What Should The U.S. Do When The Coming Immigrant Caravan Arrives

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  1. GA Anderson profile image91
    GA Andersonposted 17 months ago

    In the news: a 4000 - 5000 person immigrant caravan is heading for the U.S. border - determined to enter the United States.

    "TAPACHULA, Mexico (Reuters) - Defying the efforts of four governments to break them up, thousands of mostly Honduran migrants rose at dawn on Sunday from the shores of a river between Guatemala and Mexico and continued their trek northward."

    Here is one source for the story: Reuters - Thousands of Hondurans in U.S.-bound migrant caravan head into Mexico

    It appears Mexico is not ignoring the caravan, but it is unclear what they may do.

    The immigrants, (their leaders), have acknowledged their planned entry is illegal, and that Pres. Trump is fighting illegal entry.

    These immigrants do not appear to qualify as  legitimate asylum seekers, and several thousand have circumvented Mexico's efforts to register them. (Mexico has asked the U.N. for help - Blue helmets at our Southern border?)

    Can it be denied that this is a blatant announcement, from the caravan,  that they don't care about our laws, their plight takes precedent?

    So what to we do, (the U.S.), if they make it to our border? Is there a choice other than military reinforcement of the Border patrol?

    Or, should we just let them in?

    GA

    1. promisem profile image96
      promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      It seems logical to follow our own laws. According to Wikipedia:

      "A specified number of legally defined refugees who either apply for asylum from inside the U.S. or apply for refugee status from outside the U.S., are admitted annually."

      I had the impression Mexico is doing little to stop the caravan. Its government and voters are quite unhappy with our current President, so I'm not surprised they aren't stopping it.

      More details on the law:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in … ted_States

      1. GA Anderson profile image91
        GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I followed your link promisem, but I am not sure of your point.

        We have a quota for refugee and asylum seekers. We have laws and  processes to make those determinations.

        It appears the caravan plans to ignore both our laws and our processes.

        It also appears, by their, (caravan participants), own words, that they are not fleeing persecution, but are fleeing poor, (terrible?), national conditions. And, by their own words, they intend to flout both our processes and laws.

        Is your point that we should let them in, then sort it out?

        GA

        1. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          I'm  saying we should let in anyone who fits the existing laws of the country for people seeking asylum.

          That means we let in anyone in that caravan who fits the laws and keep out anyone who doesn't.

          1. GA Anderson profile image91
            GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            As is said ... That's easy for you to say ...

            How do you propose we handle them? They have already declared, by words and actions, that they do not intend to abide by our laws. If their current actions in Mexico are an indicator, they will not abide by our registration processes either.

            So, we see a horde coming. We know the horde has intentions of acting illegally. Data suggests that in the past, our immigration process releases, (on their promise to return), around 98%, of processed immigrant applicants. Data also suggests that around 70% - 80% of that 98% just stay in the U.S. - and never return to the processing centers - as they promised.

            I would suggest that we view this incident specifically, and not as generally applicable to our laws. This caravan intends to purposely break our laws - yet you want to let them in, all the while understanding the above numbers.

            That doesn't work for me. I would offer them every benefit of our laws - only if they abide by our laws. Set up a processing center, especially for them,  like Mexico did, but immediately deport every single person that attempts to circumvent* that process, (and our laws) - which Mexico didn't.

            *How do you feel about the folks that determined they didn't have to wait to be processed in Mexico because it was taking too long? Or the ones that didn't enter the processing line because they knew they weren't eligible? (both of these examples came from the words of caravan members)

            I don't think our laws demand we 'let them in', I think they demand we must offer them the chance to get in - legally via our immigration processes.

            Line up the buses. Everyone that that leaves the caravan and tries to enter illegally - board them and drive them back to Mexico - which I understand has agreed to accept them back.

            Then, if Mexico doesn't deport them, they can try again via the processing line. However, that first illegal entry strike might be a deal breaker.

            GA

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              You grossly misunderstand my answers. Nor do I understand the hostile tone of your reply.

              "Yet you want to let them in." I made no such generalization. I clearly said we should follow the law and let in only people who qualify for asylum.

              I also don't see how your 5th paragraph and final 3 paragraphs are any different than what the law provides, which I fully supported in my comments.

              1. GA Anderson profile image91
                GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Holy cow promisem!

                I did misunderstand your intention. I took your reply as we should let them come on in and sort them out after that.

                But ... there was no hostile tone intended, nor, on rereading my response did I see one. I saw a firmly stated response directed at what I perceived was your position. Even though that perception turned out to be wrong, I still don't see anything hostile about it. Challenging maybe, but not hostile.

                Could your perception be as wrong as mine was?

                GA

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Perhaps you could clarify the first sentence in your previous response.

                  I'll remove the last sentence of mine.

                  1. GA Anderson profile image91
                    GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    "...easier said than done?" I don't think you mean this one, but if so, it speaks for itself. Look at how overloaded our processing system is now. Imagine hitting it with 5000 more at one shot.

                    "How do you propose we handle them?" If you meant this one, considering the inference of the lead sentence, (as explained above), and my miss-perception that you meant we should let them in and sort them out later, that also seems clear - I was asking just what the sentence said.

                    Yes, it was challenging, because my obvious inference was that I didn't see any other logical solution to the approaching problem. But I don't think that inference should be legitimately taken as hostile.

                    GA

    2. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      If Mexico won't or can't stop them then there isn't much we can do except reinforce our own borders. 

      The answer is not to ignore our laws...again...and once more tell others that anyone that wants in can come in.  That's been done over and over with the inevitable result that more show up.  A policy, then, that has failed multiple times.

      1. GA Anderson profile image91
        GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        That is, in essence, the way I see it too Wilderness. The biggest problem I see, and also the biggest negative against the caravan, is their stated intention to ignore our laws and processes.

        I believe this to be a direct, and serious national challenge. I do not see any way we can allow this caravan to succeed - by their measure. I would have less of a problem if they queued-up in Mexico and honored our ways - but that doesn't seem to be their intent.

        So I say they must be stopped from illegally entering the U.S.

        GA

        1. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          How is your final sentence any different from what I said that you seemed to find objectionable?

          "It seems logical to follow our own laws."

          "That means we let in anyone in that caravan who fits the laws and keep out anyone who doesn't."

          1. GA Anderson profile image91
            GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            As you will have seen by now, I wasn't upset. You misunderstood my original response.

            GA

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              I believe we both had a misunderstanding. Kumbaya.

              1. GA Anderson profile image91
                GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Hell no! No campfires for me. But I will shake hands and chalk it up to text communications deficiencies.

                GA ;-)

    3. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      We have laws, they should be enforced to the letter. No one should be allowed to enter without going through our vetting procedures, as well as our immigration procedures. They should be met by the military. We have a right to protect our borders.  Our government has looked the other way for many years, time to stop this blatant disregard for our immigration laws. We now have a president that is making an effort to fix our immigration laws. It's time he is given the support he needs to stop illegals from pouring across a very porous border.

      1. promisem profile image96
        promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I agree with your first two sentences. But illegal immigration was dropping long before Trump took office.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Actually, I was addressing the question posed. "Chronological Threaded
          What Should The U.S. Do When The Coming Immigrant Caravan Arrives"

          Not sure why you feel I was blaming any one person for the immigration problem and the 14 million illegal immigrants that currently live in America? My statement was very clear - "Our government has looked the other way for many years," and yes I do stand behind my statement in regards to President Trump I do feel he will handle the problem, as he has many problems that have plagued the country.   14 million illegal immigrants in America. Yes, it's well overdue that our government does something about such a blatant problem.  Many of us want immigration laws changed to favor  America, and American's, some prefer open borders. We all have a right to an opinion on the subject. I have made my opinion very clear, and I am sorry if it offends anyone.


          https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illeg … tatistics/

          1. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I'm not sure why you think I'm accusing you of blaming anyone for anything. I agreed with an important part of your comment.

            Otherwise, you stated, "It's time he is given the support he needs to stop illegals."

            My response is related to the fact that the number of people who are trying to get into the country illegally is dropping. So has the total illegal population.

            They have both dropped because the federal government increased support for the fight against illegals years ago starting with the peak in 2008.

            Otherwise, kudos for using a good source of information for our debate.

    4. crankalicious profile image91
      crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      We should obviously shoot them. These are rapists and murderers. We can't let them in and should do everything in our power to stop them.

    5. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Just a thought...  Would it be fair to say we need to not only look at our immigration laws being ignored daily at our borders but also the financial burden illegal as well as some legal immigrants pose to America? First, the very shock of our national debt should make one stop and think (over 21 trillion dollars). Second, the fact that much of the money that is owed has been borrowed from SS, the fund we all paid and are paying into. Do we not also give billions in aids to the very countries these people come from? 

      I ask the question simply can we afford to take in millions of immigrants per year, let alone an undisclosed number of illegal immigrants?  One must ask, will this influx of illegal immigrants bog down our growing economy? Are we willing to tip the delicate economy balance due to the fact some want open borders and perhaps don't want to face the problems that as a rule occurs with open borders?  Also, there is the problem of anchor babies, chain migration, and the lottery that further the problem of illegal immigration.

      It should be very apparent we have a problem, and laws need changing, and to be enforced. It astounds me how the financial end of this problem is not being looked at by all the pundits. Yes, many espouse the humanitarian accept, and the fact that laws need changing, but the financial end is covered very little. Maybe my common sense is working overtime. I have to ask can we afford open borders, are we not being charitable by providing aid to countries that need our help? Yes, we need to always consider those that need asylum. However, it asylum seekers must present a case, and not just walk in and break our laws.

    6. Ken Burgess profile image92
      Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this




      Thousands of military-aged, mostly Honduran males breached the Guatemala border gate [two weekends ago] and stormed the Mexican border bridge; Mexican authorities ultimately let the caravan through.

      A second caravan of 2,000 migrants formed on Sunday and started marching to Guatemala with a plan to reach the U.S. as their final destination.

