Elderly man who couldn't afford health care kills wife, then himself

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   Don Wposted 5 years ago

   "The Whatcom County Sheriff's Office is treating the deaths of the 77-year-old man and his 76-year-old wife as a suspected murder/suicide. . .
   
   The husband and wife were found dead from suspected gunshot wounds. Officers found several notes which cited "severe ongoing medical problems with the wife and expressing concerns that the couple did not have sufficient resources to pay for medical care," according to a press release"
   
   https://www.newsweek.com/eldery-man-kil … de-1453431
   
   Meanwhile . . .
   
   "McConnell dismisses Medicare for All: Not while GOP controls Senate"
   
   "Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said on Wednesday that "Medicare for All" will not move in the Senate as long as Republicans control the chamber.
   
   "Not as long as I'm majority leader. It ought to be Medicare for none. … You want to turn America into a socialist country this is the first step," McConnell told Fox News's Brett Baier."
   
   https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 … re-for-all

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      promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      "It ought to be Medicare for none."
      
      More proof that Republicans want to kill Medicare.

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Should be a good indication of just what wonderful insurance medicare is - the program we've paid into all our lives so as to have insurance when too old to work.
      
      And meanwhile a US Senator (Democrat Ron Wyden) declares that illegal aliens have a right to free health care and breaks the low to bring an illegal alien, 8 1/2 months pregnant, into the US rather than take her to a much closer hospital in her own country.
      
      Is it any wonder we can't afford to care for our seniors?  We have to take care of foreign citizens first, after all!

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         PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, it is sad when anyone dies because they don't have enough money for health care, including an 81/2 month pregnant woman with pre-eclampsia, a potentially deadly but treatable condition.
         
         Ron Wyden is my Oregon senator and I approve of the steps he took to get care for a pregnant mom.
         
         US senator helps pregnant migrant with life-threatening condition apply for asylum at US-Mexico border
         
         I didn't see anything in there about breaking the law, though. Perhaps I missed it.

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            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Just curious, but do you wonder why he didn't take her to the much closer hospital in Sonora?  It was right at hand, after all, while the one in the US was miles and hours away.  You approve of bringing a pregnant woman into the country to create yet another anchor baby - do you also approve of bring the rest of the clan as well, all in direct violation of our laws?
            
            Yes, it is illegal to aid people in breaking the immigration laws.  Such lawbreakers carry the common label of "coyote" and face jail time.  Wynden won't, of course, for he is a mighty Senator, after all!
            
            Did you wonder, too, why Wynden just happened to have a physician with him on his journey to see how Mexico treats those in its "concentration camps"?  Or how he just happened to find an 8 1/2 month pregnant woman?  Is it possible at all that the mighty Senator from a sanctuary state had a little more in mind than a simple fact finding mission?  Think violating the law just might buy him some votes?

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               PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Did you actually read the article? Because you seem to have your facts wrong.
               
               If only you would get this outraged over real human suffering....

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                  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, I read the article.  Along with 2 more on the same subject.  How about you - did you read only the one from leftist sources decrying how foreign citizens simply MUST come to the US for medical care?
                  
                  Here's another, from a right-leaning source, as a balance to the left leaning one. 
                  https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2019/ … t-senator/
                  
                  Here's another:  https://conservative-daily.com/2019/07/ … ed-states/
                  
                  Now, the shelter was in Jaurez, Mexico.  Google maps shows 18 (count them - 18) hospitals in Jaurez.  Rather than wait hours and hassle with the border crossing, rather than illegally assisting a foreign citizen without permission to cross the border, why didn't he simply take her to one of those eighteen hospitals?

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                     PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Sorry, even if all of your assertions are correct, and I don't think they are, I just can't get worked up about my senator helping a pregnant mom and her family get asylum and medical care in our country. It doesn't trigger my outrage meter.

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                        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Of course it doesn't!  Not only are you, as a liberal, very receptive to open borders you expect the American citizen to support the world's needy and it doesn't bother you one iota when a high ranking US official violates the law in order to accomplish those things.
                        
