
Milton was not charged, police said. The three children inside the house, ages 3, 9 and 10, were not injured.
Officers said Mangum gave them a fake name, "Marella Mangum," and age, prompting the identity theft charge. She also resisted the officers who responded to the scene, according to police documents. She has been ordered to have no contact with Walker.
Mangum – who penned her memoir, "Last Dance for Grace," in 2008 – was a student at North Carolina Central University in 2006 and also worked as an exotic dancer when she performed at the now-infamous Duke lacrosse party.
It was there, she claimed, that three white members of the team trapped her inside a bathroom and raped and sexually assaulted her.
The three players were indicted on rape and other charges on the basis of her allegations and were eventually exonerated after North Carolina's attorney general dismissed the charges.
The case ultimately cost former Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong his job and he was later disbarred. He also spent a night in jail for lying to a Superior Court judge.
Several players in the Duke lacrosse case, including Duke Unviersity and the North Carolina Attorney General's Office, declined to comment on the case.
Nifong could not be reached for comment.
"My heart goes out to her," Joseph Cheshire, who represented one of the accused lacrosse players. "Mostly, I worry about her children."
Authorities say the children are in the care of other family members.
"We hope that the courts will adjudicate this case with fairness and without bias," Vincent Clark, Mangum's publisher, said in a statement. "Nevertheless, we support Crystal in her effort o heal from abuse and past injustices,"- lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
0Sadly there is room - look around, the offenders are everywhere so its really not is there room rather is there going to be made more room as they grow in numbers? Sorry. They've already got all the room they desire and will continue to and nothing will ever convince me anything will change, just worsen as we watch the pain.
Alota I think maybe you don't. For a start consent is the central issue at trial. In matters such as my own, what happens when a woman gets caught after a liaison with an instructor and then waits to go to another nightclub, cries rape, then is seen dancing and flirting on a stage with six police instructors, rubbing each others bodies? I got sold down the river because of one persons desire not to be dismissed from the Academy simply because she got caught. So the only issue at trial was consent. The Judge directs that each count is considered seperatly. Now there was no break in the allegations. No break of five minutes etc, each count followed the other in time. The evidence of consent came from her, she stated she was injured and the Crown used the injury as evidence of non-consent. The Court of Appeal found that the guilty verdicts could stand based on that evidence. Then there were the not guilty - again based on her evidence of non-consent. Now appeals are based on points of law - if the jury is properly instructed, then to bad so sad, conviction remains. So when I was released, I commenced my own submission to the NSW Supreme Court. The evidence that I placed on this site was strong enough for the Crown Solicitors office to submit it to the Crown Advocate for an adjudication as to whether this woman committed perjury. Imagine that, a Crown official asking for a direction - what was the reply. The evidence is hearsay and under the new laws (the evidence now being presented after amendments to law) the evidence is now inadmissible - now inadmissible - but if it where available before - she would have been arrested. So believe me when I say that you point about people believing I am guilty. Because they would rather protect a woman whom they now have irrefutable proof has committed perjury - because if I am exonerated, the flood gates will open. Does our justice system serve two master - the judiciary and the government - my oath. But I also take serious offence to the slur about posting anything. The evidence posted here was from police sources - sources of unimpeachable character - the evidenced place here has also been submitted to the Supreme Court - I didn't just type it up as a means of garnishing some form of support - this is evidence that form an application to have my matter re-heard. I am no good at poetry, can't write that stuff - but what I am good at is sitting here, returning fire on ignorant people who claim this wealth of knowledge and simply show ignorance by their comments. Not so much as a parking ticket - then arrested - and in the time from release - not so much as a parking ticket - as I shaped my life on the protection of the community and keeping my own personal integrity in tact. I had a liaison in off duty hours - she got caught - then stated I assaulted her. If you think for one second that I am going to then breach my own personal values and simply put evidence onto this site for any reason your sadly mistaken. My guess is you were let down by the justice system, or conversely work in the justice system - might even be a lawyer? That being the case, you would then know the serious implications of placing lies, untruths and misinformation onto such sites - if it were untrue, then the alleged victim would be able to sue my backside off. So no, everything you see has been submitted to the Supreme Court, tested and is now public record and therfore as I said, this evidence was placed forward for her to be investigated for perjury - so if you don't like what I am writing, don't read it. If you want to say I am guilty thats fine - your opinion is noted. But I am not hear for any reason other than educating those who think that victims don't lie. Like teaching, you can teach most but some remain ignorant. If I get my side out, then I have accomplished someone - but don't think for one second I am trying to garnish sympathy - education through truth - you either read from what happened and learn things or judge and attack me - your choice. beautiful thing choices, we own them and we take responsibility for the actions from our choices. Thats what happened to me and I am now putting out there for all to read. Your chocie to read and comment. But because you think I am wasting my time - and probably a hell of a lot of people think the same way - but some out there actually want to know what happens in the real world. Welcome to the real world.
- Stevennix2001posted 15 years ago0
i think i said this earlier, but i'll say it again. there is a place for sex offenders. its called JAIL OR PRISON. sometimes refered to by it's slang terms THE BIG HOUSE, THE JOINT, and THE SLAMMER.