      According to a Univision correspondent, Bangladeshis joined the migrant caravan before it crossed from Guatemala into Mexico.

      "A Spanish language reporter who has spent weeks embedded with the migrant caravan said in a Friday report that people from Bangladesh had joined the mass of people trying to cross from Guatemala into Mexico.

      The Bangladeshis, he said, were detained in an immigration facility, though it’s not clear what happened to them after their detention."

      "Mostly men now crossing the #Guatamalen border -  rehearsed answer “this is not politics - this is about poverty.” There were women and children but they were at the front of the caravan (smaller numbers). None would say who the organizers are but several said it was organized."

      "Guatemalan intelligence discovered people from India, Bangladesh, Africa had also joined in with the caravan -I bumped into a number of young MS 13 gang members."  5:17 PM - Oct 22, 2018

      We have no idea who these people are. There could be ISIS fighters, MS-13 gang members and people with dangerous diseases, to not thoroughly process who they are, and treat those who are sick, is unconscionable.

      The media outlets that try to paint this as mostly women and children are outright deceiving and lying.  The majority are desperate or dangerous young men, from various parts of the world.

      I believe I stated on here my experiences with this type of situation before, I do not believe for one second that they will be turned away, that the majority will not eventually gain entry.  We have not done this in decades, if ever, so a better alternative than lies and deception should be used... build the wall, build sanitary and safe processing centers, and deal with the reality that they are coming, and its never going to stop, unless and until our own economy collapses and their are better places in the world for them to try and get to.

    7. Sychophantastic profile image86
      Sychophantasticposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      What kind of stupid question is this? What should we do? This caravan is filled with terrorists from the Middle East, rapists, and murderers. We should just drop a small, tactical nuclear weapon on it.

  2. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

    It is pretty simple , Trump should divert the foreign aid of perhaps all central and south  American nations and create a refugee camp  on the Mexico side of our border , label it an international  refugee camp , let the blue helmets man and cycle the refugees back top their respective nations .

  3. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
    JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months ago

    https://hubstatic.com/14257966.jpg

    lol

    1. profile image0
      Ed Fisherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Hey , That's my sister .............

      1. GA Anderson profile image91
        GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I can see the resemblance. (the eyes, the eyes Ed!)

        GA

      2. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
        JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I seriously doubt anyone looks like this where you're from Ed Fisher:



        https://hubstatic.com/14259377.jpg

        Yeah right Ed Fisher aka ahorseback, I seriously doubt anyone looks like this where you live:

    2. Readmikenow profile image95
      Readmikenowposted 17 months ago

      https://hubstatic.com/14258066.jpg

      1. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        +++++++++++++++++++++

        1. profile image0
          RTalloniposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Re staging, this weekend a quick look at a liberal news report showed a hispanic reporter interviewing a supposed boy getting off a raft supposedly trying to get to America. She asked him his age and he replied 14...who knows? After much of her own chatter, she supposedly asked him why he wanted to go to America. He gave a short reply. It was notable that he and his clothing were very clean and his teeth were Hollywood white. He looked amused, was given a backpack, and moved away from cameras. She lied about what his reply to her question was, treating listeners to a longish soliloquy that anyone knowing anything about the language the boy spoke could recognize as a lie. If she had been honest the piece could have been poignant, but she lied. Casually listening to the garbage reports is allowing oneself to be emotionally manipulated. Americans need to be observant instead of being blind followers.

      2. promisem profile image96
        promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        If you think this meme isn't agenda-driven and inflammatory right-wing rhetoric, you are not paying attention.

        1. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Does that mean its message isn't worth considering?

          GA

          1. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            The topic is worth considering. A constant barrage of inflammatory rhetoric like the above meme is not.

        2. hard sun profile image89
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          I can see this being staged by Trump. It looks like we really need to toughen up the border, better vote red to clamp it down. Is this what people are getting out of this? If not, I guess I don't get it. How can the caravan be good for Democrats?

          1. GA Anderson profile image91
            GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I took just the opposite message hard sun. I read it to infer a Democrat ploy to energize Democrat and Independent voters - a la the past "kids in pens" imagery and emotional levers, to come out and vote against Republicans.

            Now, I wonder which was the intended message?

            Wait, you didn't bait me with more sarcasm did you?

            GA

            1. PrettyPanther profile image82
              PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Pssst, Democrats don't get riled up about immigration the way Republicans do. The jailing of children added more passion than is typical, but nowhere near the emotion thinking and talking about immigration engenders in the Republican base. Not even close. Any time immigration is in the forefront of the national psyche, Republicans (the politicians) are happy.

              1. GA Anderson profile image91
                GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Psst, see my reply to hard sun. The issue that I thought might rile up someone's voters was the chaos I imagine happening at the border when the caravan arrives - likely near the mid-terms.

                However, if they won't be arriving by mid-terms, then maybe hard sun's take on the meme might be the right one.

                GA

            2. hard sun profile image89
              hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Ha..no, I didn't bait you though I kind of wish I could honestly say I did! I just genuinely saw it as a way to scare people into voting red to stop the mass invasion and missed the slant where it's good for the Dems.   

              Maybe that has something to do with where I live. This stuff fires up Trump voters. I think most of the people I know would see it as I did.

              As per the issue, I don't have  the answer other than act according to the law. I know that I wish there were someone in the White House who I felt had a good team around him/her, knew how to listen to that team, evaluate the situation, and make the best possible decision given what he/she has to work with. That someone could be Republican or Democrat.

              I just sincerely think Trump is only good at self promotion, playing the media and his followers, and misinformation. I don't think he has what it takes to run anything efficiently, only destroy things efficiently.

              1. GA Anderson profile image91
                GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                I think we are looking at different angles hard sun. I can see your point about immigration issues firing up 'the base', but when I saw the meme I was thinking about the arrival timing. From the perspective of what the administration's response would be to their physical arrival - and I don't see it as being a pleasant image. I see it as a potentially upsetting to folks opposed to stopping illegal immigration - generally described by 'others' as "The Left."

                Maybe we are both right, and the Illuminati posted the meme to play both sides...

                GA

                1. hard sun profile image89
                  hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  I definitely see your angle now GA. If it's as Promisem states, and it appears to be:

                  https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 … ugees.html

                  it's a beautiful piece of right-wing propaganda. "The left wing is encouraging the invasion."  Then again, the back story could all be made up and it's the Russi...I mean Illuminati playing us against each other as you said. RT is one of the main pushers of the Soros conspiracies. If Soros really is behind this, then he's either dumb as a box of rocks, or a double agent who is truly advancing Trump's cause.

                  The thing is, I don't think many of us are as far off on immigration as are the two extremes.  I think most Americans want reasonable policy that allows for legal immigration and taking in of refugees. There are differences in nuances but the goal is the same. I think that in forums, such as these, the differences are often amplified, just as they are in the media and FB memes and such.

                  Are these people immigrants or refugees? I know the difference between the two, but what is the real reason as to why they are coming here? Does it go beyond economics? I don't think we will ever know the truth on that.

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    "I think most Americans want reasonable policy that allows for legal immigration and taking in of refugees. "

                    I don't know - when we have large cities and even states refusing to accept federal law, and doing what they can to assist illegals in violating that law, I'm not so sure that they really DO want a reasonable policy.  Just open borders.

                    "what is the real reason as to why they are coming here? "

                    Because they have been told it is a land of milk and honey, where the "good life" is had by all.  And because they don't want to make the effort to change their own country, of course.

                  2. GA Anderson profile image91
                    GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Regarding your last point hard sun, multiple members of the caravan have spoken to the media, and in their own words, they are leaving their countries for better and safer living conditions - not fleeing persecution or targeted threatened violence - which are the conditions for asylum or refugee status.

                    "A 20-year-old named William said he left Honduras looking for work. There is no work back home," he said. "No future."

                    "One of the migrants marching to Ciudad Hidalgo, Luis Miguel Martinez, 30, also said his goal was to find work in the United States so he could feed his family, including two daughters he left behind in Honduras."

                    "And then there were the deportees. Many of the migrants here had previously lived in the United States... ‘It’s time for me to go back’: Deportees join migrant caravan to return to U.S.... "

                    "... He said he had returned to Guatemala when his visa expired 14 years ago. He found a job at a call center for Metro PCS, the cellular service provider, where he could make the most of his fluent English. But he earned at most $500 per month. Each time he received a call from a customer, the name of the American city where the client lived flashed on his screen. He searched the names of the cities on the Internet and stared at the monitor.

                    “When I heard about the caravan, I knew it was my chance,” he said. He called his cousin and uncle in California and told them he was on his way."

                    "Imner Anthony Fuentes, 29, had the same reaction. He had been deported five months ago from Birmingham, Ala. His son was still living there, with his U.S. citizen girlfriend, not far from the framing store where Fuentes had worked for six years. He was used to the back-and-forth: He said he had been deported six times.

                    “That’s just how it is,” Fuentes said. “They catch you, and you try to get back.”"


                    "Evin Mata, 21, said he was deported three months ago from Fort Lauderdale, Fla., where he worked in construction not far from the city’s airport.

                    “We are workers. What are we supposed to do in Honduras if there’s no work?” he said"

                    "The deportees and returnees were clear about their intentions to cross the border illegally, hoping to slip between patrol officers.

                    “It’s the only way,” said Nestor Reyes, 34"


                    There were also quotes indicating they were fleeing the violence of their nations, some claiming political asylum, and more saying they were just looking for a better life for their families. But I could find no quotes indicating they were asylum seekers.

                    I can see all to be good reasons to apply for immigration permission, but they do not appear to meet the bar for asylum and refugee status.

                    Yet to many of the folks here, those are good enough reasons, regardless of our laws, policies, or the reality of our current illegal immigrant crisis.

                    GA

                    1. Don W profile image83
                      Don Wposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                      For the sake of balance:

                      "They are walking in this mass exodus because they cannot live in their country anymore due to extreme violence,"

                      “We brought our daughters with us because we could not leave them behind. If I left them in Honduras, they would face much danger there because of criminals.”