                        But I'm not real sure what "assertions" you refer to - it appears undeniable that Wynden brought an illegal family into the US (he announced he did).  It is undeniable that he said it was to get medical care for the pregnant woman (not sure if the husband and children were pregnant with difficulties or not) - he said it was - and it is undeniable that medical care was readily available in the Mexican town where they were found (18 hospitals in the town guarantees that).  Wynden himself says he had a doctor with him so that seems pretty clear cut as well.
                        
                        It's not an assertion to wonder just why he had a doctor with him, or a journalist, or why he didn't take her to the nearest hospital - these are all just thought provoking questions, at least to those searching for the truth, the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth. 
                        
                        So what "assertions" do you not believe?

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                           PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           "Not only are you, as a liberal, very receptive to open borders (No, I'm not, stop making $hit up about me) you expect the American citizen to support the world's needy (No, I don't, stop making $hit up about me) and it doesn't bother you one iota when a high ranking US official violates the law (So you say)n order to accomplish those things."
                           
                           As for the rest....so you say.

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                              wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              "it doesn't bother you one iota when a high ranking US official violates the law (So you say)n order to accomplish those things."
                              
                              No, so YOU say.  "It doesn't trigger my outrage meter."
                              
                              As for the rest - this is the liberal agenda today - to open the borders and to care for the world's poor.  Now, if I mistakenly took you for a liberal, I apologize, but if not...well, we could start with just why you are not outraged when a Senator brings an illegal alien to give medical care (and produce another anchor baby) when it was readily available in her home country.  It's called "open border" and "taking care of the world's poor", and you approved of it.

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                                 PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 You mischaracterize the liberal agenda just like you consistently and frequently mischaracterize my and others' positions. It's your MO.
                                 
                                 You say what he did was illegal. I see no support for that.

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                                    wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    If you don't find it illegal to aid in smuggling illegal aliens into the country you might want to read the laws and look at what happens to those "coyotes" caught doing so.
                                    
                                    Yes, it is most definitely illegal.

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                                       PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       Lol, now he "smuggled" them in?
                                       
                                       Geez, this is ridiculous.

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                                          wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                          Did he get a legal OK from a judge or other authority?  No?  Then he smuggled them in, using his title of "Senator" to do so.
                                          
                                          You're right - it's pretty ridiculous.  We have a Senator violating the law of the land, helping others to do it as well,  and you simply look the other way, all while saying you don't want it to happen and you don't support it but you have no outrage at a Senator violating border security and aiding illegal aliens to enter the country without permission.  Pretty ridiculous when you actually step back and look hard at what happened and what your reply is.

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                                             Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                             Not to mention a POTUS who refuses to comply with subpoenas from Congress. What is this country coming to?

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                                             PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                             Well, since you're obviously  very worked up over my senator helping a pregnant mom get medical care, why don't you call your senator to urge prosecution? Write letters, send emails, call every day, start a petition, get other like-minded people to join your cause. It should be easy to do because Senator Wyden broke the law and smuggled in an illegal alien family so they could produce another anchor baby!

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                                                wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                Now, now - don't put words in my mouth.  I couldn't care less if he helped a pregnant woman get medical help.
                                                
                                                I care that he brought a family into the US in direct violation of our laws.  Bad enough that he did it, but far worse when that medical care used as an excuse was readily available in her own country, and much closer and quicker than using political power to violate the law.  You may not care, but I do - I fully expect our lawmakers to follow the laws they create.  Violating them for political stunts is not acceptable, IMO.  You obviously disagree.

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                                                   PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                   Lol, the bold is meant to characterize your comments on the matter. The intro is how I see it.
                                                   
                                                   So, what actions will you be taking to bring attention, and ultimately justice, to the law-breaking Senator Wyden?

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                                                      Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                      How about he pay the medical costs so the American taxpayer isn't left to foot the bill,

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                                                         PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                         Why don't you join wilderness in the cause of bringing law-breaking Senator Wyden to justice? I mean, you're in Tennessee, right? And I believe wilderness is in Idaho. These are two bastions of right-wing patriotism and virtue so it should be a no-brainer getting your senators to seek justice against the law-breaking Senator Wyden.
                                                         
                                                         Having him pay back the funds could be one punishment after he is convicted, but is that really enough? I mean, geez, he broke the law and smuggled in an illegal alien family so they could produce another anchor baby! Put the evildoer in jail!

