I know that Trump is not serious about buying Greenland?

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  1. Credence2 profile image80
    Credence2posted 6 months ago

    I like to think that he would consider the desire of the 55,000 residents there first?

    Such retrograde, colonialist sort of thinking....

    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      You know he's not serious? I'm not so sure.

    2. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      From what I have read from multiple sources, he actually is serious about buying it for the sake of some natural resources.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        He may want to rename it Trumpland. yikes

        1. promisem profile image98
          promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          Imagine what he could do with his own country.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            I'm ready for him "to do" some other country for a change. Perhaps Putie will give him one of his very own.

      2. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Why stop there, let's look at Antarctica as a 51st state?

        1. promisem profile image98
          promisemposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          I would rather he buys Canada. Or we could just invade. That way we connect the continental U.S. with Alaska once and for all.

          If Trump declared war on Canada and took it over, he could:

          - Cut taxes on rich people and drive the country deeper in debt.
          - Make it pay for the wall with Mexico.
          - Shut down all media except for Fox News.
          - Kill their commie health program.

          So many possibilities.

          1. Credence2 profile image80
            Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Ha, I don't think that the Canucks would take kindly to that..........

          2. TessSchlesinger profile image93
            TessSchlesingerposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            Plus he could tell the Eskimos to go back to where they came from.

        2. GA Anderson profile image92
          GA Andersonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          I think that comment was in jest, but, considering many other factors that would be involved, (see my comment to Don - an accessible Arctic Ocean is a game-changer in lots of international  considerations), I think it would be most definitely in the U.S. strategic interests to convince Greenland and Denmark that being a U.S. territory would be a fantastic idea.

          Of course, I am not talking about an Imperialism-type action. I am thinking more like $24 worth of beads and gew·gaws.

          GA

    3. Don W profile image82
      Don Wposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      It's funny you should say that, because I've been following the politics of the arctic circle for a while (yes I'm real fun at parties).

      Anyway, as you know, climate change is causing the polar ice caps to melt. This will cause bad things to happen. It will also make the arctic ocean accessible, and more importantly the natural resources below it.

      The US Geological Survey thinks the Arctic Circle has large deposits of natural resources:

      " . . . the United States Geological Survey has assessed the area north of the Arctic Circle and concluded that about 30% of the world’s undiscovered gas and 13% of the world’s undiscovered oil may be found there"
      https://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/70035000

      Here's the thing, every country that borders the arctic circle (US, Canada, Russia, Norway, Greenland) gets the default maritime border of 200 nautical miles off their coast. Even after accounting for that though, the majority of the ocean is up for grabs to anyone who can prove it belongs to them (this is why Canada has an Extended Continental Shelf Program).

      In response to this situation, Vladimir Putin has:

      Deployed MiG-31 fighters to the region
      Deployed SU-34 frontline bombers to the region
      Established a main military base equipped with air defense missiles
      Established radar stations and airstrips on four arctic islands
      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russ … SKBN15E0W0

      Literally planted a flag on the seabed below the North Pole
      https://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/worl … rctic.html

      In response to this situation, Donald Trump has:

      Denied climate change is real.
      Suggested buying Greenland (it is unclear whether this suggestion was a joke or not)

      To be fair, this has been something that's been known about by previous administrations, so any lack of long term strategy for the region doesn't sit entirely on Trump's shoulders.

      But here's the thing that's unique about Trump's situation. He and the GOP have been adamant climate change is a hoax. His base are all sold on that. If it's true, then the polar ice-caps are not melting, no need to secure the country's claims to the arctic ocean. On the other hand if the administration admits there is a need to secure US interests in the arctic ocean because the polar ice-caps are melting, then clearly climate change is not a hoax and needs to be taken serious.

      So the incompetent buffoons we laughably call an administration need to  try not to upset Trump's base by admitting climate change is real, but at the same time secure US interests in the area.

      The result? "Can't we just buy Greenland?"

      1. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Funny you mention it, as I was reading about a 1947 attempt to buy Greenland.

        Other articles pointed to new sea lanes for maritime traffic that now are accessible due to global warming and melting ice. Short cuts abound.

        I think that the anti-global warming position is just obstinance on the part of conservatives who are more interested in raping the planet for resources now, and worry about the effect and outcomes, later.

        Trump, if nothing else, is expedient. I don't think that he has any real principles about anything.

        Acquiring that much gas and oil, now that is expedience, all other considerations have been shelved.

      2. TessSchlesinger profile image93
        TessSchlesingerposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Who would he buy Greenland from? That was my first thought. He didn't say, did he?

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          Presumably the 56000 people that live there.  And then face it's connection to the Kingdom of Denmark as well - it is an autonomous constituent country within the Danish Kingdom just as Scotland is to the UK.