                      "The 18th Street Gang set up a checkpoint, and every entering driver was asked: Where are you from? Where are you going? Anyone with wrong answers was shot on the spot. "

                      "The migrants and refugees are mostly fleeing a toxic mix of violence, poverty and corruption"

                      "I made the decision to join because there is no other alternative. I was overwhelmed by fear,"

                      “Honduran migrant caravan is not a security threat, but an act of survival by 100s of people escaping extreme violence, poverty, exclusion, and the inability of their government to protect their rights.”

                      "On June 26, 2014, members of the Ponce gang grabbed 13-year-old Andrea Abigail Argeñal Martínez because her family couldn’t afford the “war tax” the gang imposed on its tiny store. They raped Andrea for several days in that house, and called her mother so she could hear the girl’s screams as they cut her to death."

                      "Girls and boys are at risk of recruitment, whereas women can experience intimidation and sexual violence as a means of control by gang members. Families under threat are coerced into abandoning their homes with no hope of return. Many flee their homes because of fear."

                      "Endemic violence and crime have significantly compounded humanitarian needs in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, known as the Northern Triangle of Central America. Close to three million people rely on humanitarian assistance, nearly ten per cent of the total population. A total of 667,000 people have been internally displaced in these three countries."

                      "According to displaced people’s testimonies, internal displacement is often the starting point for a series of journeys with no end and no return in sight. Without adequate assistance and protection in their countries of origin, today’s internally displaced people become tomorrow’s refugees, asylum seekers or migrants."

                      "The Northern Triangle of Central America is one the most dangerous region for women. Seven of the ten countries with the world's highest murder rates for women are located in Central and Latin America."

                      “In El Salvador and Honduras, violence is often a widespread daily occurrence, where families routinely face extortion, and where gangs recruit children by force or make them participate in violent initiation rituals”


                      etc.

                    2. PrettyPanther profile image82
                      PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                      The reality is that they are on their way here, whether they are asylum seekers or not, so we must deal with them in some way.  What would you do if you were the decider?

                    3. hard sun profile image89
                      hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                      I'm sure the matter is a little more complicated than that as I've known people from a couple of these nations...human rights not a high priority. But, I'm not saying this isn't the case, at least for some. There are likely many reasons for the exodus and I'd bet some of them do meet the refugee criteria.

                      This is why it would be good to have an adult in the White House to deal with the matter. He's too busy trying to ban transgender people from being transgender...,you can even do that in Iran. It's another attempt to fire up his base and is one repeatedly done by dictators. What about those born XXY? What about conservatives staying out of people's business. Another topic, but just shows why I don't like Trump being in charge of situations like this.

                      Edit, I see Don W pulled out some other examples. The issue is just too complicated for someone like Trump who's specialty is divide, conquer, and bully.

            3. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, a Democratic ploy is the alleged message. Democrats went to Honduras, hired 7,000 people to march 2,000 miles through Mexico and managed to keep all of them from telling anyone about this massive liberal conspiracy.

              Sarcasm aside, either party could be contributing to the caravan in some way for the sake of political advantage. But reality gets in the way of that idea.

              It's also useless to make such an accusation because it changes nothing. The real issue is what to do with illegal immigrants in general and this caravan in particular.

              Inflammatory, one-sided memes simply divide people even more and solve nothing.

          2. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
            JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Absolutely hard sun, I watched a very brief film clip of the last Bozo Trump hate gathering, you know, the so called rallies which the media no longer covers live because apparently the ratings are WAY Down, and it looked like the 20 or so individuals directly behind him on camera were paid 'Extras" from a casting agency:

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              Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Yeah, Trump needs to hire extras at his rallies....LOL.

      3. crankalicious profile image91
        crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I would agree. Seems like a Republican plot to get people in Texas and Arizona riled up about illegal immigration. We should definitely investigate. How exactly does a caravan like this get going at this particular time? I'd guess the Koch brothers funded it.

    3. PrettyPanther profile image82
      PrettyPantherposted 17 months ago

      I think we should house and feed them while we humanely process them according to our existing laws. Bring in more workers to get it done quickly and efficiently but also fairly and legally.

      1. GA Anderson profile image91
        GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        That sounds like your emotions, (heart), speaking PrettyPanther. Does your reason, (your head), agree with it?

        I feel confident you are aware of the past year's illegal immigrant processing crisis. The child separations, the transnational holding placements - from Maine to Missouri, Delaware to Oregon, the major judicial manpower relocations, (all those emergency judges pulled from their already overloaded dockets and shipped to the border) to process the current backlog of application processes that were generated by an influx that came in groups typically around 8 to 10 people...

        ... and your response to deal with a one-time impact of 4000 - 7000 is to house and feed them until we can process them too?

        At the rate these immigration numbers are mounting, your solution would almost need to turn a state, say New Mexico or Arkansas, or even Texas, into a holding state. At least they could all remain united and in one place, rather than being scattered throughout the nation.

        What does your reason say to that solution?

        And what would your emotion say to the security processes that would have to be implemented to maintain that those in-the-process immigrants stay in those holding states and don't start just slipping out to disappear among the nation's populace - as some of those caravan participants say is their intention? With your reason taking a back seat would your emotion then label such security actions as police state actions?

        The in-the-process immigrants are entitled to a judicial review process, but as has been noted, we don't have enough judges assigned to that process. Do we have enough extra judges nationwide to pull them into that "holding state" to handle the new workload, or would those immigrants have to just stay there until we generate enough new judges to handle that workload, and, the normal judicial workload that is our nation's requirement?

        My "reason" tells me that your "house them and feed them" solution isn't at all a reasonable solution.

        GA

        1. PrettyPanther profile image82
          PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          GA, if we, one of the wealthiest and most civilized and advanced countries in the world, cannot handle 5000 people with advance notice, then we are incompetent and stupid. We have the means and the talent to deal with this. Yes, it would be a logistical nightmare. Yes, it would require massive deployment of resources and people. Yet, that is what we do in times of crisis, whether it's a massive earthquake or hurricane or a response to an attack like 9/11. A competent leader would prepare for it and deal with it. Yes, it would be messy and imperfect but if these people are met with food and water and help, they will likely respond in kind. If they are met with force and fear, they will likely respond in kind.

          1. profile image0
            Ed Fisherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            And therein lay the liberal solution to  the illegal immigration problem present for decades ,  Stop the problem, control or contain , limit the problems in percentages , end the human trafficking , the sexual exploitation of innocent women and children , the drug trafficking , solve the problem ?

            No ,simply open the faucet to full capacity .

          2. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            We ARE incompetent and stupid, for we keep making the same mistake over and over and over when it comes to illegal border crossings.  Rather than shut it down, we let them in with a promise not to do it any more...and then do it again.  Stupid and incompetent; if we were not we would have learned from the European countries that have had large groups of "immigrants" camp on their shores and what happened when they let them in.

            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              That's funny. Arguing from a stance as if this is an isolated incident. I'd agree, if it was an isolated incident. What this caravan represents is a statement. Basically it says we are aware of a national dialogue north of the border and we want Americans to hear loud and clear that open borders is what we demand.

              The foolish idea that our response should be millions (perhaps billions, if such an idea were put into action) spent to somehow appease all parties makes no sense, at all.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                That's the point.  We somehow aren't learning from our own history.

            2. PrettyPanther profile image82
              PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              So, what is your suggested response to the arrival of 5000 nen, women, and children en masse at the border? How do you propose to physically stop them?

              1. lovetherain profile image67
                lovetherainposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                That's the real issue, Aime

                OOPs, i got you confused with her for a minute, sorry lol

                1. PrettyPanther profile image82
                  PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  It happens. No worries. smile

          3. GA Anderson profile image91
            GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            We have been dealing with this illegal immigrant processing problem through multiple administrations for decades. And now we are faced with a potential simultaneous surge of 5000 -10,000 in one hit. So either your thoughts are emotional rather than reasoned, or we all are incompetent and stupid.

            Obviously, I think reality disagrees with your thought that we can just house and feed them, and that they will wait patiently at the border while we do so.

            As for them returning our kindness with kindness, Mexico tried that with shelters, food, and water, at the Guatemala border bridge,  and the caravan did not return that kindness. They ignored the process and the Mexican's plea for patience and surged across the river.

            Does you head, (reason), think they will do differently at our border?

            GA

            1. PrettyPanther profile image82
              PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              So, what is a better solution?  I can think of nothing other than with guns and tanks.  Do you think that is better?

              Their destination was not Mexico, which is why they continued on.  I don't see any other way than what I described, plus the security to back it up, but maybe you have a better solution?  I personally do not think guns and tanks alone is a good idea, but I'm sure plenty of people do.

              Edited to add:  I'm guessing you don't mean to be condescending when you say (twice) I am only using my emotions to consider what should be done when this caravan hits the border, but you are mightily wrong, regardless.  We should be firm about not letting them in, but we should also maintain the peace by providing for their basic needs until they are all processed according to our existing laws.  That is quite a rational position.  Simply turning them away is irrational, in my opinion, as it is clear that if 5-10,000 people want to resist, they will find a way, and what would be the result of that, do you think?  If these people are properly processed and the vast majority are refused entry (which would be the case if you are right that the vast majority do not qualify for asylum), it will deter future caravans from coming.  I know you think we can't do it, but we can.

              1. GA Anderson profile image91
                GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                I don't want to see guns and tanks either PrettyPanther. And I did offer a a possible course of action.

                Do what Mexico tried to do. Set up a registration and processing entry point specifically for this caravan. Get the word about it, and our other existing legal points of entry, to the caravan.

                Then line up the buses, border patrol, and National Guard - if needed, and they all don't need their guns.  I thinking of a catching wall not an armed one. Kind of like a riot squad action.

                Any that line up at these points - from the Mexican side of the border, get food and water, and a chance to request entry - for whatever their reason is. Any that try to circumvent these entry points get immediately bused back into Mexico - with a strike against them against future legal entry efforts.

