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   gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   
   What would YOU say to a freeloading person who expect that other people support them socioeconomically without any effort on the freeloading person's part?  What would YOU say to a freeloading person who believe that other people owe them a comfortable lifestyle?   Your thoughts?

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      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      To be very honest, I don't believe in paying the way for any able-bodied fit human being. 
      
      What would I say to a freeloading person that feels they are owed the freedom of taxpayers paying for their existence. I owe you nothing... Up to you to provide for yourself, and the very lifestyle you choose to live.  You have a right to choose. I have the right to choose not to support you.

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         gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         ++++++++++++

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         lovetherainposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Are you sure you have that"right"?

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            Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I certainly don't have the right to dictate how my tax dollar is spent. Especially with the Administration that is in power at this point. However, I can stand on my lofty beliefs.  I worked for what I have, and can certainly say I choose intellectually not to support those that feel they are owed. In reality, I pity that type.  Luckily there are citizens like me that can afford to support those that lack fortitude, and as I see it intelligence.
            
            Thank God for the 1% ---  hate to see what the US would be without them.

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               lovetherainposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Well-fed humans have the luxury of lofty beliefs.

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                  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  One must consider my first comment, it has become a bit pushed to the background.
                  
                  "To be very honest, I don't believe in paying the way for any able-bodied fit human being.
                  
                  What would I say to a freeloading person that feels they are owed the freedom of taxpayers paying for their existence. "
                  
                  Able-bodied should add context as well as freeloading.
                  
                  So to add and to my opinion --- Which I should have pointed out. I have no problem aiding any person with disabilities that find them unable to work or naturally children that are innocent in our society.
                  
                  And yes I am very sure SOME well-fed wealthier do have the luxury of lofty beliefs... Most worked to obtain their place in society, and develop a different opinion on charity.  Fair, no, true, yes.

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                     gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     Your beliefs aren't lofty at all.  Such beliefs are INTELLIGENT.  There are far too many people who expect a comfortable life on someone else's dime.  I believe that those who are wealthy or more affluent AREN'T obligated to support those who are less affluent.   People should STAND ON THEIR OWN FEET period!

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                  gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  It isn't lofty.  Sharlee is SMART.  If one REFUSE to work, then  one SHOULD STARVE.  Doesn't bother me in the least.

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                     lovetherainposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     She SAID lofty. Thus my response.
                     
                     What if it was your mother? Or sister? Would you care then?

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                        gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        As I said before, if one REUSES to work, one should SUFFER & STARVE.  Decrease the FREELOADER population.   No exceptions whether it is STRANGERS or FAMILY.  I am not obligated to support people who are too lazy & entitled to carry their weight but want others whether it is relatives, charities, or the government to foot their bills.  Such people deserve to suffer & starve. I have NO SYMPATHY WHATSOEVER for such "people".  There is a word for such people- it begins with a P & ends with an E.

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                           lovetherainposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           Perhaps you are right. It's possible they need incentive to go out and fend for themselves. I have a sister that freeloads off my parents. For like the last 8 years since she had a child and she has no husband to take care of her and her daughter. I don't see it as wholly her fault though, she had no way of knowing the father would turn out to be such a flake(he's in prison). I have mixed feelings about this.

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               gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Totally agree, there are FAR TOO MANY freeloaders out there.  I staunchly, even vehemently contend that any able-bodied person who REFUSES to work, should STARVE, pure & simple.  I am don't owe anyone anything!

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            gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, Sharlee does.   Why support people who made unintelligent life choices?   People are in DIRE circumstances(excusing the current COVID issues) because of unintelligent life choices!   Sharlee is CORRECT in her premise.  If one earns one's money, one ISN'T obligated to help those in dire circumstances as a result of unintelligent life choices- LET THEM DO WITHOUT!

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      Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I'd say, 'Wow, where have you been for the last four years!'
      
      

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   PrettyPantherposted 3 years ago

   Why Society’s Biggest Freeloaders are at the Top

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      Readmikenowposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I think this Dutch historian need a few lessons in economics.  It's a good opinion piece from someone lacking economic understanding.  I know wealthy people and they work pretty long hours seven days a week.  I have a wealthy friend who has a brother who can't hold a job, so my friend offered him a job in his company.  His brother was such a problem he fired him. So, what is there to do with someone with no work ethic or desire to be productive?  There are many such people.

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         PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         What would you do with them?

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            gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Tough love should be applied.  If one refuses to work, let them suffer.  If they suffer enough, they will either swim or sink.  People ought to learn responsibility & accountability.   THIS is the problem.   Our welfare system is an example of this.  Giving & helping people makes them entitled & lazy.   Apply tough love- if they REFUSE to work, let them SUFFER!

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         gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Mike, exactly.  Wealthy people work hard.  They also create jobs.  There is ANOTHER socioeconomic class that expects to be supported & live comfortably on other's dime.   Social support systems were created for such people.   Cut out social support systems & such people will learn to WORK or STARVE.

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      gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Not true, they are AT THE BOTTOM, prettypanther.  Look at the welfare system!  Need I say more!!!!

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   Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

   For sure the Middle-class would not be freeloaders

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      gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The middle class AREN'T freeloaders, it is ANOTHER socioeconomic class & we ALL KNOW what socioeconomic class it is & it ISN'T the rich!

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         CHRIS57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Please allow my opinion and comment:
         
         You will find your freeloaders everywhere in society. Not only at the top as the link from PP suggests, not only at the bottom as you point out.
         
         Example:
         What about the lower, middle or upper corporate management who get incentives for something (company success) that most never really contributed to.
         
         In this discussion i sense some kind of jealousy of those who do the "load" part (via taxes) over those who do the "for free" part. This imho implies that those on the load side are not so much better off than those on the for free side.
         
         However, don´t forget that all benefits a freeloader at the bottom gets are immediately recycled into the economy. This is not so for other freeloaders higher up on the social ladder. Wasn´t the discussion about the Covid stimulus check pointing in that direction?

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            Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            No, the original comment just asked a simple question  ---
            
            "What would YOU say to a freeloading person who expects that other people support them socioeconomically without any effort on the freeloading person's part?  What would YOU say to a freeloading person who believes that other people owe them a comfortable lifestyle?   Your thoughts?"
            
            Easy to make the mistake, most of what is discussed here on this forum are about COVID of related toCOVID.

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   gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago

   Social welfare programs should be cut by at least 80%.  What such people need is tough love.  If social welfare programs were cut & there were no other source of outside support, such people would pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.  That is the problem- too many social welfare programs & outside means of support.  Drastically reduce or even eradicate such programs & people would immediate improve themselves.  The worst thing one can do for a person is to give him/her charity for that makes him/her lazy & entitled.  Make him/her earn his/her living.   There are far too many dependent/entitled/lazy people already.  Enough is enough.  My motto: depend upon yourself or DO WITHOUT/STARVE.

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      Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I can take it from your meaning that you would also be in favor of cutting welfare programs that benefit the rich as well. 
      
      https://www.thebalance.com/government-s … tc-3305788

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      tsmogposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I get the feeling you think they are given a 'huge' amount and are on the rolls for years and years. That is not true especially since some programs limit how long they can be on it. And, they really don't receive a lot. A peek at a U.S. Census report shows that. Cash assistance (TANF) has five year time limit. All the programs are means tested based on poverty level.

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         gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         There is GENERATIONAL welfare, you know.

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            tsmogposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I had to look into generational welfare finding it is a problem more specific to state with its rules. For instance in NY when federal TANF expires for a person then NY system takes over. That does not occur in Calif.

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