Socialism = Injustice

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   Everyone knows it is not fair to tax someone just because they generate huge amounts of money. Yet the democratic/(Left-influenced)/youth take the rich for granted targeting them just for being successful.
   
   The rich already pay a higher tax rate. The rich are people too. Why take unfair advantage of them? Why not encourage (ALL) people to become prosperous?
   
   If we start taxing at the rate which Miss Ocasio-Cortez and the other "democratic" socialists suggest, up to 70%, the rich might decide to take their business, money, company and employees, (if they're lucky,) to other countries.
   
   Or they could shut down and retire.
   
   If YOU would not want to be taxed at a higher rates, why would one of the wealthy?
   
   If YOU wouldn't want your wages taxed for the purpose of free this and free that for whoever, whatever and whenever as dictated by the government, why would the wealthy?
   
   
   After all, eventually, the money you,(any of us,) are taxed could leave the country for humanitarian aide in other countries. You can''t afford to let the government take your money for whatever they deem "morally right."
   
   And as a side-light to this discussion what  IS  M O R A L L Y   R I G H T ?
   Is democratic socialism morally right?
   
   If so HOW?

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      "Everyone knows it is not fair to tax someone just because they generate huge amounts of money."
      
      Unfortunately, this is far from true; the socialists of our society view all wealth belongs to whoever has the might to take it, and that's them if they can just get the votes.  That it is often covered with faux claims of morality, what actually matters is "Might makes right", and they have the might: a theory that makes complete sense until it is applied the totality of what happens rather than just a small portion of the action.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Unfortunately, the socialists of our society think it IS fair to tax the wealthy.
         
         They believe: "that all wealth belongs to whoever has the might to take it, and that's them ... if they can just get the votes." 
         
         That it is often covered with faux claims of morality.
         
         What actually matters is, "Might makes right",
         
         and they have the might.
         
         Their theory makes complete sense as long as it is applied to a small portion of the action, rather than the totality.
         
         
         I need a for instance, wilderness.

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      Hxprofposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Democratic Socialism is immoral.  Part of the strength of socialism is the claim that since the capitalist system is immoral, leaving many with little and few with a lot, that it needs to be corrected with more immorality.  It's classic 2 wrongs make a right nonsense. Supporters don't give a rat's butt about stealing from others for the sake of social justice.
      
      The push for social justice has perverted some of Christianity, and this perverted Christianity is also being used to push the socialist agenda.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         ... perverted Christianity!

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            It seems Equality is the new Religion.

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      Bored Studentposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I'm confused. You don't need democratic socialism to tax the rich at higher rates. We currently tax the rich at higher rates. Unless you are advocating for a flat tax or something similar, you cannot claim that higher tax rates for the rich is morally reprehensible.
      
      I'm assuming that you believe that democratic socialists have taken it too far. You believe that taxing the rich at higher rates is okay, as long as those rates aren't "too high". My question to you is: How high is "too high"? And how have democratic socialists specifically demonstrated that their tax rates of the rich are "too high"?
      
      Also, what makes you so sure that taxing the rich is "morally unfair"? What definition of morals are you working with and how do you know that definition is the best definition?

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Government intrusion.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   I see only injustice, where they see justice, I guess.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   Does might make right when it is through a majority faction?
   The founding fathers say, "No."
   The remedy? an extended republic.
   
   
     and the intelligence of the people to resist
   
                               N O N S E N S E  !

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   PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago

   So, are you all advocates of a flat tax?  Because what we have now is a system that taxes you at a higher rate as you earn more.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Its fine as it is, as far as I surmise. The democratic socialists want to increase the tax at the top.
      How else are they fund free college and healthcare insurance.
      
      
      I don't know what the repercussions of a flat tax are or if its fair.
      Do you?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   Ocasio-Cortez is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib are the first members of the Democratic Socialists of America in Congress.
   
   Her platform includes:
   
   1. Medicare For all
   2. Federal jobs guarantee
   3. Guaranteed family leave
   4. Establishing a Green New Deal
   5. Abolishing U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
   6. Free public college and trade school
   7. Infrastructure projects for renewable energy 
   8 A 70% marginal tax rate for incomes above $10 million

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   "The DSA is not only by far the largest socialist organization in the United States in the 21st century, it is also the largest socialist organization in the United States in over a century.
   
   By the end of 2017, membership in the organization had risen to 32,000, primarily because of the influx of youth in reaction to the presidency of Donald Trump.
   
   As of September 2, 2018, membership stood at 50,000 and the number of local chapters had increased from 40 to 181. As of December 2017, the median age of its membership was 33, compared to 68 in 2013. In the 2017 election, fifteen candidates who were members of the DSA were elected to office in thirteen states, most notably Lee Carter in the Virginia House of Delegates, adding to the twenty members already holding elected office nationwide.
   
   In November 2018, two DSA members, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib, were elected to the House of Representatives while eleven were elected to state legislatures."
   
   From:
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrati … of_America

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   ... why is capitalism immoral?

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Greed is immoral

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   "Social justice is a concept of fair and just relations between the individual and society. This is measured by the explicit and tacit terms for the distribution of wealth, opportunities for personal activity, and social privileges. In Western as well as in older Asian cultures, the concept of social justice has often referred to the process of ensuring that individuals fulfill their societal roles and receive what was their due from society. In the current global grassroots movements for social justice, the emphasis has been on the breaking of barriers for social mobility, the creation of safety nets and economic justice."
   
   "Social justice assigns rights and duties in the institutions of society, which enables people to receive the basic benefits and burdens of cooperation. The relevant institutions often include taxation, social insurance, public health, public school, public services, labor law and regulation of markets, to ensure fair distribution of wealth, and equal opportunity."
   
   
   FROM
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   "Some authors such as Friedrich Hayek criticize the concept of social justice, arguing the lack of objective, accepted moral standard; and that while there is a legal definition of what is just and equitable "there is no test of what is socially unjust", and further that social justice is often used for the reallocation of resources based on an arbitrary standard which may in fact be inequitable or unjust."
   (From the above link.)

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

    Can Trump be elected next time?
    He represents the American Dream.
    Bernie Sanders, Kamala, AOC, Nancy and Chuck:
    Not at all.
    
    Truly, their entire aim may be to just get rid of Trump.
    We can't fall for it.
    
    What is your American dream?

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Government intrusion?

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

    For Instance:
    
    Economist Edward Barbier, who developed the "Global Green New Deal" proposal for the United Nations Environment Program in 2009, opposes "a massive federal jobs program," saying, "The government would end up doing more and more of what the private sector and industry should be doing."
    
    (Barbier prefers carbon pricing, such as a carbon tax or cap-and-trade system, in order to "address distortions in the economy that are holding back private sector innovation and investments in clean energy.")
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal

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    Onusonusposted 6 years ago

    "But, but, but that's not real socialism" -Academic
    

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       Hxprofposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, if you still have a gun!

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

    Socialism, in the form of Democratic Socialism, the latest and greatest, will replace living for the good-of-SELF, first with the living for the good-of-ALL, first.
    
    
    If this statement is not true, please explain, anyone who knows.
    Additionally, if anyone agrees with this statement, please explain why.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    Socialism, in the form of Democratic Socialism, replaces Living for the Good-of-SELF, first
    with Living for the Good-of-ALL, first.
    
    'first' is the key word here.

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