Is it enough punishment to help safeguard our children? Not to mention our adults?
As often as rape occurs, sex offenders still do less time in prison than drug traffickers.
Given we know sex offenders attack primarily for the violence, and not the sexual gratification, would castration be enough to stop the horrific act of sexual offenses? Clearly yes to a point, my fear is they would still act accordingly, with different means.
Personally I would shoot them the second the mallet goes down with a guilty verdict. Right there in the courtroom. I don;t see that law being passed anytime soon, besides, our legal system is far too happy to release these criminals with a distribution to members surrounding their new nice home that he is a sex offender.
gee. how proactive, and so the neighbors must accept this.
Should we try helping deter them with castration?
Hubbing this issue and your thoughts are much appreciated
Castrate, yes or no?
i equate rape to be as good as murder..while in murder physical body dies , in rape a person's self esteem suffers and at times trauma and scars live life long..have read about cases where rape victims couldnot live normal sex lives with their partners because of one event..it is not just an offense but a serious offense and i believe in capital punishment for the same..
As do I, good point, and very true. Should we castrate immediately though? Even before imprisonment? The animals behaviors usually persist in Jail as well.
Do you know these offenders go to not maximum security but medium or minimum security now!!!!!!!!!!!!
Worse, they are no longer segregated and placed with the other inmates ie; drug trafficking, robberies, assaults, etc. I visited my partner at the time when he was moved from maximum security to medium security and sure enough he was sick and very angry, like the others to even have to eat with these offenders, imagine having to share your cell?
One good thing is many other convicts like to use them as punching bags. at least a little justice there!
Yes Yes Yes i have started a group on my facebook page
"protect our kids bring back capital punishment"
What we have to understand is what to do with the lower grade offenders. I mean i have heard of people pissing on the street after a night on the booze having to sign a register for 6 months. Those who choose to rape kids woman or men should be put to sleep as the victims have had their life ruined by these creeps
Oh you are truly wonderful, please can I support your page? Do you have a link?
What about stoning and/or the rack? The Taliban has the right idea for dealing with these kinds of crimes.
I think we need much more severe jail terms for such people. Of course we have to be careful we don't lock up people that aren't really sex offenders, for example an 18 year old that has consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend should go to jail for life for rape. Violent sex offenders should perhaps be put away for life though. Statistics show these people have higher recidivism rates than non sex offenders, they simply can not control their urges, and as such should not be allowed to walk free among their potential victims.
Actually, these men [not women though] are given a drug which is legal to all inmates, more so to those sex predators, that actually lessens their sexual desire while in prison, for obvious reasons.
But not once released into society.
Interestingly enough these predators are segregated during their 6 week step down process in a criminally insane psychiatric ward, where they are given a warm bed and good food, no hint of rehabilitation, still.
My theory is jail is like thinking of aa prisoner like dirty laundry It goes in for the wash and comes out dirtier.
I wish I had the answers so much, for our children, but I agree a life sentence is an amazing suggestion. Screw the innocent loss, There are currently 13% of men and women on death row, this minute. No one cares because they know the rest are guilty, and they need to know lethal injection is coming to them.
So I feel no different here. Would you convict a murder to life? Yes Well I think raping a 6 year old is neither worse or better. He has murdered her while she spends a lifetime with shame and trauma. I wonder which is worse?
Murder is definitely worse. One can always overcome trauma eventually if they are alive long enough, not that they would ever forget. Still a violent crime like rape of a six year old is as violent as a murder, only the result is different, and one shouldn't get a pass for a result that is only due to good fortune, that person is still violent and probably always will be so shouldn't be free.
What about women sex offenders? Seems to me most of the recent headlines have been about women teachers having sex with their teenage boy students.
I agree Ralph, it certainly raises an issue that thank fully is now getting more publicity and am lost for thought! I reckon life in prison I could live with here also. Rash? Yes. But my mind is on the victim solely I suppose. Could care less about the perpetrators life.
That's not a sex offense, that's something to brag about!
Yeah if the teachers are hot and not some granny, it would have been just my luck to get the granny when I was at school!
Good job of flipping the script. I think our poster here probably hates men, I'd certainly have to be full of hatred to suggest that mutilation is a fit punishment for anyone. As if the death penalty wasn't barbaric enough, I'm actually offended that this post even exists.
many sexual offenders are impotent, castrating won't do the trick....Castration NO, Execution YES.
I sure like how you think, must admit!
You've not heard of Cameron Todd Willingham, have you; were you strapped to a gurney with lethal drugs being forced into your veins as an innocent person, C.J., perhaps then you'd recognize how stupid you comment was.
Realy? Stupid? Not at all. Who said anything about executing innocent people? Don't change the subject of the OP and personally attack others in the forums. This is NOT a debate of the death penalty.
It should be obvious to you, Sir, that if an innocent man can be executed; then an innocent man could be castrated as well.
This is the most horrific, stupid, and offensive post I've ever seen on this website, and that by so very far that the next to it isn't even memorable.
Please see my Profile. I am not certain I did this correctly, but if I did, you can see my position - - and why - - on the issue of surgical castration for male sex offenders. Hopes this helps.