So do you think that people all of a sudden wake up and think 'Hey I am going to rape someone today?" And if I hear "jury of my peers" one more time I will throw up. Lets talk about juries shall we - jury pannelling - you have three objections each, prosecution and defense. Then there are twelve people, most between the ages of 35 - 45, most not wanting to be there. There were two young fellows on my jury perving at the female stenographer and writing comments to each other and laughing. Now these twelve people have to listen to judicial direction and then interpret. Hence why juries put forward compromised verdicts that are overturned on appeal - because of the direction given and the verdicts returned after the direction. Now in my matter, the woman stated she did not consent to any advances, stating that I dragged her 150 metres and assaulted her and yet the jury stated there was consent and at some point withdrawn. My question - how??? If this woman stated she did not consent and they found there was consent - well enough said - the appeal was based on compromised verdicts and could not be reconcilled with the not guilty verdicts delivered. The Court of Appeal stated that the jury had been properly instructed and understood the directions from the bench - to bad son get on with it. But I will give you an example of how ridiculous this system really is. I arrested a male for shoot with intent to cause grevious bodily harm and possess shortened firearm when he went to a house after a drug deal went sour and wanted his money. He was armed with a sawn-off M1 carbine - he meant business. He knocked on the front door and the victim answered. The offender asked for his money, the victim refused, so he shot him. The bullet struch him in the groin, missing an artery. There was a struggle over the weapon with further rounds discharging. A neighbour came over and struck the offender, knocking him to the ground and he held him there. We arrived a very short time later, the offender still on the ground, the weapon left in situ for analysis. Now the offender was residue tested on scene and this came back positive for residue so he had fired a weapon recently. The weapon was there, with his prints on it, and the victim of course, had been shot. The offender entered pleas of not guilty. At trial, the Crown put forward all of the evidence to the jury. Now we all know how bullets are fired - it is common sense stuff - but the verdict returned - guilty shoot with intent, not guilty possess firearm. Now the offender took the matter to the Appeals court and his arguement, how can he have shot someone without possessing the firearm - the Court agreed and this man walked free - getting away with nearly killing a man because of the stupidity of 12 people. What did they think he did - flick the bullet. The Appeal courts were scathing of the decision - the jury properly instructed but the Appeals court at a loss as to how this verdict was reached. It was explained the the evidence was the victim saw the weapon, was shot by the weapon, the witness removed the weapon and held the offender - and that the possession had been established. How in heavens name then did this jury come to such a ridiculous conclusion?? We will never know - but that is just one tale of many regarding completely ludicrous decisions from juries.
These people are not my peers, they are forced to enter into jury service and are penalised if they do not. We have an antiquated system that seems to perpetuate stupidity and I say that knowing I have personally arrested people for crimes only to see them weazle their way out via some obscure technicality. So what is the answer - professional legal juries - people who have law knowledge and accredited - it will create thousands of jobs and allow people who want to sit on juries to do so. The judge is in control of his court - and the appeals system is still in place - but forcing people is not the answer.Not Guilty, I am a very tolerant person, I listen, I give people space, but I have to say you really do protest too much, why dont your write some poetry or something, I have already read some great prison poetry on the hubs why dont you do something positive becaue to be honest with you I think you are protesting too much and I am being very kind when I say that.
And Alota if by your reference you are misquoting Hamlet, let me clarify for you, what, suprised that someone as ignorant as I would not know of Shakespeare? Thats right rapists come from all walks of like don't they - so let me clarify. By protest, in Shakespeare, Gertrude doesn't mean "object" or "deny" — these meanings postdate Hamlet. The principal meaning of "protest" in Shakespeare's day was "vow" or "declare solemnly," a meaning preserved in our use of "protestation." When you are saying that I am protesting too much, you are meaning that I object so much as to lose credibility. So I ask, what scale do you put on preserving your name - it is all I have on this earth so what price do you put on your name, your identity? To what end would you go to preserve that? Obviously you would roll over and lie down - or judging by what you have written just cop it on the chin and start writing poetry. But what of the others that "protest too much" the Guildford Bombers, Reuben Hurricane Carter, all found guilty by juries of their peers and sentenced to prison terms - did they protest too much? But these are high profile cases, mine is not - just a man trying his best to right something. Another quote that has some significance to me and highlights my struggle, in the Crucible, John Proctor has a chance to beat the gallows by signing a confession - "Because it is my name! Because I cannot have another in my life! Because I lie and sign myself to lies! Because I am not worth the dust on the feet of them that hang! How may I live without my name? I have given you my soul; leave me my name!"
But instead of poetry and quotes, I will leave you with this quote - "Ignorance is just someone hiding the fact they are unintelligent."
Oh, and thanks for being kind - the sarcasm was not lost.And Alota - my guess is you are a Crown official of some type - maybe a prosecutor or someone who works in that environment. judging by the slur regarding prison poetry -
definitely in the Crown law system - nice hub about being 16 and in Westminister - whilst I am labelled one thing, how you have portrayed yourself in your hub - well we have labels for that too.
I do actually hate to admit it, but I did - credit where credit is due - so I do take back any innuendo as that is clearly not the case here - I understand you are not swayed and that will be the case forever with alot of people -it would be ignorant of me not to acknowledge that. But Alota - yes I did read your hubs and yes I did enjoy them and yes I did laugh. I do thankyou for your candour and I do respect your opinion.
Not Guilty, I honestly wish you well, but I think you need to focus your energies on something positive, this case will simply eat your heart out, leave it behind, thats not easy I know, but look, you have an audience here for your writing, so move forward, leave the past behind, I have no idea if your guilty or not and to be honest I dont care, but what I do know is that there are people here who are interested in your writing, poetry, what ever you have to offer, and simply because I am not interested in the details of your case does not mean that I am not interested in your writing, thats all Im saying, it matters not to me whether you did or did not, the vast majority of people who committ sexual crime will never be charged so I am not one that points the finger at anyone, but I say again, focus on your writing for your not going to get any retrial here.
Have written a new hub - see what you think - your advice has not gone ignored - many thanks for the reality check.
No, off with their heads and genitals, hack them off with a rusty screw driver...!!!!!
One thing I have not seen in this thread is that in a great many interviews done with sex offenders is that they will do it again if released into society.
Child molesters can behave in prison because there are no children there to tempt them, early release for good behavior is a joke.
There is no cure because once a predator always a predator.
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