      3. lobobrandon profile image89
        lobobrandonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        They do deny that climate change is a hoax, the melting of the artic circle in our lifetimes is just the natural process, we have been moving away from the last ice age for hundreds of thousands of years already, it was bound to happen within just the span of a single generation. Don't you see?

        He was dead serious about it. I have been following the stuff in the North too and you missed out one point: Coal deposits in Greenland. Interesting about the flag, didn't know about that one.

    4. Don W profile image82
      Don Wposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      President Obama is due to visit Denmark in September to give a talk.
      https://www.thelocal.dk/20190813/barack … -september

      Some are speculating this is the real reason Trump cancelled his visit.
      https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/11 … 8636050434

      1. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

        I guess, as for the Danes, Obama is still president

        1. lobobrandon profile image89
          lobobrandonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          If they are showing up in higher numbers it's not because they consider him President. They are showing up because his talk will offer some sort of value to them. If Michelle Obama was coming to speak, there would be equally as many or more willing to attend, it's not because they consider her first lady.

          1. Credence2 profile image80
            Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

            I was being facetious, it is likely that Obama would receive a greater welcome as a civilian than Trump as a Head of State

            1. lobobrandon profile image89
              lobobrandonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              Definitely.

    5. peterstreep profile image77
      peterstreepposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      This news was staggering.
      First Trump wants to buy Greenland. He wants to buy a country!!!
      And because Denmark told president Trump that it is not for sale.
      President Trump cancels his diplomatic visit to Denmark.
      It is clear that the President of the united states is mixing self interests and being a president of the US on a grand scale.
      Joke or no joke. This is a behaviour that can not be excused. Self interest before national diplomatic relationships.

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        The United States has made an offer on Greenland before Trump came along. Strategically, it'd be a good thing. If he was serious (which I don't know), it isn't self interest.

        1. peterstreep profile image77
          peterstreepposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          more people wanted to buy or obtain Greenland in the past.
          doesn't make it less absurd.
          It shows a president who has megalomaniac tendencies.

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            So, does everyone with an interest in buying real estate have megalomaniac tendencies, or just Trump.

            Overreaction and embellishment. Is that a prerequisite for being on the left these days?

            1. lobobrandon profile image89
              lobobrandonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              Since when is buying people along with the land termed as a real estate deal? Or do the people not matter since they are just a few? This is a bad analogy.

            2. peterstreep profile image77
              peterstreepposted 6 months agoin reply to this

              I do not generalize.
              I only read about what the president of the united states wanted. I do not know how other people with interest in real estate are.
              I said Mr Trump shows us megalomanic tendencies by wanting to buy a country.
              I did not say all people who want to buy real estate are megalomaniacs. Or did I?

              1. Live to Learn profile image81
                Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                You never explained why an interest in purchasing proves he is a megalomaniac. If it stems from a simple expression of interest in a purchase then it isn't unreasonable to ask you to what extent interest in real estate contributes to your definition.

                1. TessSchlesinger profile image93
                  TessSchlesingerposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                  1. Because he oversteps what people without a lust for power do?
                  2. Because his previous behaviour has demonstrated that he is going in a particular direction? He likes to bully people?

                  1. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

                    I would agree with you if:

                    1. Denmark could sell an autonomous region.

                    2. Trump had sent an offer, as just opposed to expressing a random thought.

                    3. If the left wasn't so bizarrely inclined to freak out at anything and everything Trump related.

        2. TessSchlesinger profile image93
          TessSchlesingerposted 6 months agoin reply to this
    6. Tim Truzy info4u profile image97
      Tim Truzy info4uposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, there is the fact the Chinese and the Russians are considering building military bases in the Arctic along with exploring for resources. Maybe our President just thought the name "Greenland" in an area surrounded by beautiful white snow seemed somehow right and really didn't mean it. He loves green and a very few other colors.

      1. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Nice to see you, Tim.

        It just that he handles things like a bull in a China shop. What would possess him to think that could ignore the desires of the residents of Greenland to strike some sort of real estate deal?

        Then to pout like a baby when he received the only answer Denmark could give and, if he had any sense, would have anticipated.

  2. GA Anderson profile image92
    GA Andersonposted 6 months ago

    Damn Don, Hopefully, we will never meet at a party. We might turn it into a wake.

    I have also followed some of the 'when the Arctic Ocean is assessable' scenarios. My interest was first piqued a few years ago by stories of the Russian efforts to establish a credible presence in the area.

    If I recall correctly it was stories about the radar stations and something to do with sub-bases that first caught my attention.

    Anyway, I can only be optimistic that there are more serious efforts to address this coming reality than a Let's buy it. thought.

    But, give this a second thought. By my thinking, (and apparently yours too), this Arctic Ocean thing is a future reality that needs serious consideration, (and for strategic reasons as much as financial mineral access ones), not just whimsical musings. So, should we give the President some credit for at least recognizing an issue?