Yes. Surgical castration would cauterize the sex offenders illness and prevent them from acting on their sexual urges ever again.
Believe it or not. Castration would not work for many. The problem is physchological and not simply a physical urge. The issue is that these people can be evaluated and it can be determined which ones are simply too dangerous to be set free. Now its just a matter of what to do with them. Right now we are declaring teenagers as sex offenders for sex under the bleachers. We are ruining the lives of people before they even get started.
I think that it's morally repugnant that someone would think that mutilation is a fit punishment for anyone, perhaps you should move to Iran?
Nope ! No castration , no GPS . Snuff em out permanently.
You're assuming that the sex offender is a male.
You are being too general. There are a wide variety of reasons a person is labeled a sex offender. It could be an 18 y.o. kid having sex with his 16 y.o. girlfriend. Her parents flip out, and he's labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life. For me, my father is a sexual addict currently spending 7 yrs. for possession of child pornography. He is not a pedophile, according to the law, his therapist, AND the medical community, has never directly or physically hurt a child (including me growing up, my cousins daughters, or my children or any child). He has an addiction that went unknown for almost 45 years because people like you stand in judgement. Many sex offenders suffer from addiction and mental disorders. I do not condone or dismiss the severity of what my father did, nor do I make apology, but he spent years as a wonderful father, caring and generous man, and good person. He also wasn't always into the child porn. It started w/Playboy, moved to adult movies and pics., and finally this in the last few years. It is like alcoholism, a progressive illness that CAN (and in his case) HAS responded to treatment.Let me state that rapists, child molesters, and others that commit sexual offenses, should be punished with imprisonment, but also remember that many of them have families who had no idea what was going on and still love and support them. Keep this in mind the next time you decide all "offenders" should be mutilated.
Regarding child molesters....
A guy back East was caught molesting a child, he was offered prison time OR cut off his penis and fingers, knowing what would happen to him in prison, he had his penis removed. The sad part about this is the sick bastard will use a foreign object on a child.
As much as i want to say they should be castrated, so many people now-a-days are labeled as sex offenders for simply urinating in a public spot, hell a lot of people get labeled as sex offenders just from urinating in there own yard. So when you say all sex offenders my answer would be no, if you were to say all who have been charged with Rape or any other serious crime then yes i do feel like they should be castrated! I recently read an article where a guy was trying to have sex with his cat. Apparently it failed sorry i have never tried this so i personally don't know how but anyways he got very mad at not being able to and ended up tossing his cat and the porn he was watching out the 10th story window! This man yes needs to go to prison for a long time and be castrated
Sex offenders should be taken into the psychiatric experiment room that appeared in the series LOST. Leave them there for three days in a row every week! It's a mental disease so castrating won't do a thing. They can still harm people with their hands, weapons, anything they can use. I say FRY THEIR BRAINS! lol
I don't think a psychiatric experiment room can heal a victim of rape or rather can do any good to the family of the victim. I don't know much about your country but here in Zambia, rapist are sent in jail for more than 20 years. A sex offender is a murderer and must be separated from the community!
Chola, I was joking. Incredible to hear that in Zambia they have more common sense than in the US. However, in twenty years when they get out, they'll go back to do the same thing. It's a mental disease that can't be cured. They should be locked up for life... or taken to the psychiatric experiment lab from LOST. lol
Surgically removing a sex offenders testicles and penis will permanently prevent any more sexual thoughts or urges. Please see my post to understand.
I just said this in another post before I ran across yours. It is true, they will hurt the child anyway they can. I honestly believe child molesters should have a big tatoo/brand on their faces, warning others to avoid me and watch your children around me. I wished we could drop them off on an island, dont feed them, just let them die off.
I think that sex offenders are damaged individuals who need help. That being said, there are a vast range of different 'offenses' that come under the heading of sex offender; recently in the UK a man touched a police womans butt and was convicted and put on the sex offenders list. Such misuse and abuse of an act that should be to protect the public is beyond shameful and highlights the problems of this kind of legislation that can be abused by such pathetic women. On the other hand a sex offender who has repeatedly attacked children may be sick but would be better removed from society - and shooting them is a good enough way for me.
But first we have to sort out what is a sexual crime.
I hear you, but if let's say 11 percent of charges were like grabbing someone's butt, hard to believe a jury would find this to be convicted on, furthermore I say so what 11% loss is an acceptable sacrifice for those who rape 6 year olds.
I can live with the 11% loss!
Thanks for commenting!
As you pointed out, rape is about violence, control and power--not about sex. I don't see the point in castrating them unless they're pedophiles. From what I've read, there is no cure for pedophilia. Castrate the buggers.
If we come up with an idea that involves maime and torture to these sicko freaks, then that would be better.
Nail them to the roofs of buildings and use them for target practice.....lots of money is wasted on these sick headed fookers trying to reabilitate them, so why not cut the money and chop their arms and legs off and kick their heads into a pit!
No. They need help Kim. Psychiatric help. Castration is not going to achieve anything; In fact, it will only further damage and distort them mentally. Violence is not a cure - and thats what they need the most. One must never forget, they were children once too. And most of them were abused themselves. Sorry, but that's just how I feel.