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                                                            Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                            I'd think it would be okay with the Right as long as she didn't get an abortion, Sandy.

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                                                               PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                               I think wilderness is pro-choice and I'm  guessing he would prefer an abortion over an anchor baby. But, yes, that would be an interesting dilemma for a Christian Trumpeter.

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                                                            Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                            I'm not advocating conviction of anything.  Just don't make others pay for your actions.
                                                            
                                                            I realize that is against all liberal thinking,  so I get why you'd over react.

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                                                               PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                               Lol, read wilderness' posts and tell me I'm the one overreacting.
                                                               
                                                               Too funny.

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                                                                  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                                  I was talking to you.  Not wilderness.
                                                                  
                                                                  You keep using the term too funny.  I don't think it means what you think it means,  because your comments are ridiculous.

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                                                                     PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                                     I'm not the one who claimed Senator Widen illegally smuggled illegal aliens across the border. That is ridiculous.
                                                                     
                                                                     You don't like my suggestion that you and wilderness take action on your beliefs? How ridiculous of me to suggest such a thing!
                                                                     
                                                                     Again, too funny.

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                                                                        Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                                        What action do you take against things politicians do that you find offensive?
                                                                        
                                                                        Nothing other than insults online. Again, a liberal voice acting in the most hypocritical way possible.

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                                                                           PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                                           So, now you are claiming to know what I do in my private life?  Another assertion you can't back up.  I'm quite active in my community, both politically and as a humanitarian volunteer.  I frequently write letters and make phone calls on subjects I feel strongly about.  I'm simply advocating for anyone, regardless of their position, to be involved.  It actually does make a difference.

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                                                                              Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                                              You'll have to prove your claims. You don't take anything I say at face value. I certainly won't extend you that courtesy.

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                                                                                 PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                                                 Lol, typical.
                                                                                 
                                                                                 I accept what you say about yourself at face value, unless it is contradicted by something else you have said here. I don't accept what you say about me when it obviously isn't true.
                                                                                 
                                                                                   https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/344 … ost4090561

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                                    promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    "You mischaracterize the liberal agenda just like you consistently and frequently mischaracterize my and others' positions. It's your MO."
                                    
                                    Yes, yes and yes. Years of it.

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      Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      You get a Mitch McConnell when you've got those clamoring for universal coverage without a plan to pay for it.
      
      I'm sorry that couple went through a trauma he couldn't find a way out of.  I do still think we'd be better off revamping our system to make it more competitive; by subsidizing (If not paying for) the tuition of medical students... opening medical school to all reasonably qualified.  Also making sure the amount a company can charge for drugs to be in line with the charges in other countries and regulating the insurance industry to cap profits.
      
      Our system is designed to bleed the consumer.

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      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Very sad story, this should never happen. Although it makes one think if Medicare is not working as is, how would it ever work in the case of Medicare for all? The funds are just not sufficient to provide free care for all.

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      Stevennix2001posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      damn.....that's some messed up s**t

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   Live to Learnposted 5 years ago

   I don't have any problem helping a person who has complications due to pregnancy but my question is...Mexico is a stable democracy.  What grounds would a Mexican citizen have for an asylum claim?
   
   Sound like abuse of the laws.

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Ron Wyden says: "While across the border, I met a young woman who was seeking refuge in the U.S., who was more than 8 months pregnant."
      
      And: "I went across the border into Juarez, Mexico to tour a shelter housing asylum seekers being forced to stay in Mexico instead of the U.S. while they wait to hear if they've been granted asylum. They are fleeing persecution and violence, seeking a better life for their families."
      
      Pretty obvious he knows quite well the asylum does not apply, but doesn't care.  The family (he brought all of them, not just the pregnant woman) wants a better life, that's all.
      
      Yes, a pretty clear violation of American law.  But hey - he's a Senator, he can do whatever he likes!