                They have stated they are coming with intentions of contravening our laws. We can be humanitarian to those that are willing to make the effort to comply, but to the others - I think we should be firm and stand behind our laws. Lawbreakers get immediate deportation. From the desert or the river bank, to the bus, to the Mexican authorities. Done.

                GA

                1. PrettyPanther profile image82
                  PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  How is that different from what I said?

                  1. GA Anderson profile image91
                    GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    I don't want to house and feed them in the U.S. And I don't want to process any - of this caravan - that don't enter the legal processing points.

                    GA

                    1. PrettyPanther profile image82
                      PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                      We are closer than you think.  I stated they should not be allowed to cross the border until they are processed according to our existing laws.

                      Of course, I'm only thinking with my emotions.... big_smile

              2. GA Anderson profile image91
                GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                No, I did not mean to be condescending at all PrettyPanther. My repetition was to reinforce my perspective that you were listening to your heart and not your head.

                Probably surprising to you, I can agree with your [added edit] points, with the added condition that they be processed from the Mexican side of the border, as I explained in my last response to your comment. If Mexico allows them to flout their laws - all the way to the U.S. border, then let Mexico handle the responsibility of sheltering them while they await processing. We could even kick in on needed supplies.

                GA

    4. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 17 months ago

      So the report we saw said up to 7000 are in the caravan now. It's a long way to the American border. I'd say those numbers can swell.

      I will say that the left's rhetoric is probably emboldening those headed our way. And, if the left doesn't consider the possibility of over 7000 people crossing the border illegally being a problem, we've got bigger problems. If this all ends well for these people we'll see larger and larger groups ignoring our laws.

      I sympathize with the stories told by these people but if you are going to claim you are fleeing lawlessness, then flaunt the law in the process, it's hard to sympathize enough to shrug my shoulders and say 'come on in.'

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        "And, if the left doesn't consider the possibility of over 7000 people crossing the border illegally being a problem, we've got bigger problems."

        We've got bigger problems.  Consider the number of sanctuary cities and states that obviously find no problem with hordes of illegal aliens crossing the border illegally...we've got bigger problems.

    5. profile image0
      Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

      You can ALL count on one thing ,  it will be the Trump  that will be the one who accomplished the most with illegal immigration , liberal  "poor little unfed children" syndrome or not . Obama do anything constructive to resolve that ?   Has the democratic house .............ever?

      Yes it all comes down to party.

    6. profile image0
      Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

      The southern border is a human sieve .

      It has been "allowed" to leak profusely ,a doom to any 'normal' national economy and one that constantly affects employment -unemployment , welfare , any social securities , taxation , health care ,  If the US economy wasn't so generally vibrant Americans would be screaming their lungs out to stop this human tragedy .

      Yet , Most Americans DO want this tragic migratory exploitation to end , If not for the perceived  reasons on the right  then to end the borderland suffering of these migrants ---It is unknown how extensive the actual exploitations of women , children and  laborers REALLY is .     

      Fact , Some  studies shown, about eighty percent of illegal immigrant women alone are raped in the deserts by traffickers  ! Funny , that fact alone seemingly would bother even a "normal" liberal  yet................silence.

    7. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 17 months ago

      So, someone here said this issue doesn't fire up democrats, like Republicans.

      That's good. We have two perspectives.

      Law and order vs disregard for US law. 
      I don't think the liberal views laws like the conservative. It could be exactly why we can't get reasonable and enforceable immigration policy. The liberal mind glorifies ideals of defying law and forcibly creating new ones to push their ideals in others. The conservative mind glorifies being a good citizen and orderly changing laws through national dialogue and already agreed upon processes.

      The difference in what our tax dollars should be spent on and how much can be taken from us helps the liberal not fret over border control. The conservative worries about costs, the liberal, potential votes.

      The difference in expectations of quality of life for immigrants helps the liberal mind not fret. The liberal thinks entry into the US, handing out public assistance, shows love and ends their responsibility to pay attention. The conservative wants ordered entry so those who come have a fair chance at attaining the American dream.

      This is, by necessity, overly simplified. But liberals claim conservative concerns are based on racism and hatred. I think conservative concerns are rooted in a desire to ensure the American dream remains alive and those who enter legally have the ability to attain it.

      I could go on, but the truth is conservatives care more deeply for a broader range of humanity and think about the ramifications of actions more completely than the liberal mind can fathom. Instead of fighting, the two views should work together to find solutions.

      1. hard sun profile image89
        hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        There's a lot of generalizations here, and we could debate them point by point but it makes no sense to me. People have nuanced views on things, and most of us don't follow party lines on every issue, let alone on how we think.

        The entire diatribe here is in opposition to the final sentence ". Instead of fighting, the two views should work together to find solutions." You're stating all liberals think like this and all conservatives think like that. If only all liberals would think like all conservatives, we could work together.  I don't even agree that all "liberals" think alike, let alone the rest of it.

        One thing though "The conservative worries about costs, the liberal, potential votes."

        Of course liberals worry about votes..conservatives don't? Ted Cruise is licking Trump's boots now after Trump insulted his family. Also, if conservatives worry about costs so much, why is the debt skyrocketing under Trump?

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Good points. As I stated, generalizations. Plenty of them. But my generalizations were in response to the idea that conservatives are racist and mean spirited. I think both views have their particular merits. They should be discussed.  The vote thing, though....one wants votes from people who already have a dog in the fight. Who already remit taxes to pay for government policy. It isn't a long term plan to outnumber through attrition. It's kind of like where I lived once. Little town next to a large city. Bedroom communities sprouted up, city folk wanting country life....but their way. Higher taxes resulted, leash laws, lawsuits against people who had been there for years doing business. They changed the landscape until small town life looked like big city life. Seemed a like unfair.

          1. hard sun profile image89
            hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I'm not entirely disagreeing with everything here. Often times, at the city level, I don't like Dems as they bring to many regulations that do affect my life. Then again, the silly Republicans here mess with people as well.

            The vote thing, though....one wants votes from people who already have a dog in the fight. Who already remit taxes to pay for government policy.

            So, you are stating that these immigrants or refugees are going to come here and vote? I don't think that's a factor. If you think it's about years down the line after they may become citizens, I don't think politicians care one bit about votes years down the line.

            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Eventually, of course they will vote. In the interim, they can influence those already voting.

              Your comment about democrats and Republicans. I agree. I think that is why I'm more for limiting the government than expanding it's tentacles. Whatever group is in power...Whatever groups affect change of laws...those laws will be counter to what a percentage of the population considers fair and right. More laws are a no win proposition. They are a stranglehold which will eventually suffocate more and more citizens.

              1. hard sun profile image89
                hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                I only see these migrants giving the Republicans a boost in voter excitement for November.

                I agree about big government. Except, I do think we need things such as environmental regulations, worker protections, etc. They must be well-crafted to not backfire and hurt the poor though. Too many times, big businesses are allowed to pay to play and such, where the smaller guys don't even have a chance to get going. I'm more worried about government interference on a local level.

                I have a big libertarian streak in me when it comes to personal freedoms, but the cause is most often used as a way to gain advantage to those who are already in power, which is not Libertarian at all. I've said I'm a left-leaning libertarian, which seems counter-intuitive. However, the political spectrum follows no rules and this is why I grow so weary of reading "your party" blah blah blah. Just because I don't like Trump doesn't mean I like everything Nancy Pelosi is about.

                1. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Very reasonable, in my opinion.

                2. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  "Except, I do think we need things such as environmental regulations, worker protections, etc. They must be well-crafted to not backfire and hurt the poor though."

                  I think we all agree we need such protections; the days of extremely hazardous sweatshops and smokestacks pouring pollutants into our lungs must not return.

                  But.  The only way not to hurt the poor (the small business man, for instance) is to make them exempt from the laws.  The laws that provide for the clean air the poor breathe, the laws that protect the poor from hazardous work places, the laws that provide the poor with ADA ramps and bathrooms.  We must tell the poor that they need not participate in actions that protect people; that they have no responsibility there.  THAT hurts the poor as much or more than it helps.

                  A conundrum, then, that is one of the major reasons that small businesses are becoming ever more rare; it is nearly impossible for a new startup to comply with federal laws to protect us all, including the poor.

    8. psycheskinner profile image83
      psycheskinnerposted 17 months ago

      Why are we talking about votes.  Immigrants legal or illegal cannot vote in Federal elections.  I've been here two decades on the slow and expensive path to citizenship and I can't vote.  Not just that I wouldn't, it is literally impossible as there is no way to be on the voting role and if I try I would be deported.

      1. hard sun profile image89
        hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        We are talking about rallying the citizens for votes based on the immigration issue.

        However, I do know there are some out there who claim mass voter fraud, allowing non-citizens to vote, etc. That's another story of misinformation.

        1. hard sun profile image89
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Apologies PsycheSkinner, I don't know, maybe some here are concerned about these immigrants voting, IDK...I'm not.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image82
            PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Some people believe that immigrants vote illegally in large numbers, even though there is no evidence to support this belief.

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Not just large numbers but "millions". Or was it billions? And all of them voted for Hillary Clinton. Not a one for Donald Trump.

              The propagana flies so freely it's hard to keep up with the numbers.

      2. promisem profile image96
        promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Your comment is interesting. We have been told repeatedly that millions of illegal immigrants easily voted for Hillary Clinton.

        I'm surprised our government makes it so hard for you to vote but so easy for them. On the other hand, maybe we don't have millions of illegal voters.

      3. profile image57
        Saheevposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Pardon me for bursting in here as a newbie & unsure of protocol but your comment SHOCKED me to the core & I feel compelled to respond immediately! I thought it was common knowledge that it's been PROVEN that illegals ABSOLUTELY vote in US elections because it's easily available info on the internet/Google even if MSM refuses to air it!? There are studies, interviews, video evidence, lawsuits, investigations, etc. It's even Organized Fraud by PACs, ncaap, acorn, etc. I'm posting a few links in case you'd like to broaden your knowledge on this huge and growing problem & understand the impact of illegals on ALL of our rights, benefits & privileges. If there are 100,000 in PA, how many are there in al the other States!??
        https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018 … d-vote-pa/
        https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017 … elections/
        https://www.conservativereview.com/news … elections/
           https://youtu.be/ILJDudUpct0   
               https://youtu.be/ILJDudUpct0     
        http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/ … in-texas/.