Yes, try this first, but if it doesn't work, then blow them up with a grenade to save some money!!!!
Your answer was way cooler from my question section
but on a serious note, here we go starting another war... this time against sex offenders...! Never enough reasons to destroy and take life....
No. Sorry, people. I still think they need help. Serious, help yes. But at least, a chance at it before everyone decides to close the door once and for all.
edit: thx kim. Take care
If you were the victim, or if a sex offender raped your daughter or son, you wouldn't feel that way.
that's just the kind of logic wars are started on...so I know what you mean. But I work as a psychologist and nothing in the world will convince me otherwise...that everyone deserves a chance in life before we write them off as dead.
edit: I better get out of this thread before everyone kills me!
Life in prison is still a life and a chance at redemption. There must be consequences for any act, and appropriate punishment. Knowing these in advance should be enough for one to control their actions.
I would agree with something like fraud, maybe they learned their lesson and won't do it again, but with sick headed pedos, they is tapped in the head to begin with and this deserves no redemption as there is no cure!
Of course it does, anyone can change however unlikely. Violent sex offenders, pedophiles, and murders should be allowed to achieve that redemption in prison where they should stay.
Absolutely, history shows us in no uncertain terms there is no rehabilitation for sex offenders, and it grows more violent with each assault ON F******* 6 years old
Give em an injection, and not the good kind I say
Thanks Wayne, good point
Wars were started by crazed maniacs that would go from one city to the next killing people and raping women. This dates back to the stories from the Old Testament. If you can't kill them, then they need to be locked up for life. However, it would be our responsibility to look after their wellfare. Our tax dollars would have to pay for their food, housing, medical needs, etc. I wouldn't want any sex offender loose. There is no treatment for these sex deviants. They will go back to raping eventually.
is it also for the reasons you agree they can be rehabilitated,? (this is really helping with 'real' opinions on this issue for a hub, so I appreciate it)
There are several reasons Kim, you mentioned one of them. They can be wrongly sentenced, too. And remember, 17yo sleeping with 15yo is a sex offender, too. Just to name a few.
Seriously a 17 year old is a sex offender OMG
Still bad but do they get sheeted as one, clearly not being 18 they can't go to prison
On the flip side that's when to help an offender I think. At that stage deal with the reasons why he would be attracted to a 14 year old? Avoid the future.
I think you hit on something I had not considered. Surely offenders have early warning signs that are most likely kept secret within the family ie; even incest at teen or earlier years
why are we not addressing this issue even publicly for this age group?
You know, you made a point earlier, speaking only for myself, and no, I have not been separating emotion from reason. I am really going to take a big breath and see if I can put emotion in the back rather than the front driving force.
Thanks a lot Misha
Misha, isn't that sickening???? That would basically mean that both of my grandfathers, who were married to my grandmother's for their entire adult lives. . . . . were sex offenders.
FUCK THAT, THE LAW IS WHAT IS SICK THE ONLY THING SICKER IS THE PROPOSAL OF THIS SICK, OFFENSIVE POST
~takes ten deep breaths~
WE NEED A WAR!
Until this issue is addressed head on, directly, honestly, nothing will ever change, realizing it won't happen in a thread, but maybe someone out there needs this validation as a victim, or a offender sees how much some want them killed at best!
Have you seen these lock up help wards MOW? Have you been in them? I have and had to face the reality of confessions that 'this was better than any home I have lived in and The drugs are great!
In addition smoking weed and crack is ramped and "doctors" look away because they do after all need their recreation and stress reducers.
MOW my point is there is no help. And it would only start an uproar for all other charged felons, which is fair, bla bla blaI can't imagine you saying this MOW, I just can't
But do love you
Seriously, why should we spend our tax dollars in feeding and giving life to someone who will go back to raping the minute he gets out of jail?
Because man can't be trusted to administer punishment justly, only God can. Many innocents have already been killed at the hands of fallible man.
I think they shouldn't try to help them at all, because once they do it once they are likely to do it again when they get the chance, so off with their heads!
but I don't share your compassion. If it was your daughter tainted for life, could you hope for him help? Feel pity what he has been through???????????????
Many of us and men very often were violently abused, it's our culture, take what you want, however the majority of people even repeatedly and violently abused as children do not strike out and do that to someone else, how could they, not even being able to think of sex 30 years later from post traumatic stress.
Sorry MOW yes they need help. I just think they would be wasting tax payers money and they are known to be a lifetime of repeat offenders, and can be because the punishment does not accommodate that very issue
Love you though, good to see you
Very insightful look into this issue, However, as possibly food for thought, please see my Profile. I am not certain I did this correctly, but if I did, you can see my position - - and why - - on the issue of surgical castration for male sex offenders. Hopes this helps.
It would achieve nothing, Kim, since sex offences are acts of violence.
Wrong. It would achieve something. Clearly I am aware it is about the violence, but I ain''t buying it Do you mean this act doesn't affect a man to loose his penis?
It would not fix much but would affect much, and thats a start, or what other solution would you recommend?