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   GA Andersonposted 5 years ago

   What a dilemma, two of my buds arguing a point.
   
   Wilderness, your responses prompted me to a look at this Sen. Wyden controversy.
   
   What a stunt. He goes South of the Border with a pediatrician, assistants, and apparently a photographer, (or reporter?), looking for a 'news moment'.
   
   What a hack. What a political stunt. Gee. Flaunting his Senatorial credentials to intimidate a border crossing guard. And then a border crossing supervisor. Typical politician.
   
   But, and it almost pains me to say this, from the links I followed he didn't break any laws. Contrarily, it seems he forced those border patrol folks to actually follow our laws.
   
   He didn't "smuggle" anybody in. He simply used his credentials to force the border patrol station to follow our laws. Mexicans are exempt from our "metering" restrictions.
   
   The pregnant woman, (and her husband and kid), were Mexicans. And, the country they were claiming asylum from was their country of Mexico. Our laws say we cannot force them to remain in a country they are claiming asylum from.
   
   So, as much of a political stunt as it was, and regardless of the common sense that says any of those 10 - 18 local or semi-local hospitals that were available to handle the pregnancy complications could have been the first choice - if it was the real emergency the Senator proclaimed it to be, the Senator didn't break any laws. As much as it stinks to say so, he actually forced the adherence to our current laws.
   
   Believe me, I think it stinks to have to let that Senator off the hook. As an obvious political ploy, he went looking for a situation he could take advantage of - and he found one.
   
   Sometimes being right is just a lucky break.
   
   
   GA

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      PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Now, this is a reasonable comment. I agree it was a stunt, albeit a stunt that actually helped people who needed help. That's why I can't get worked up about it. In the grand scheme of what is happening in our country right now, this incident isn't even a tiny blip on my outrage meter.

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         GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I am glad to see you agree it was a stunt Sandy. And yes, he did help people. But those same people could have been just as easily helped at a local hospital. The only "help" the Senator supplied was getting them into the U.S. I do not agree that he "helped" with a medical situation.
         
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            PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Well, I'm not sure what would have transpired had she been illegally denied entry to the U.S. as was initially attempted before Wyden intervened.

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               GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Neither am I. Regardless of the political aspects, I am glad she did get help - wherever it came from.
               
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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      She was seeking asylum from persecution in Juarez?  Or had she already left the persecution behind and, as Wynden said, just wanted a better life?  While we are bound to let asylum seekers in (something that needs some changing, given that people are being trained to make the claim without it being true), it seems to me that her persecution was non-existent in that part of Mexico.

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         GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         The law that must be followed by us, (just as we insist they do), speaks of countries, not areas, This makes the reality of the Senator's actions legitimate, even if they were the actions of a political stunt.
         
         I was wondering about this issue later on, as in what do we expect those port of entry CBP officers do? Should they have two lines at the gate, one for Mexicans, (that can't be subject to metering restrictions), and one for everyone else?
         
         Or, maybe a CBP officer walks the line and finds all the Mexican asylum seekers - to be sent to the front of the line to ensure they get in within the metering cap?
         
         Metering is just a reality. You can't do more than you can do just because someone demands you do. Limits are reality. Maybe this story should have identified the non-Mexican asylum seeker that got bumped so the Mexican seeker could be squeezed in - due to the Senator's efforts.
         
         Imagine the irony if that bumped meter number was a Guatemalan equivalent of husband, kid and pregnant wife with pregnancy complications?
         
         As mentioned, I am glad the Mexican woman received medical help, but that doesn't lessen the cheapness of the politics of this Senator. He didn't stumble upon or 'discover' this situation, he sought it out so he could exploit it. What a jerk. His actions weren't compassionate, they were scheming.
         
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   Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago

   Very unlikely to happen in Canada over medical care. With their such easy access to guns,  hope can be gone in a bang. 
   
   Plus, along with cannabis as very affordable medicine, legal and  best known medicine to man. Making the Candain poor and old people, given a healthier chance. Don't worry Canada will catch up to the horrors of top killing profession in the  world. This streamline standard of the medical profession.
   
   Don't take my word for it, check it out for yourselves.

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