    9. profile image0
      Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

      Liberal immigration policy equivalence ?   

      Let's eliminate speed limit laws  , perhaps especially by the elementary schools ,   that way we won't need to have laws and of course everyone will be reasonable as they drive by ?

    10. profile image0
      Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

      This how illegal immigrants in Mexico on their way to America view Trump and the rule of law ,
      https://hubstatic.com/14259328.jpg

      Let us into America  the shining star on the hill or you are all Nazi's !

      Tell me they aren't democrats again .................

    11. Readmikenow profile image95
      Readmikenowposted 17 months ago

      https://hubstatic.com/14259521.jpg

    12. Kenna McHugh profile image91
      Kenna McHughposted 17 months ago

      The problem with these situations is those who are marching are not aware of what is really happening. Proper education and enlightenment are lacking.

    13. profile image0
      Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

      https://hubstatic.com/14259599.jpg

      They are not coming here because they love America , our weather , our history , our language , our people ,  our government , our military , they are coming here for money , free benefits and because they want what you do have .

    14. PrettyPanther profile image82
      PrettyPantherposted 17 months ago

      “Give me your tired, your poor,
      Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
      The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
      Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
      I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

      We should take it down if we no longer mean it. At least we would not be lying to the world.

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        We're lifting our lamp by the golden door and people decide not to follow the light but to sneak through the shadows.

    15. profile image0
      Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

      They are violently attacking Mexico's police , robbing markets for provisions on their way to Your Town USA  according to American Thinker site .  Little different than the Irish - Chinese immigrants looking for Railroad constructing jobs in 1850 no ?
      https://hubstatic.com/14259619.jpg

      1. IslandBites profile image87
        IslandBitesposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        That poor man. First in 2016 and now again! yikes

        June, 2016

        https://www.la-prensa.com.mx/mexico/123 … es-galindo

        https://psn.si/cnte-enfrenta-a-policia- … z/2016/06/

        (Psst... Fake news!)

        roll

        1. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          LOL. You win the prize of the week for nailing fake news!

        2. Ken Burgess profile image92
          Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Damn, that's one unlucky sumbich!!!
          2016 and again now!  He might want to find a new line of work!

    16. profile image0
      Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

      ".......An adult in the White House .....?" Welcome to President  Obama's America ...........?
      https://hubstatic.com/14260299.jpg


      https://hubstatic.com/14260300.jpg


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      https://hubstatic.com/14260307.jpg

      1. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        Pres. Trump , Let's Build a city for the caravan that will be a shining city , we HAVE to keep liberals happy  ?
        https://hubstatic.com/14260311.jpg

      2. Readmikenow profile image95
        Readmikenowposted 17 months ago

        As someone who spent time in the military, I can tell you the logistics involved with meeting the needs of 7,000 individuals on a daily basis is quite a task.  Doing this requires food, sanitation, water, sleeping needs as well as medical needs and more for thousands of people every day.  So, who is making all of this possible?  How are they eating?  Where are they sleeping? I think the news just shows up arranged footage.  There is MUCH more to this story than we know.


        https://hubstatic.com/14260342.jpg

        1. hard sun profile image89
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          If anyone is paying for this, it's likely Trump firing up the base. You guys are proof of that possibility. But, Trump would have to borrow the money. I have military experience also..that doesn't mean a great deal here TBH.

          1. Readmikenow profile image95
            Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            You have no facts to support your allegations against President Donald Trump.  One of my jobs in the military required I make certain thousands of traveling soldiers had what they needed on a daily basis. My POINT was the logistics for making this happen for thousands of people on a daily basis requires organization, supplies, supply routes, delivery methods and more. Moving these many people thousands of miles is very involved.  You get low marks for reading comprehension.

            1. hard sun profile image89
              hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              No one has facts about ANYONE funding this. Ha ha, trying to hurt my feelings? Better move on to the next individual for those efforts. You get lower marks for understanding facts.It doesn't take military experience, or any experience, to understand logistics on that broad level. BTW, wouldn't soldiers need a little more equipment than immigrants?

              At any rate, this is firing you all up so if anyone is funding this, it's not liberal interests IMO..my OPINION is better than yours,

              Would you support not seating Democrats who win House or Senate seats?

            2. profile image0
              Ed Fisherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              ++++++++++++++++++++++++
              Nobody "walks " 1,700 miles on an empty stomach without major ,major logistics in place  , wonder where Soros is hiding the tents ?

          2. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Your point is well taken. Then again, maybe neither side is paying for it. How do 10,000 people all keep their massive international conspiracy so secret?

            But logic doesn't stop some people from posting inflammatory memes that are meant to divide the country rather than solve our problems.

            1. hard sun profile image89
              hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Agreed I think absolutely likely neither side is paying for this. We need real discussion about immigration policy like we did back with the Gang of Eight Bill, no it wasn't perfect, but it was solid...the extremists won't allow that discussion anymore.

              Everyone is the enemy except for those that support Trump. That attitude alone would lose my support, even if I agreed with all his policy and everything else he said.

              1. promisem profile image96
                promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Trump and some of his supporters are claiming without evidence that George Soros is paying them.

                One or more Trump supporters responded by mailing Soros a bomb.

                https://www.bing.com/search?q=george+so … 8A237BD074

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  As someone pointed out, someone is providing trucks, fuel, food, water, etc.  I refuse to believe that refugees from a third world country are able to trek thousands of miles without help.

                  Maybe it's Mexico.  Maybe it's Russia.  Maybe it's Trump, Soros or Clinton.  Maybe it's a coalition of farmers near the border.  Maybe it's the idiots in sanctuary cities.

                  I certainly don't know who it is, but someone is funding that army.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image95
                    Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    That is my point.  If we find out who, we would know the real story behind this attempted invasion.  If only we had journalists dedicated to discovering the truth.

                    1. promisem profile image96
                      promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                      If we only had real conservatives who care more about the truth than their favorite propaganda source.

                  2. promisem profile image96
                    promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    There are photos and news stories of people along the way giving them food and money.

                    I agree with you that secret help is possible. But no matter how hard Fox News and other conservative media try, they so far can't find any proof of government involvement.

                    Until then, I suggest we focus more on solving the problem rather than making accusations against either side without proof.

                    I'll at least meet you halfway with the idea that the Mexican government is not discouraging and maybe even encouraging the caravan.

                    That's easy to believe because the entire country is so po'd at Trump's insults.

                2. hard sun profile image89
                  hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  That's horrid..especially that our President has a good deal of culpability here. His dictatorial tendencies are extraordinary for American politics.

                  That's why I'm adding this to every post..this is what dicators do..divide the country,  and take out the enemy,  "lock her up" it's insane.

                  "Everyone is the enemy except for those that support Trump. That attitude alone would lose my support, even if I agreed with all his policy and everything else he said."

                  1. promisem profile image96
                    promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    At the rate he keeps encouraging violence against his opponents, I won't be surprised if people start getting killed rather than assaults and bombs in the mail.

                    1. Live to Learn profile image81
                      Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                      Oh, that ship sailed. Remember the shooting at the ballpark? I constantly wonder why the left doesn't hold its own rhetoric responsible for violence it causes.

                      1. promisem profile image96
                        promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                        Of course I remember it along with other acts of violence by disturbed people on both sides of the political spectrum.

                        But the difference here is that it's the President of the United States encouraging rather than condemning violence.

                        I don't care which party he represents (although Trump is Republican in name only). POTUS should automatically condemn violence.

                3. Readmikenow profile image95
                  Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  "One or more Trump supporters responded by mailing Soros a bomb" 

                  Once again struggling with the concept of facts and evidence.

                  Your imagination does not make it true.

                  1. profile image0
                    Ed Fisherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Imagination ;   The greatest ideal of the liberal .  Remember people  "If we repeat the lie enough ,It eventually becomes the truth ".

                    Trump's paying the Hondurans , Somebody call  Mueller !

                  2. promisem profile image96
                    promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Really? The police are lying?

                    Obviously you didn't click on the link to see numerous news sources quoting the police.

                    How much more deeply in denial can one go? Are the police also part of this vast left-wing conspiracy you imagine?

                    1. Readmikenow profile image95
                      Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                      There is no PROOF only speculation.  EVIDENCE has not revealed who is responsible.

                      1. promisem profile image96
                        promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                        You didn't answer my question. Are the police lying about the bomb?

                        Did I say who did it? Of course not.

                        Are Trump and his supporters blaming Soros? Of course they are.

                4. Sychophantastic profile image86
                  Sychophantasticposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Everyone knows there is a vast Jewish conspiracy headed by George Soros to undermine our values and our government. We must stop Soros!

              2. Don W profile image83
                Don Wposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Some background information:

                The caravan is part of a series of caravans called "Viacrucis del Migrante" ("Migrant's Way of the Cross"), organized by a group called Pueblo Sin Fronteras (people/ towns without borders)(1)

                ("way of the cross" references a Catholic devotion that commemorates the ordeal of Jesus on his last day on earth).

                Pueblo Sin Fronteras organizes and assists group journeys for migrants. From its website:

                "For more than fifteen years, members of Pueblo Sin Fronteras have been reaching out to the most vulnerable immigrants in the United States and to migrants and refugees on the move. We are a collective of friends who decided to be in permanent solidarity with displaced peoples. We accompany migrants and refugees in their journey of hope, and together demand our human rights. We provide humanitarian aid and legal advise to migrants and refugees."(2)

                Previous caravans:

                2018: March 25 (Palm Sunday) a caravan of around 500 people left Tapachula. The caravan grew to around 1000 people before reaching its destination on April 29, 2018 (Friendship Park on the US/Mexico border)(3)(4)(5).