As far as I know, castration has nothing to do with the penis, but with testicles. I have no 'solution,' but don't see the real advantage of such a surgery.
It'd be expensive for the taxpayers, as well. These 'people' are terribly sick and should be treated as such.
xo right back at ya, girl!
OH FINE GET TECHNICAL!
DANG I'd have a party cutting off all 3 or 4 depending on your faith
Talking about castration... let's talk about the CASTRATTO - Did you know that during the Baroque period they use to cut the balls off young men (before puberty) to have them retain their boy's soprano voice so they could sing in the range of women even as adults?
How about a jail castratto choir?! lol
ok..ok... everyone, you can have your war and all.... (hey, waynet, put that grenade away, I promise I'm leaving!). But I'm not saying I forgive sex offenders or believe in setting them free. Please no. There is nothing worse than child abuse and there is no way in hell I can even sympathize. All Im saying is that castration is not the answer and that before you decide to 'kill' them, at least, offer them psychological help. Not too much to ask for... or I suppose, it is.
p.s. thx Misha...
Nope not too much to ask at all. Give them help because we too will gain knowledge which can be used to identify people with those proclivities and how to treat them. As long as this is done while they are serving their life sentence I'm all for it.
But unfortunately their is no rehabilitation of any kind nor hospitalizing the criminally insane????????
There is no help, a psychiatrist like MOW understandably feels different, and girl your compassion is what will make you undoubtably help many people
I understand that treatment success of pedophiles has perhaps mixed results, however that doesn't mean that a treatment can't be found that is effective, or that we can't learn something from treatment. If we are going to put these people in jail for life, we should at least try to gain something of positive value from it.
One of my best friends is a prison guard. She started being very compassionate and now has grown immune to it. When you look into the eyes of a rapist and you deal with him every single day you realize there is nothing you can do for him. They give you nothing to work with. Their actions are so despicable, and the victim's suffering is so deep-rooted that after a while all your compassion becomes disgust. I am sorry. I consider myself a very compassionate person, but when you compare the aftermath of a rape to the human aspect of a rapist, you realize one exceeds the other. There is no way to help them. Sorry!
So true, I would literally just tremble walking into that jail, the second one, I saw them, guards were laughing and giving them smokes. No segregation
They should be sorry, not you, and what a job!
Off for a bit
You all are sooooo helpful
Thanks plenty brb!
Here in Ohio most of the sexual predators are not reported to us, the neighbors. Only the worst are. Some of them are not violent, some are young and caught up in the system wrongfully (a 19 year old for having sex with a sixteen year old). We have to seek then out on our Sheriff's Website, a daunting task.
some of the pedophiles are real smoothies, conmen or women and don't need to use violence. this is for the most part incurable as any Dr. will attest to. Apart from any violence, they need to be locked up for life. IMHO Rapists can go straight to hell.
OMG ralwus, that is terrifying.
And all to common here in Canada too!
Nice world, aside from a few other things.
It's funny, I love music videos and I tend to listen to a lot of rap, but most genres lyrics are of sexual nature, as we know. That's not to mention visually.
It occurred to me North America thrives on sexual tools as a message. Thus clearly demonstrating, are we at all fighting this issue or constantly saying it's ok, look at our country one might say; sex is a good thing, pimps, strippers etc. but if a young teen sensitive to observing all this more than the norm, may be in fact promoting do what you want.
I am aware we won't change things in our messages.
But I fail to remember anyone adding an extra message that says we need to educate our children.
One of my siblings attends SLA (sex and love addicts anonymous) can I tell you I have gone to a few of these self help groups with him and it terrified me. It also was infectious to promote sex. Many are rapists my court order,, they must get a signature from group chairman for parole officer. That's not what bothers me. When the group closes, you have 40 or 50 sex addicts or abusers socializing outside, and what I heard makes me want to cry.
Guess no one is taking this issue to the forefront in a major way on mass levels. Sad. We do the opposite, I suspect no one wants to talk about this.
I wish I ad the money to do so. I do however have the pen to have a voice, maybe I'll think of something
This may be for Aids, but imagine it was for our children, just really can relate this way just as an idea)
PS am getting jealous every time I look at your avatar, sorry just a side note. Needed a break from thinking of Hell, meaning not to take from an important issue like this.
I say cut it off - sex offenders can not be fixed or helped or anything - once one- always one - maybe we should put em all on a little island with a bottle of gasoline and a match
On the topic of castration...if they hurt a young kid...they should be castrated at the neck. For all other sex offenses...I have a great idea...how about letting the victims decide. For a violation aginst the victims body against the victims will...Something has to be castrated on the perpetrator. They get to decide!
They need to learn that 'No' means 'No'..I hate it when abusers force their will on weaker individuals.
The punishment should fit the crime. Murderers should be murdered. Sex offenders should have it cut of. plain and simple. Then thrown under the jail for sixty years.
Maybe by then they will be too old and feeble to hurt anybody else.
If I couldn't control my sexual impulses, I'd want to be castrated.
Interesting thread, Kimberly.
Like many others here, I don't think castration would solve anything much.