    GA

    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      "Should we give the President some credit for at least recognizing an issue?"

      The bar just keeps getting lower and lower.

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Damn! I never thought of it that way. I was half-joking. But I do see your point. And I do not want to, in any way, contribute to lowering the "bar"

        https://hubstatic.com/14643344.jpg

        It is already beyond belief.

        Maybe I should have included a smiley?

        Remember that saying that if you put enough monkeys in front of typewriters, for long enough,  sooner or later one of them will end up typing a Pulitzer prize winner?

        GA

        1. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          I didn't  read it as a joke, but I am relieved to learn it was a least half of one.

  3. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
    JAKE Earthshineposted 6 months ago

    The Donald Bankrupted casinos which were financed with other peoples money, he bankrupted the once great USA which is financed by other peoples money, he's bankrupting our once great farming industry and bankrupting many working Americans with his crazy Trade War Tariff TAXES which only benefits Vladimir Putin: WHY not start bankrupting other countries?

  4. Valeant profile image96
    Valeantposted 6 months ago

    For when someone claims Trump is good for the stock market...


    https://hubstatic.com/14649077.png

  5. Credence2 profile image80
    Credence2posted 6 months ago

    So now, the big orange baby has abruptly cancelled the planned meeting with Denmark, offending both it and Greenland, embarrassing me as an American just because he could not get his way?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald … n-n1044651

    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      How many more stupid ways will he embarrass us before we boot his pathetic a$$ out in 2020?

      Wait, don't answer that.  LOL

  6. Randy Godwin profile image92
    Randy Godwinposted 6 months ago

    Where can one purchase a big orange baby balloon? I'd love to have one to fly by I-75 where it passes through our farm. What a brat!  sad

  7. Valeant profile image96
    Valeantposted 6 months ago

    Trump is the most American patriot ever. Marries All-American women several times over. Pays his fair share of taxes. Served with honor in the armed services. Makes all his products here in America. Ensured that all the money from the Trump Foundation went to Americans in need. Makes all his buildings with only American labor and materials. Spent the majority of his life ensuring that all his workers were documented and had the proper work visas or were sponsored. And of course showed much respect to McCain, Mattis, Kerry, and other veterans at all times. #MAGA - McDonald's And Golf Again

  8. Live to Learn profile image81
    Live to Learnposted 6 months ago

    I don't think this was serious but if it was for sale it wouldn't be such a bad purchase. I'm sure Russia and China would be more than happy to buy it.

    1. lobobrandon profile image89
      lobobrandonposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      If it were not serious, he would not use that as the reason for him turning down the invite by the Danish royal family.

      If it were up for sale, but it's not. It's like being invited to a friends birthday, you put his or her house on the market without their consent and when they say no they are not selling to you, you use that to decline the invitation.

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Not a good analogy.

        I haven't been following this but this wouldn't the first, second or millionth time one party thought of purchasing something another party wasn't thinking about selling.

        Nor would it be the first time the U.S. expressed an interest in this particular piece of real estate, and was rebuffed.

  9. TessSchlesinger profile image93
    TessSchlesingerposted 6 months ago

    wtf??? Please explain to me what you've just said.

    1. People in the civilized world do not sell countries. They do not sell people. They do not put people in cages. They put humanity above profit.

    2. There is no way in hell that a first world country like Denmark would sell Greenland to the USA - even if it was for sale. Just the human rights disaster, the anti-climbate change, the racism, and Trump for president would horrify the civilized world. It's not all about money.

    3. The left freaks out over the abuse of human rights, inhumanity, and unfairness. The right freaks out over not being top dog, over science showing up religion as fake news, and over men not being that attractive to women anymore.

    1. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

      I don't think the sale of Greenland would be Denmark's call. It was an ignorant conversation from the outset.

      I think, as freak outs go, you've just displayed one.

      1. TessSchlesinger profile image93
        TessSchlesingerposted 6 months agoin reply to this

        Sweetie, I'm an INTJ. I don't freak out. Other people freak out at us. smile

        Of course, it was an ignorant remark of Trump. I don't deny that.

        Another Ad hominem. It amazes me that when speaking to a conservative, all they can do is insult the opposition.

        Why don't you actually try presenting a reasoned university level argument?

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 6 months agoin reply to this

          roll

          If we are all in agreement the thought was a silly one, why are you going on and on? Why do you make blanket statements about people you don't know and then accuse others of being insulting?

          Those were rhetorical questions. I already know the answer.

          1. TessSchlesinger profile image93
            TessSchlesingerposted 6 months agoin reply to this

            WTF?

            Well so long as you agree that Donald Trump made an ignorant remark is offering to buy Greenland, I don't have an issue.

            I'm going on and on because you have only now admitted that Trump made a stupid remark.

            But I'll leave it at that.

  10. TessSchlesinger profile image93
    TessSchlesingerposted 6 months ago

    +++

 
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