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   abwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   
   This picture came up in my newsfeed this morning. At first glance, it looks like a picture from a Saturday Night Live skit or the case of a man making the wrong turn and ending up on the women’s podium by mistake.
   BUT, it is neither of those things, it is VERY REAL!
   When does this madness end? Will it...can it?

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      Em Clarkposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      What does this have to do with Hubpages tutorials?

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      Em Clarkposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Never mind I see this is in free form discussion.

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      Titiaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      What's your problem?

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         No problem, posted in the wrong place and now I can not make it go away to share it elsewhere.

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            Titiaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I mean, what's your problem with the photo and what do you mean by 'When does this madness end? '

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               abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               The picture isn't self explanatory?

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                  Titiaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  No, not for me. I just see three people who've won.a cycling contest and are happy about it.
                  
                  You're the one who's trying to make it look different.

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               theraggededgeposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               It's a women's cycling event (I think) and a trans woman won it. There is much controversy around this topic at the moment because biological women say they can't compete with trans women on a level playing field, s'cuse the pun.

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                  Titiaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  I know what it is.

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                     abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     Since this is still here, in the wrong forum, Titia….I see women being set back 100 years. I see women's sports screwed up for future generations, it's already happening. Women are losing scholarships, aren't qualifying for major races, in some cases after training and working their entire life toward their sports career...whichever that may be!
                     I'm glad you're okay with this, I'm not and although I know I am supposed to be silent and just accept the unacceptable, whatever goes, goes...I'm not made that way.

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   abwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   You are right, I have it in the wrong place. Thank you.

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   abwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   I am searching for the right place.

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      greenmindposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Did you post this because you know the people/sport involved and want to comment on their lives?

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   abwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   No, I posted it because I am a woman and this pisses me off.

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      theraggededgeposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      It goes here: https://hubpages.com/forum/topical
      
      

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks, I got sidetracked and when I got around to removing it, there were commments!

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            theraggededgeposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            You can report your original comment as being 'wrong forum topic' and the mods will move it.

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               abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks, done.

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   abwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   It probably has something to do with this crappy, dated phone I am trying to work with.

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   Doneta Wrateposted 3 years ago

   I agree with you abwilliams.  Even if a man thinks he is a woman, he is still built like a man, making his competition against women unequal and unfair.    I do not think this should be allowed.

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      abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly Doneta....it's "unequal and unfair". Women should be up in arms, not out saying things like, "they're happy." The women he beat out don't look happy. Does their happiness not count?
      This isn't SPORT, it isn't fair play/equal treatment...far from it.

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         wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         I've seen suggestions that any transgender only be allowed to compete after a year or so of hormonal treatments.  It sounded reasonable.
         
         Until I also saw reports that such treatments are insufficient.  They won't change skeletal formations or size and even the expected reduction in muscle mass (male to female) is not guaranteed.  Bottom line: biological males should not be allowed to compete in contests reserved for biological females regardless of how they view their gender.  Or the reverse, for that matter.

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            abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            There are also reports of the long term effect of utilizing hormonal treatment; such as regret, depression and suicidal thoughts, but that's another topic for another day!
            
            I agree with you wilderness.
            It is better left alone.

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            viryaboposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Absolutely.

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               abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               https://www.facebook.com/195530355493/p … /?sfnsn=mo

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   wildernessposted 3 years ago

   Had a short discussion the other night with friends on this topic.  Question: if we ban males from competing in female sports, aren't we virtually required to ban females from male sports?  I've seen females competing in a high school wrestling team, I see women trying out for the NFL (a really good place kicker) and others - do we ban then from competing, sometimes when the male sport is the only one available?
   
   Or do we give women a "bye", and only discriminate against males wanting to compete in female sports?  If we don't go totally coed on all sports competitions how do we justify allowing one sex to join the other but not vice versa?

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      abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Great points. If we are going to continue on this path, there is no other way than coed. There can no longer be giving women a pass on testing for the fire department or the Marines or the football field...if this is the way it is going to be, we must be fair across the board.
      As of now, many male wrestlers refuse to wrestle females and you mentioned the female kicker. There has been chatter that male players will not treat her the same. It will change the game of football. Get used to it men.
      Everything has to change, even mindsets!
      Maybe women will take over wrestling and weight lifting by default and have at least two sports to themselves.

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   abwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   Never mind that last paragraph, that can’t happen, I have to change my mindset.

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      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      But you are correct, IMO.  If we are to continue of this path the only answer is coed sports in all cases...which will absolutely destroy women athletes.  It is a rare woman that can compete with a male (of the same standing among his peers) and win any physical competition.

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         abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         I will never forget this...in my younger years, I was a fast runner, I went around challenging everyone to a foot race, I beat everyone, could never be caught, there was no competition, must have gotten a little cocky about it. My Dad (who I had never seen run...EVER; he who had a beer belly to boot) challenged me to a foot race. I figured it could be close, but I would win out in the end. He beat me like a drum, left me in his dust, it was no contest. I learned a valuable lesson that day about humility.

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   Doneta Wrateposted 3 years ago

   If there are female kickers in football, are they gong to give them their own locker room.  Can you imagine how a woman football player would be treated changing clothes and showering in a male dominated locker room?  Even women sports reporters have a hard time in the football locker room.  This is womens lib going too far.

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      abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Good questions Doneta, which brings me to another question...where are the feminists? Why are they silent on this?

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