Murder has a finality to it (except for the victim's family, of course). Whereas a serious sex offender is committing a much slower death (or at the very least, a screwed-up life) for their victims. Life in prison and perhaps a frontal lobotomy is the only suitable punishment...no leniency...first offense..gone.
I suppose it's possible to get to some of these offenders if you intervene while they're younger, but since a great many of them were abused children themselves, I suspect the seed will already be sown and there may be no turning back.
Perhaps there are too many sexual images used in advertising, however, like any other media imagery, it's only going to incite people that are already on the edge...not relatively 'normal' people who were brought up right.
You're quite right, it needs to be brought out in the open and discussed a lot more than it is now. You go girl
P.S. Talk to me Kim, I haven't heard from ya in a while now.
In my opinion this topic is one of the most ridiculous in memory.
I find it ironic how easy rapists have it, while the victim and family suffer far beyond.
No it is not.
Their arms, legs and tiny peckers should be chopped off and they should be made into wibbly wobblies that don't have lives and just sit their with dog turd to eat for the rest of their sick little lives.....killing them is too easy...making an example of these sickos is the only way....
A friend of mine had a conversation with a lawyer a few years ago. The lawyer was known for unseating incompetent judges. The lawyer told my friend a story about a 12 year old boy who begged a judge to not return him to his foster parents. The boy claimed that the foster dad...raped him every night.
The judge ignored the child's pleas and the boy managed to run away. The streets became his parent.
The lawyer admitted to my friend that the boy was himself.
He told my friend that the system of justice has to be repaired before people can be repaired.
He also said that judges are almost impossible to remove from their benches. They must be voted out.
You seriously think US presidents should be castrated? Ok, maybe you are right!
Tom, I think the ballsy ones were sex offenders.
Do you want an asexual slug for President?
Michelle carries Barry's in her purse!
Being a survivor of both child abuse and rape..I know from experience form myself and other survivors i have met through my website, the effect on people after a rape is life long..we have been given a life sentence, we are unable to commit to others, trust others, mantain a relationship with out a lot of work and hurt and pain, mentel health issues are common as well as addictions to try and cover the pain and shame caused by these hidious people.
We have been given a life sentence so why shouldnt they be given the same.
I do not think that castration would make a blind bit of diference...
If someone wants to take control have power over hurt some one to get sexual gratification they will find another way to do it, you will never stop the rapist/abuser from doing these things by those means.
In my opinion those who abuse children should be shot! fullstop no iffs or buts about it. Those who abuse men or woman should also be shot! of at least locked up for life and the key thwon away.
I have just read this entire post and would be curious to know how many posters suffered at the hands of a sexual pervert.
I was the victim of sexual abuse(I have wrote a hub on my experiance so won,t go into detail here) I am sitting here now reliving the nightmare of that night.So to answer one comment I read yes you can learn to live with it but it always with you I should know, my abuse was over 40 years ago and while reading this forum I was right back there as a young boy.
For all those against castration you get some old pervert to (and I don,t mean to be crude)stick his dick in your mouth and then tell me you don,t want it cut off the b*****d.
Wow.... That's a HARD Act to Follow
This problem is Not completely restricted and owned by Men!
I was Very Touched by My French teacher at college.. She was only maybe 5 years older; but throughout that senior year.. She was very passionate about having me learn French intimately
Although I don't think removing hte dangly bits will do anything I do think serious sex offenders should be locked away for life as a danger to society and a deterrent to the more borderline who migh tbe tempted. However, I also think the same penalty should apply to those women who are found guilty of claiming sexual abuse as a form of revenge.
Castration won't solve this problem with any individual - IMHO, its a mental issue. You would have to remove their hands, feet, eyes and sense of touch as well. I believe the only fix would be castration and also medication. Then - put them in a prison where there are only like minded criminals -
The real problem lies in determining the guilt. Heaven forbid you arrest, castrate and imprison the wrong person...
But, if justice works the way it should - and, if it worked back in the days of really putting fear into the thoughts of the guilty - then yes... get a rope. No need to imprison - I could see the costs for imprisonment ($45k x Years) going to mental health care for the victim instead. The victim is usually always forgotten.
sheesh your question is stupid..am not against castration...but at least define the crime. *shakes head*...classic example of a question which was posted for effect rather than real interest
What constitutes a sexual offense? If an 18-year-old is caught having sex with his 16-year-old girlfriend and her parents press charges, should he be castrated? In many states that man would have to register as a sex offender under current laws.
How much evidence would be necessary to warrant castration? We've already seen that some people executed under death penalty laws were later exonerated thanks to DNA evidence. In Illinois, the number of times this happened (as a percentage of all death penalty executions) was absolutely shocking, and the governor issued a moratorium on death penalties after 13 death row inmates were freed based on a further look at the evidence using modern techniques. If our justice system is so bad at figuring out who the real murderers are, how can we be sure it's going to figure out who the real rapists are?
Lastly, will castration decrease the urge to rape? I'm going to go against the grain here and say that it would. It's very popular to say that rape is mostly about violence and not sexual urges, but the evidence just doesn't back this up. Instances of rape have gone down considerably in recent decades, and most experts believe the prevalence of free/cheap pornographic material is the cause. Rape is also less common in areas where prostitution is legalized.