                2017: April 9 (Palm Sunday) the group organized and documented a similar caravan, that reached its destination, San Ysidro port, on May 6 (6)(7)(8).

                The group's website lists a series of benefits/marches/rallies/events in 2018, and has a "donate" button(9).

                The group also has a Facebook page(10) and released a statement on the 2018 caravan(11).

                (1)(2) http://www.pueblosinfronteras.org/index.html
                (3) https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/poli … 56621.html
                (4) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/02/worl … trump.html
                (5) https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/car … -s-n869821
                (6) http://www.pueblosinfronteras.org/refug … _2017.html
                (7) https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 … on-asylum/
                (8) https://www.facebook.com/PuebloSF/posts … 863363674/
                (9) http://www.pueblosinfronteras.org/press.html
                (10) https://www.facebook.com/PuebloSF
                (11) https://www.facebook.com/PuebloSF/photo … mp;theater

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Are you suggesting that ultimately the Catholic Church is behind this fiasco?  It could be, I suppose - the church is not known for recognizing any authority but itself.

                  1. Don W profile image83
                    Don Wposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    "Are you suggesting that ultimately the Catholic Church is behind this fiasco?"

                    No I was explaining what "Way of the Cross" means for those who may not understand the reference.

                2. hard sun profile image89
                  hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Wow! That really makes sense. It looks like some actual research done here. Thanks.

                  Why wouldn't there be organizations like this? Investigating a few links here, I think you found the funding culprits, lol.

                  Edit, I'll let Don W speak on this, but...just because some Catholics get together and do some things, it does't mean "the Catholic Church" is behind it. I mean, damn, the church across the street has food drives...I think even some of that food may go to illegal immigrants. Is the Protestant Church behind an invasion of America?

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        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        I truly believe for liberals this isn't even about the basic treating of humanity  , this is about the wanton destruction of the America , it's traditions , it's government  and  opposing leadership both present and past that they despise .

        Tip and tear ,rip and tear.....

        How about IF it were truly about humanity ,we do something about San Francisco , LA. , Seattle, or small town USA ..... first ?
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        1. Sychophantastic profile image86
          Sychophantasticposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          And George Soros is the leader!

      4. hard sun profile image89
        hard sunposted 17 months ago

        Could this be a way to help Trump to challenge the election results if Dems take the House and or Senate?  Remember his commission trying to prove voter fraud that went nowhere? Is he setting it up?

        There were so many accusations about Obama and how he wouldn't leave the White House but there was NO evidence of that.

        How many here would support Trump in not recognizing the election results if he doesn't get the result he wants? How many here are willing to destroy America for Trump?

        https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pa … 7dh6RLo4XQ

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          LOL. We've had two years of the left refusing to accept election results.

          1. hard sun profile image89
            hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Trump is President isn't he? The piece speaks of the President actually challenging the results and not honoring the vote....not just people protesting and what not. The article shows Twitter quotes so the source doesn't matter, just an FYI.

            Would you support Dems winning the House but not being seated?

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              Ed Fisherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Not Gonna happen ! Seen the early results ?

            2. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Of course I wouldn't support the same shenanigans from the right that we've seen from the left. I've been quite vocal about that.

              1. hard sun profile image89
                hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                That seems good. But, the Dems weren't in a position to stop Trump from being President. What if Trump refuses to allow Dems to take their Congressional seats? I'm assuming you would not support that.

                My issue is that Trump is making statements already that seem meant to invalidate the results just in case Dems win. He did this before the Residential election and he still won. It's a set up for in case he loses.

                At this point, Trump has made it imperative that the US have our elections monitored by the UN or some such...that's an indication of how damaging to democracy his is.

                1. Sychophantastic profile image86
                  Sychophantasticposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  We know that if Dems win, it's because of illegal immigrants voting, so if President Trump refuses to let them take their seats, he is only following the law.

                  1. hard sun profile image89
                    hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    That's about the gist of things from where I'm seated. Thankfully, I didn't have to purchase this seat.

      5. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        Ah ! The Huffington Post ,  alt liberals at it again .......shall we raise the Mother Earth , all the other alt-left rags that just hate Trump?

        Trump , if even dems do win the house , would bully , push ,cajole , twist and deform their entire message like he does now .  Democrats  learned to eat sleep and breath political correctness that they THOUGHT would propel them through this entire "Resistance " destruction of all the political Trumpisms .  They haven't YET figured out that  P.C. obstruction is naturally repelled by Trump .

        This is what COULD happen . Democrats under Trump have so continuously "shot themselves in the foot " that even taking the house means little , Trump will 'executive order' his way through the political sensitivities of the Pelosi Patrol .

      6. hard sun profile image89
        hard sunposted 17 months ago

        I thought Soros was paying them? Turn it around, and it's a lie...despite there being no evidence for either of them...and it actually making more sense for it to be someone supporting Trump.

        Someone who supports violence against Americans they disagree with and the media should not be given much attention anyway.

        No Trump supporter is willing to state that they would not support circumventing the Constitution by not honoring November's vote?

        1. PrettyPanther profile image82
          PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          The size of the caravan waxes and wanes. The thousands of people in it are clustered in smaller groups stretching over hundreds of miles. People are kind and will offer food and water, and rides, as they pass through. The Mexican government is also providing food and water and medical treatment.

          There is no evidence that the caravan is being funded by a political group on either side, just a bunch of partisan speculation.

          http://www.startribune.com/migrant-cara … 498132181/

          1. hard sun profile image89
            hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Well stated. I just like to turn the propaganda around on them, creating an even more likely scenario, and watch them scream about lack of facts, lol.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image82
              PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Oops, I actually meant that in response to wilderness. Oh well, I'm sure he'll see it.

          2. Readmikenow profile image95
            Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            "We're warriors, we got to get to the place we got to get to. We're gonna keep on going and we're not gonna stop," Luis Puerto, 39, of Colon, Honduras, said in English."

            This is an invasion.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image92
              Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              smile I finally figured out the answer to this problem!

              Call out the Army, the Marines, the Reserves! 
              Tens of thousands of them!
              Put them on the border with 5 ton trucks (or whatever they have these days for transportation) lined up to take each and everyone.



              And then put them on those trucks and drive them all the way to Canada, and make sure they don't re-enter.  Canada wants all the 'refugees' it can get, their President says so all the time.

              Yay, no more problem!

      7. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
        JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months ago

        https://hubstatic.com/14260641.jpg

        I mean seriously, Hondurans really don't frighten me, but what the hell are we doing about the Irish Invasion ?? Where's the freakin' wall ?? Estimated 10,000 to 50,000 Irish illegals who come from poverty stricken Ireland which is extremely violent by nature: They bring filthy habits and who knows what else from their native land ??

        Anyone seen any Irish babies in cages lately ?? WHY Not ??

        "FactCheck: Are there really only 10,000 undocumented Irish in the USA?"

        http://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-undo … 7-Aug2017/

      8. hard sun profile image89
        hard sunposted 17 months ago

        Just to reinforce my point about needing an adult in the White House. Trump tweets about immigration law and doesn't even have is facts straight. This is the President!!!

        Trump tweet:
        "Full efforts are being made to stop the onslaught of illegal aliens from crossing our Southern Border. People have to apply for asylum in Mexico first, and if they fail to do that, the U.S. will turn them away. The courts are asking the U.S. to do things that are not doable!

        "To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status."
        https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu … ted-states

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        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        I don't care how Trumps rhetoric sparks the left , AS LONG as the left ignores conveniently their own party's major platform of inciting violence , as far as I'm concerned Trumps just returning the favor .

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        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        I always find letting the evidence speaks for itself is the best truth there is when debating the naivete - NO deliberate bias of the left  .






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        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        You DO Realize that the lefts political violence has been around since the nineteen sixties right ?

        I mean .......Right ?

        1. hard sun profile image89
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          So what? Are you holding me accountable for things that happened when I wasn't born? What about Trump now..what about you NOW, with your advocating of violence?

          You made it clear you would not mind violence toward those who don't support Trump thus you threatened me, and most everyone I converse with.

          Or, we can agree that violence against one another, no matter our views, is uncalled for...I tried that once before and you didn't want to go with that. Otherwise, I'll take your comments and lack of a non-violence pact as nothing but keyboard courage.

      12. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        Those on the right  could openly and vocally support all of Trump's rhetoric  and still not be as supporting  of violence as the absolute defending the left does daily by your conveniently ignoring  the point of this conversation .

        THE MAJORITY OF VIOLENCE IS FROM THE LEFT !

        1. hard sun profile image89
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          You can't even state you don't advocate violence toward me. What does that say? Keyboard courage? In real life, words, or even a lack of them, have consequences.

          1. hard sun profile image89
            hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I take that as a direct threat

      13. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        " Hard Sun ", first  at least I use my real name .   Second , I  admit
        I am one of those conservatives who's evolved in genetics from the revolutionary war here  in America who believes today that  YES  let's all on the right hand it back to the left as they wish it  . Let's give them what they wish for , an equal revolutionary leftist rhetoric towards violence ....................Is that what you want me to say ?

        No , I don't promote any of that , anywhere near the violence that your party daily promotes , from the lead spokespeople , Nancy Pelosi , down to the  actual democrat on the street .

        Liberals today would love that ........No ?

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Your real name? How many names do you have ahorseback?

        2. hard sun profile image89
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Ok..the name thing again? All my info is right there for anyone to look at horsey, you know that..name and all. You've displayed enough info where you can easily be found as well so we are on even ground there. I can't even have a conversation with someone who refuses to even acknowledge basic facts.

          If you ever want do want to stop the keyboard courage, and attempt to follow through on your wishes for harm to come to people like me...just let me know.

          Or, you could just state that you wish no harm to me and end the silliness now. I wish all the best to you.

          I have revolutionary war, civil war (South and north) WWII, Vietnam vets, all in my direct line and served in the military myself...that means nothing in this conversation.