I would support castration for violent sex offenders if I could trust the justice system to not produce a considerable number of "false positives" in determining who the sex offenders are. Unfortunately, I can't do this.
I think it would be fair to say that an 18 year old with his 16 year "girlfriend" would not constitute a sexual crime but, a wretched beast in quest of a 1,2,3,4, 5,6,7,8,9,10 and so on and so forth year old child should not be castrated at all, this is a huge misconception as the mind of such monsters does not stop their dear-ranged thoughts.
Castration is an easy way out for the likes of these despicable individuals, jail is to easy for them as they are segregated from general population and then they are being cared for by the tax payer???? Hello, is the world mad, are we daft?
There is only one cure for such evil persons and I think in all fairness if you ask the Mother and Father of the 4/5 year old who has just been subjected to unspeakable horror what crime would be fitting, the real justice would immediately follow.
A true story from the UK. Two young sweethearts, the girl 15, the boy 16. On the eve of the girls 16th birthday she decides she can not wait until tomorrow.
Her father finds out and reports the lad to the police. He is taken to court, prosecuted and found guilty. As part of his punishment he has to sign the sex offenders register.
Band goes his chance of following his chosen career of teaching.
It is a situation like this in which the law needs to seriously be looked at as the punishment is far too excessive for young love. If the girl was forced upon then it is a different story but, this is a case where the emotions of the couple who appear on the face of it were clearly in love with each other took over and sexual intercourse had taken place, then the crime is that of love and not of rape and therefore, in my opinion signing the register of a beast is wholly disproportionate to the crime committed.
I think that the law is obtuse where young innocent love is concerned. The boy is not a rapist he did not force himself on the young girl, quite possibly the girl could have forced herself on the boy. I feel very sorry for the young boy I hope he is able to regain his life back.
The biggest crime that I see to this instance is that the law has punished young innocent love.
"it is better to free 10 guilty men than to hang one innocent".
Stoning to death for adultery seems reasonable in the context of this thread.
I say castrate the bastards Or hang em publicly - like in the old days
"like in the old days." You'd not feel so happy about the "good old days," ma'am, were you accused of being a witch.
Ho ho. You are a turn.
Some people, of course, even in the face of the mass appetite for bloody revenge (and secret sadistic thrills), take issues of civilized behavior seriously.
Why do they bother? That is the question.
Everyone seems to be making the assumption that all sex offenders are male.... I seem to be seeing more female teachers seducing their underage male students in the news than I hear of their male counterparts.
What kind of sadistic punishment would there be for female offenders then?
We have a responsibility to conduct ourselves the way we would like others to conduct themselves. Advocating mutilation of people is the wrong path. Increase prison sentences? Absolutely. Purposely and systematically maiming human beings? I hope not. How can one claim to be against violence and then desire it so strongly?
Should sex offenders be castrated?
Let me do it ! Let me do it ! Let me do it !
The point of this debate is to keep within civil means, castration will never be brought into the equation of a beast because governance would never allow for it, however, life in a jail cell should satisfy the best that we as a civilised nation could possibly give to any such beast.
Parents who have undeniably suffered in unimaginable ways will never find solace even if the beast was put to death because the thoughts of the unspeakable horror are engraved in the mind for life. It is up to the lord to take life not up to us as human beings. We do however have the power to ensure that life means life and not let out after 3 years of good behaviour.
Only to play Devil's Advocate here...but...What if the newly found guilty Sex Offender is actually innocent? What if the newly found guilty Sex Offender was set up by an angry ex-girlfriend? "Murderers" have gone to the Electric Chair only to be found innocent afterward....
This is why if a person is sent to prison for life and he is genuinely innocent, then he still has the opportunity to argue his case with the authorities until he is found innocent.
Miscarriages of justice is a very serious and damaging thing but, we do not live in a perfect world. An innocent man will fight to the last breath in his body but that is no excuse for the miscarriage of justice he or she and their entire family have unnecessarily have had to endure.
We sadly do not live in a perfect world we can only try to make the right decision for justice.
Right. I'm just saying I think castration of an innocent person would be too large a miscarriage of justice to ignore. Because once castrated, is there any turning back? What kind of appeal process could there be once a man is castrated? I would be more concerned with an abuse of legislation by many angry women crying rape just to get even.
People screaming castration is the emotion of anger. People screaming life behind bars is the more sensible way forward.
If parents scream for castration and the electric chair, then they have every right to demand this as nobody could even contemplate the horror that they must be living with and it is understandable rage.
However, our democratic justice system should be able to clearly understand and have an appreciation for that rage, and the only way to compensate for that rage in an acceptable manner is to ensure that the accused never sees life away from a jail cell.
Castration is no different than chopping a persons hand off for theft only to later establish that he was not the thief after all.
Women crying rape just to get even, should also be harshly punished in a fitting manner that is acceptable in a democratic society and when I say harsh it really should be long-term prison sentences.
I agree that crying wolf should be harshly punished, but the problem is Proving It.
Just for the sake of argument. I know some people are put to death accidentally. And many people wrongly accused are hardly innocent by and large. They usually have a track record. And it may sound harsh but I am more concerned with the safety of children then I am with a person who has a history of being a peice of s**t. And the fact of the matter is a truly good prson does not find themselves in those circumstances. Good thing I am not in charge, prison populations would be greatly reduced in order to make room for some bankers.
You're right Tony. Maybe I should have said - wrongly accused?
As for having a track record...what if the track record begins with a false accusation of Rape?
My only issue with such severe punishment is the possibility of falsely accused having to live with the consequences. Life in prison (with multiple opportunities for appeal) is much more satisfactory.
Let's put it this way - what if it were you who was wrongly accused, convicted, and sentenced to castration?
Rafini it wouldn't happen. I have a record of being absolutely one of the most boring people in the world. My biggest criminal offense was a speeding ticket I got nearly 20 years ago.To reiterate truly good people are never going to find themselves in those dire circumstances. The reason most suspects are suspects is because they have earned that distinction by virtue of their history.
Never say Never, Tony.
For arguments sake, what if it happened to you? Would you still feel the same?
When it happens I will let you know. I just don't see it happening though.So I cannot deal in hypotheticals that are mathematically unlikely.
I'm sure none of the wrongly accused sitting on death row saw it happening either.
I'm not talking about likelihood, only about 'what if'.
I know if I were a man wrongly accused of rape, I wouldn't appreciate being castrated for a crime I didn't commit.
I'm sure none of the wrongly accused sitting on death row saw it happening either
Like who Rafini ?
Have you not looked into a thousands and thousands of court cases concerning wrongly accused persons sitting on death row? There are so many articles about it, there are television programs about it, there are books about it. Shoot, I learned about it in high school in my two years of law studies! There was even a big case every one who's taken U.S. History should know about, concerning a governor letting all prisoners on death row out do to finding too many of them being innocent of the crime they were accused of!
But almost all are career criminals and have probably served jail time before and it is also a fact that most sex offenders will re offend. Just last year John Gardner who was a sexual predator in my community killed two innocent young gals.And guess what ? He had a track record. What can I say ? I have way more compassion for child victims then I do for sex predators and career criminals.
I am not talking about sex predators and career criminals. I am talking about the wrongly accused.
Is it worth the sacrifice of the wrongly accused to castrate everyone convicted of a sex crime? (before you answer, imagine that you have been wrongly accused) As Travis points out, there are also those who have consensual sex with a minor (he just turned 18 and she's 16) but are charged with Rape by the parents who don't like the guy.
How is destroying a mans life over opposing views justifiable?
(if the sex criminal is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, I may agree with castration - better safe than sorry! can't trust a true sex criminal)
Rafini I cannot put myself in their place and that debate point is not useful because it just would,nt happen. So by your definition we should just let these guys be. And with todays criminal technology it is hard to make an error. Now that is not too say that there might be a very very small percentage over time. By your definition it is better to keep this scum and their bodyparts around and overlook the collective safety of society, because after 25 years they might be innocent. To me that is just crazy. There is far too much compassion for the criminals and not the victims.
But as soon as you punish the innocent they become victims too!
And why can you not put yourself in the place of the wrongly accused? Why wouldn't it happen to you? It happens to plenty of other people.
John the reason I cannot put myself in their place is because I have no point of reference. My biggest crime of late was a speeding ticket I got 20 years ago. And I am sorry but I find it hard to believe that a Dentist and family man who goes home from work is going to randomly get convicted for rape or incest. I got an Idea. Let's just assume they are all innocent after conviction and give them a couple of therapy sessions and send them on their way.
No,let's not just assume anything, lets look for a less brutal solution than killing and mutilating.
Tell that to the families of the victims. I am a Father and Grandfather sorry if I am more worried about the children.
Tony it has happened to many completely innocent people before, there are a number of cases you will find easily if you take not even 5 minutes to look the information up. An example yet again is a case of a black man, accused of the rape and murder of a young woman. He looked EXACTLY like the real criminal, had the same name as well. Half of his life later they come to find out the real criminal is in the same prison as him, and see that the wrongly accused had no criminal record at all. It CAN happen to ANYONE. You don't seem to understand the law system very much, and I find that a bit depressing for some one who has been around longer than I have.
Okay, maybe not you. How about one of your children or grandchildren? What if one of them were falsely accused and convicted - would you still say "Castrate all convicted sex offenders?"
Let's not get on the subject of bankers otherwise if we had our own way, there would be no high street banks left open. The biggest criminals are the bankers!!
I believe the punishment should fit the crime. But you also have to take into account how the person became a sex offender in the first place. There are very many that became so, by at the age of 18, having sexual relations with their partner who is under age. Though their partner may have given consent, if the parents were against it and chose to report it, the 18 year old is now a sex offender. As for true rape cases, and by true I mean they forced it and really did rape by definition, not by law, then yes their punishment should be more severe. Our law system has a lot of flaws in it, and I believe they should take in to account how the situation came about, and fit the punishment to the crime as something more reasonable for each case. I would assume the reason they get light sentences is because there are so many cases, they do not have enough time to break down each and every single one, and so they make it simple, serving a given time in prison, and having to register every year on the Registered Sex Offenders list, which is publicly available to every one so you know who is living near you, and if you should take extra precautions to watch over your children/spouse and likewise.