      14. hard sun profile image89
        hard sunposted 17 months ago

        https://hubstatic.com/14261246.jpg

        Just a reminder of the disrespectful tone set from the beginning by Trump supporters. No, this isn't violence, but this type of discourse is not conducive to peace or a strong union.

        .F your feelings about what? Everything. The guy looks a lot like horsey...is that you?



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        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          https://hubstatic.com/14261329.jpg


          Not sure what point you were hoping to make, but this photo is violence on the left, the ones you posted, no violence on the right.


          This is a link to violence caused by the new social media left, please note that violence followed a post that turned out to be mostly a lie.

          https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/10/2 … rstanding/

          1. hard sun profile image89
            hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I told you my point "Just a reminder of the disrespectful tone set from the beginning by Trump supporters. Just needs some balance in the discussion

            1. IslandBites profile image87
              IslandBitesposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              'Potential explosive devices' sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN just one day after bomb found in Soros' mailbox

              Law enforcement officials said a device sent to former secretary of state Hillary Clinton in New York is thought to be the work of the person who sent a similar device to billionaire George Soros. A package sent to former president Barack Obama’s home in Washington was also intercepted.

              The device sent to Time Warner Center was constructed with a pipe and wires, according to an NYPD source. Law enforcement authorities are treating the device as a real explosive.

              The device was discovered in the mailroom of Time Warner Center.

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                Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Yep, there's plenty of evil to go around isn't there?

              2. hard sun profile image89
                hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Wow. It's getting out of control. This is why I can definitely and quickly say that I wish no harm upon those who disagree with me politically.

                We need a President that doesn't call the press and the Dems the enemy of the people. He is the leader...it starts with him.

            2. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              I wish we could all get past the point of 'adding balance', accept the situation is out of hand on all fronts, stop laying blame and agree on how we will all conduct ourselves civilly from here on out.

              1. hard sun profile image89
                hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                I've already done that. I've stated I wished the best to someone who could not say the same back to me. And I did it again, and I'll do it again now. There's no reason for violence or wishing harm upon anyone. I wish everyone the best.

                Civility must be returned and respect is a two-way street.

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              Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Indeed, Trump HAS set a disrespectful tone all along.  He wasn't my choice for Republican nominee.  However, I do long to see the gross tidal wave of liberal policies held off for as long as possible.

              1. hard sun profile image89
                hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                I can see that as I am really a moderate. I don't likely agree with you on everything but likely more than we realize.

                I simply don't think Trump should have been anywhere near the White House...but he is and now we watch what happens. I hope things turn out for the best.

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        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        As many can see HERE  the left is acting out it's true ANTIFA on the street , all across our country wearing there antifa masks  ? Do you have a brick in hand , a molotov cocktail   ?    I am glad for this coming caravan for the good that will come of it , The Wall .    Believe me there will likely come a permanent refugee camp and thus an end to human trafficking and associated crimes against humanity  !

        The violence is and was already here and we ALL know where that originates from , from the left .  Hard sun , I don't have to announce or denounce violence against you or anyone --------I don't belong to the party that breeds , promotes or  perpetuates violence !  ------- Your party , in it's childish reaction to political defeat,  has acted shamefully for two full years .  Time for democrats and especially for you to get over it !

        Isn't it time to politically mature , time to accept political defeat and move into the future in a wiser frame of mind and not resort to throwing rocks in a crowd ,  burning the pavement down ,  calling for the next stage after a defeat , Did the right act like your party after Obama took office ?   No .

        Fess'  up Hard sun  ',.... The left thinks they want this civil war that they cannot have without an opposing force in the street , at best that's very psychologically interesting but it won't be up to me whether it happens , in fact it won't happen at all until the right becomes as enraged and senseless as the left is.

        This caravan is but one more tool to use against a Trump administration  , a weaponization of  the existing rule of law and order , all  turned into bricks , rocks , fire to throw and all likely organized from the left .

        Democrats and their organised government leaderships have had EVERY chance to do something about the problem on our southern border and did nothing ???????..........Now  , like all of Trump's major accomplishments ,  Let Trump deal with what YOU couldn't and wouldn't do , Why ?   
        Because he can and will do it !

        1. hard sun profile image89
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          I don't know anyone in antifa  though they seem just as deplorable as you are.  I'm sure you know much more about than I do..or more of what you're told they're about. Are you scared or something? I can't even read all of your ramblings.

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        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        For someone who claims no party affiliation it's kinda strange ,  you're sure acting out your inner Antifa but either way  .     It is the left that acts out  those violence inciting tendencies by the majority and you know that  .     It is also obvious that which Antifa is attempting to do , going around in crowds of like minded , civil order destroyers challenging only the individual . In restaurants , in front of media  entrances , on elevators while surrounded by the safety of the crowd , how cowardly .

        Similarly , you challenge me from behind your blue glow keyboard to declare what ?  My violent tendency to you ?  Dream on ......  My advice ; face the truth . If there actually is a definition to Antifa  your insults would bare close comparison to them.   As yet the Antifa from your party doesn't quite dare to symbolically step into the personal space of anyone on the right .

        Congratulations that symbolism fits you all very well.

        1. hard sun profile image89
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          I was asking if your are scared of Antifa...and asking you to state you wish no harm to me...that was a difficult one for you. There really is no reason to take things that far. Like I said before, I wish you all the best.

      17. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        Hard sun , I fear nothing , not Antifa , the left or their activism lately turning quite violent . Fear is for old ladies and children ..........I fear for the future of a once great nation that BOTH parties once understood , accepted and manifested for the better of mankind in world wide proportions.     I do fear and believe that there is an equal and opposing force on the right however waiting in the wings. One that is harder to ignite  but just as volatile in it's capabilities , unless Live To Learn is right about those grenades .......;-}

        1. hard sun profile image89
          hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Cool, but I know a number of children and "old ladies" with no fear. Kids are often the least fearful and thus the most dangerous...thus using them for suicide bombers, etc. The elderly often have less fear as they figure they are closer to death anyway.

      18. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
        JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months ago

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        First of all, we still don't know what the true origin of the 'Honduran Parade' is and for all we know, it's just a staged event produced and financed by Bozo Trump's and repugnantkin's donors:

        But let's say for arguments sake that this is actually a Parade of Honduran's marching 1600 miles toward the USA and let's say some of them actually make it to our door step:

        To answer the question: "What Should The U.S. Do When The Coming Immigrant Caravan Arrives"

        Here's a thought, WHY not do what Jesus would do and all good, genuine Christians would do and I think we all know what that is right?: And I'm talking about REAL Christians, not phony fake charlatans like Jerry Falwell Junior:

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          Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Jesus would not support lawlessness Jake.

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Let's not be hasty here...when Jesus found people making money in what he considered his house he threw them out on the spot.  Maybe that's what Jake means.

          2. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
            JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Well Hxprof with no picture, I'm not aware of any who have broken any laws and of course a "Honduran Parade" marching down the highway is not illegal and Jesus knew no boundaries: read your bible, try not to listen to charlatans like Jerry Falwell Junior who is obviously just fleecing his flock of followers for everything they have:

            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              LOL.  Now you're speaking for Jesus? I've heard it all.

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
                JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Hxprof mentioned 'lawlessness' and I simply informed him of the fact that nobody has broken any laws by marching in a parade down the highway unless a permit is needed which I doubt, and yes, I've read the REAL Holy Bible, not a charlatan's guide to 'fleecing a flock' like obviously Jerry Falwell Junior has read:

                I have a funny feeling pretty soon Jerry FJ will be peddling worthless "Trump University Diplomas" and cheap, meaningless $2.00 MAGA hats to his flock:

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                  Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Using Christ to justify your social justice agenda, which involves theft and coercion, won't make it right.

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                  Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  In the same vein, Falwell Jr. using scripture to fleece God's people is foul stuff.

                3. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  "nobody has broken any laws by marching in a parade down the highway unless a permit is needed which I doubt"

                  It is illegal to stand on a freeway.  It is illegal to impede traffic.  It is illegal to intentionally put children in danger.  And it is most definitely illegal to march across the border on a highway.

                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    lol: Are these the laws in South America? If South American laws have been infracted, then why hasn't anyone in the Honduran Parade been fined? Perhaps because it's really a BIG Staged Show by Republican Donors to try and deflect attention away from Bozo Trump's justice department suing to terminate 'pre-existing conditions' which will severely DEGRADE your healthcare and from republican Mutt McConnell's plan to CUT social security and medicare:

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                      Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                      So you acknowledge and agree that this group is lawless.

                      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
                        JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                        I never said that and you know it Hxprof, stop making things up out of thin air like 'stubby' Trump does almost every single putrid day: Anyone with a semblance of a brain can go back and read my last comment

                        But I do know this is an orange cowardly traitor who appeases our enemies like Vladimir Putin and he must be punished for his betrayal of the USA:

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Xw0_2eMJg

                4. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  The REAL Holy Bible? Sounds cultish Jake. That's what crazies say when they come door knocking.

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                    Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    It's the cult of 'Make Up Crap', also known as social justice.

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        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        Trump says " Maybe we need to stop ALL migrants and immigration at the southern borders  " Homeland Security , Border Patrol , the military ,  End it now Trump and end the aid to these national exporters of their  excess overbred humanity .

        1. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
          JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Forget the "Honduran Parade", if we really wanna' "MAGA" we need to deport about 10 Trump's instead:

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        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        Don W, Mongolian hordes ?   The laws of sovereignty and constitutional directives to the executive branch don't care if they are catholic nuns on donkeys , the moment mass migrations illegally cross our borders as up to  25,000,000 million people seriously affect our health , our economy ,our job  numbers ,  our crime statistics etc ...................
        Why do you think that it's IN the constitution for ?
        Why do you think the executive branch has that power ?

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        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        I.C.E. Federal budget , Six[6]  Billion [ 6,000,000,000 ] dollars a year , interesting that Trump is expanding that budget in 2019 by almost another bIllion dollars .       Interesting that liberals are fighting a brain- melt over the "costs " of building the wall .