Doesn't anyone believe in brain re-entrainment? Simply 'teach' the brain to think and behave differently. It's clean, painless, edifying, and beneficial to society. It also takes a lot less time and money to successfully complete unlike the generally unsuccessful prison term. It does not involve surgery or drugs just a few experts with CDs.
Tell that to the victims.
Who retrains my brain to forget the abuse?
So in your world there are no first time offenders?
Sex is a delicate matter in which two parties are involved. No one can forcibly have sex if the woman behaves properly. Only criminals will force the woman and that is raping. Social discipline on both sides will only prevent these crimes.
I have not read through all of the thread, and do not know what has or has not been said, but have something to add to whatever has been said.
I was molested at the age of 11, and it continued until I was about 16. As I had children, and began to have contact with other parents, I was shocked to learn that as I began sharing with others what happened to me and others opened up, I only knew one person who had not been molested or raped in their childhood years. I was shocked, and still am. How can something so awful remain so hidden? Why is this happening to our children, and why is it not being talked about?
Castration is an answer. but it is permanent. I am not sure that our government should have the ability to do this kind of thing, but, there is such a thing as chemical castration which is reversable, by simply not consuming the medication, which is a female hormone. It should be considered in this usage.
I would have to say no. Not because it isn't a great idea, it's more because it probably wouldn't stop a sex offender from doing what they do. They will just do other things to their victims.
Especially those who are more interested in torture than sex.
People assume that the person who engages in rape or molestation are in it for their own sexual gratification. But, mostly it is just to have power over their victim. Another myth is that only men molest or attempt to rape their victims. A majority are men, but women are just as guilty of doing it too. So what do you do there? I think the better idea is to remove fingers.
As for the women. I read an article a few years back about two women who were going around kidnapping teenage boys, and attempting to force them to have sex with them. Degrading them in every way that they could, as they were attempting to get one of the women pregnant. When the boys refused they beat the crap out of them and left them on the side of the road, after torturing them tied up for hours. You can't castrate a woman.
I say cut off the fingers if they are 100 percent guilty. And, maybe the entire hand if they are repeat offenders. They'll live, but, they'll never be able to hurt anyone again. I would ad this judgement to people who use guns as a weapon, can't pull the trigger when you don't have a hand!
Miss Kimberly, I am frustrated. I want to help so much on this issue - - have been trying - - but no one responds to my Post as in a continuing dialogue. I don't profess to be proficient in this "Hubspages" - - to the contrary, I find it massively confusing!
My name is Kerry Cook and I wrote a best-selling book. For a better idea who I am, what I do and why I might be an expert on this particular subject, please go to my website at www.chasingjustice.com.
I am new to Hubspages and am busier as all get out, just like I'm sure you are, but I have come here everyday hoping to get started with a dialogue. I would like to be "interviewed,"with no holes-barred by you, so I can weigh in on this controversial subject precisely SUPPORTING the surgical castration of the male offender.
This is so embarrassing, but the reason I can state so emphatically that I know with certainty surgical castration would snuff out any/all sexual thoughts and urges permanently is because as a homosexual, I was nearly castrated in prison and for well over two years even the thought of anything sexual became repugnant to me.
Personally, I believe rape should treated with the same seriousness and punishments as murder. It always puzzled me why sex offenders have it so easy. They are sick, disgusting human beings who destroy lives.
Remind you, a few years ago, a 15 year old boy in Philadelphia was given life in jail after he accidentally killed his neighbor. In the meantime, any grown man who voluntarily rapes a 13 year old girl will get approximately 10 years in prison, even less with "good behavior". This is ridiculous.
Castration is disgusting. I DO think they should be imprisoned for life however
Rape is even more disgusting. The animals that rape have no social redeeming value. Castration is too kind for them. Termination is much more effective.
This whole thread has elicited so many extreme answers. With so much sex going on in the world it begs the question when, exactly, is rape horrible. Should we put rape issues on a continuum from "horrible" to "no big deal"? I wonder how many women move on without a great deal of trauma after some kinds of rape?
I also think of people like Wilt Chamberlain (Basketball)and Gene Simmons(Kiss)bragging about being with hundreds, even thousands of willing women over their careers. On the other hand I think about the heavy weight champion of the world Mike Tyson who picked up a women at 2 am whom he had met earlier. She willing got in his car wearing a sexy nightie, as I recall, and went to his hotel room - and yet he was charged with rape. Can a rapist get some sympathy?
Friends-with-benefits, women's solo trips to the Caribbean, and one-night-stands are freely discussed as options for women in women's magazines. Match.com once told me on their forum that the third date is the magic date because, if everything is going well, that is when you "sleep" together. The point is that our current culture must be pretty damned confusing for a man who isn't party to those things when he thinks he should be.
It is politically incorrect to point a finger at women, but we can surely point at our culture. I'd like to ask women if they can open their hearts, and yes their legs, for more than just the handsome bad boys! This is a response that is different than extreme castration remarks here, but someone needed to say it.
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