        So much for any fiscal responsibility talk ?

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        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        Trump has every right and a legal , constitutional obligation to stop this caravan and the one[s ] following it ,  It should be abundantly clear to the the "open border brigade" here that the southern border is not only gong to close but end these  migrations of  criminal immigrants , obviously it won't stop but merely put a threshold on the legal migrations as well .

        One phase of illegals will be entirely closed off , they will still come in on student visas  , work visas ,  migrant work visas , HBI , HVI , and remain herelong  after their visas expire,  so worry not about a continuing population of "unfortunates to defend , illegals will always be there .

        In the mean time immigration laws will be obeyed by all , quotas will be more exact , actually they will even begin to be known and so more effectively managed .  At present our population growth is unknown , unmanageable , uncountable , our census and population numbers dynamics unknowable .

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        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        I was just listening to a beautiful African American family who went to the white house by invite last week , who started a "go fund me" site to raise money for the trip .    The real parallels in my mind between this family and the caravan was interesting ,  what did this family use their 'go fund me' money for --,"...... to purchase nice enough clothes to attend their incredible white house visit.........".

        On the other hand who is funding the busses for the caravan , who is paying  for the  trucks ,the semi's , the trailers and diesel engines hauling people , food ,  water , concessions , supplies , housing , who's really paying for the *Nikes  for this caravan ?

        1. lovetherain profile image67
          lovetherainposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Why do you mention that they were an "African American " family? Would you have mentioned it if they had been Scandinavian Americans or British Americans?

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            hard sunposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Good question...as to who is likely paying for the caravans, It think that's bee addressed on the forums here before. Organizations such as the one linked below and other volunteers seem to be the most obvious answer but conspiracies are more fun I guess.
            http://www.pueblosinfronteras.org/press … 0Nxre3epi4

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            Ed Fisherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Uhhhh .... Because they ARE an African American family ..................?

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        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

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        Seem strange to anyone else that there was another president who was focused on immigration to the point of increasing I.C.E , border patrol costs , manpower and apprehensions ?  Obama must be laughing at all of you focusing on Trump's acts and rhetoric .

        Does any obstructionist study any [even recent ] history?

      25. IslandBites profile image87
        IslandBitesposted 17 months ago

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqAZL86zy-4

        "Tomorrow the migrants, according to Fox News reporting, are more than two months away, if any of them actually come here...

        "But tomorrow is one week before the midterm election, which is what all of this is about," he added. "There is no invasion. No one’s coming to get you. There’s nothing at all to worry about...

        When they did this to us, got us all riled up in April, remember?" Smith said. "The result was 14 arrests. We’re America, we can handle it. But like I said, a week to the election." - Shep Smith

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA-Jm-RU1AI

        Preach!

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          Ed Fisherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Are you actually pointing out and using a Fox News anchor and opinion that liberals  are always screaming foul about  ?

          Oh my !

          1. IslandBites profile image87
            IslandBitesposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Not the first time. I read different news outlets all the time.


            I'm not obsessed. Oh my!

        2. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          I watched a report on immigration where border agents caught an average of 200 people attempting to cross, per night, on one farm. Only one farm. From what I understand from main stream news caravans are nothing new.

          Invasion may be an alarmist term, but it isn't an unreasonable one. And highlighting the situation is an important one for an election cycle. Two month, two days, two years...it's all the same. We need reasonable, sustainable and fair immigration policy and Congress has sat on its hands too long.

          1. IslandBites profile image87
            IslandBitesposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            When he mentioned the time, he was making reference to Trump's decision to send 5000+ troops to the border, days before the election, when the caravan is months away from the US.

            In other words:

            “It’s a craven misuse of the U.S. armed forces for an obvious political stunt, and I’m surprised [Defense] Secretary Mattis agreed to it, given the range of real national security threats our military has to deal with,” said Kelly Magsamen, who served on the National Security Council and in the Pentagon during the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image82
              PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              A costly, craven political move from a guy we're repeatedly told is not a politician. big_smile

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              Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              I suspect part of the reason for sending troops is to frighten, if possible, many of those who are coming via the caravans.  The best time to send troops to accomplish that is now, so that some of them turn back.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image82
                PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                What should they be afraid of, exactly?

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                  Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Don't know that they should be afraid of anything actually! But placing troops on the border will probably give some in folks in the caravan the they're not getting into the country.  Using the military does give border security different optics.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image82
                    PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Well, I'm glad to hear that, after thinking about it, you decided they shouldn't have anything to fear from our military.  I was concerned that you thought our military would be more harmful to them than the violence and conditions they are fleeing, conditions so bad that they are willing to trek thousands of miles with their children to another country.

                    Unless our military intends to inflict violence on them, I don't see why they should be afraid of them.

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                      Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                      I think they should despair of making that trek, and then discovering that they've no hope of breaking in. So my desire is that the presence of our military will persuade them that we're serious about protecting our borders, and convince some if not many to give up right now before they reach the border.

      26. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        Drudge , "Canada to substantially increase deportations ".
        The EU , regurgitating refugee requirements ..............But "Trump is a racist "......................Oh Sure !

      27. Rodric29 profile image81
        Rodric29posted 17 months ago

        Let them in. Some of my ancestors were stolen and bartered for items and brought here against their wills. I am glad they suffered through that so that I can be born here free.

        I welcome them to this land. We have enough room and this is supposed to be the land of the free. Why stop letting people in now. No one said that when the Europeans flooded over here to help make this nation great.

        Let them in and help them make America stay Great as it is. When we start keeping people out of this country, it will start to crumble. History has shown us that people from all over helped make this nation great, a nation of immigrants.

        1. profile image0
          Ed Fisherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          We don't and we won't , Why , because it's against the laws ..............remember laws ?

        2. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          How many will you put up on your home?  How many families out of that 7,000 will you provide food, shelter and clothing for?

          The Indians welcomed immigrants, too.  It didn't turn out too well for them.

      28. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        Of course its both party's that have failed to bring immigration reform over the years , however we all know who's been in obstruction by party affiliation and who opposes  ANY change in present conditions on the border ;  Perhaps we need a body count like in any conflict recorded nightly on the national news ?

        Of all the" humanity" in the party of the left ..............

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          Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          GW Bush was a HUGE border insecurity stooge, and he was supposedly a conservative.  If conservatives and Republicans were, on the whole, serious about shutting down 95% of illegal immigration, they'd pass an E Verify bill.  They'd also beef up immigration services so we can better track people here on visas.  They'd also beef up the border with Mexico significantly, and put in place additional security in places where necessary along the Canadian border.  Oh, and they'd increase the size of ICE.

          They're lame, all of them.

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            Ed Fisherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            So remind us again who opposes the border wall , who's defending the caravans ?

            1. profile image76
              Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Right.  Still, Republicans and conservatives both have been lame in doing the things I listed above.

          2. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            To your point, illegal immigration reaches the highest point during the Bush administration. He did little to stop it.

      29. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 17 months ago

        Trump apparently says . Militarize the border , put up tent cities , make them sit in the desert,  No more unlimited crossings..............

        Sounds like what we all want .

      30. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 17 months ago

        Wonderful point. Another thing to consider... If immigrants do rush the border and enter illegally do we have the ability to really check their background, health, and criminal records? So, one could also add to the equation, do you want neighbors that might spread disease, and threaten the very safety of your family? These are factors that get lost until they become a problem... I would also like to add, our national debt is huge. Would it not just make better sense to decide where our tax dollars be spent for a while? It seems some don't even think about affording new citizens that come in illegally and don't pay taxes but take from our coffers.  It much appears once again hysterical rhetoric is clouding common sense. Yes, we need workers due to our good economy, but in my opinion, it just seems wiser that we use the merit systems to fill employment needs.

      31. Readmikenow profile image95
        Readmikenowposted 17 months ago

        How is this lawsuit valid?  Non-citizens should not have standing to file a lawsuit.  This is crazy.


        “A dozen migrants traveling by foot from Honduras to the U.S. to seek asylum filed a class-action lawsuit Thursday against President Trump, the Department of Homeland Security and others, claiming a violation of their due process under the Fifth Amendment.”

        https://www.foxnews.com/politics/migran … nal-rights
        https://hubstatic.com/14274912.jpg

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          Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          It gets crazier by the day.  I'm of the thinking that we're going to see ALOT of crazy stuff in the coming years.

      32. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
        JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months ago

        https://hubstatic.com/14275002.jpg

        lol, My God, I don't think I've ever seen so many republican snowflakes gathered in one room melting like butter in the balmy autumn air: I wish all the emotional right wingers in here would just find a little safe space, calm down and get a grip, I mean come on, they're only Honduran women and children marching in a parade searching for salvation and a job, just like your ancestors did decades ago, it's not this guy approaching our border God forbid: Now this would actually be SCARY, well deserving of military intervention: lol

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          Ed Fisherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Because it's illegal .

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          Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          That's a lie Jake.  Folks that came here in the 1800's and early 1900's, primarily through Ellis island, came here because they were invited here, legally, by law....so they came lawfully.  The caravans are intent on coming here even though we've not invited them.  They don't give a rat's butt about what America wants.

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
            JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            https://hubstatic.com/14275745.jpg

            You don't know that and without proof I don't believe it: I don't even know how my ancestors got here and whether or not they have photographic evidence or a paper trail to indicate their migration route and I'll bet the majority of right wingers' around here who seem to be scared of everyone and everything including their shadows and that includes the orange coward perched in our oval office, don't know exactly how their ancestors got here if they indeed live in the USA:

            1. profile image76
              Hxprofposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              You simply don't know how to stop lying do you?

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image75
                JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Well Hxprof, everyone around here knows I tell the truth but if you're looking for the most dishonest weakling on the planet, here ya go:

                "President Trump has made 6,420 false or misleading claims over 649 days"

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … 9580f3d8b3

                1. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Now Jake, there are more people here than just you.

       
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