Immigration! Trump announced his new 'Border Czar' on Truth Social.

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   tsmogposted 3 weeks ago

   Trump to appoint former ICE Director Tom Homan as next ‘border czar’: ‘nobody better at policing our borders’ by Fox News (Nov 11, 2024)
   Trump said Homan 'will be in charge of all Deportation of Illegal Aliens back to their Country of Origin'
   https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- … a1hb4na0bl
   
   The article opens with . . .
   
   "President-elect Donald Trump announced on Sunday that he plans to appoint Thomas Homan as the next "border czar."
   
   Trump made the announcement on his social media platform Truth Social.
   
   "​​I’ve known Tom for a long time, and there is nobody better at policing and controlling our Borders. Likewise, Tom Homan will be in charge of all Deportation of Illegal Aliens back to their Country of Origin. Congratulations to Tom. I have no doubt he will do a fantastic, and long awaited for, job."
   
   A little further along . . .
   
   ""It’s going to be a well-targeted, planned operation conducted by the men of ICE. The men and women of ICE do this daily. They’re good at it," Homan said during a Fox News interview on Sunday, adding that deportations would be a "humane operation."
   
   Thoughts, criticisms, accolades, and/or commentary?

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      Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      I think a lot of us are wondering exactly how millions of people will be swept out of the country beginning on day one.  I think a lot of us are quite concerned about the impact of such an action will have on the economy.  At a very basic level,   who will take up all the jobs left vacant?
      
      The biggest question?  The legality of it all.

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      abwilliamsposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      This is an excellent choice! I have seen Homan interviewed many times over the past few years and he is consistent in his message.
      
      This is a sampling of what America has been dealing with, and what our fellow Americans have been dealing with, at our southern border:
      
      https://youtu.be/hfWF5U2oOAs
      
      There's a lot of work to be done, and Trump and Homan will get it done! Hopefully, the left will not place as many hurdles (via judgments/lawsuits/sanctuary etc.) as they did prior to their four years of greenlighting an outright invasion!

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   GA Andersonposted 3 weeks ago

   The biggest question(s) could be a bunch of 'What if?' ones.
   
   What if the campaign promise of mass deportations starting on day one was just election rhetoric (I think it was), and the 'mass deportations' emerge as stepped deportations?
   
   Round up the low-hanging fruit first; the rabble in the street, the 'Aurora'  gangs, the criminals, the 'subway thugs,' the walking gang-tat billboards, the ones already in detention . . . What if the 'mass deportations' are steps of hundreds and thousands first, not millions all at once?
   
   That sounds like a job ICE (with other authorities) could handle without it costing a million per deportation. *shrug*
   
   What about the legalities and other countries not taking deportees back? None of us know enough about that, yet. So Google will not be your friend.
   
   There is the first 'What if' to consider. What if stepped deportation efforts were the plan, would that work? I think so.
   
   GA

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      Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      I am all for removing undocumented folks with criminal history... But those are folks who should be or should have already been on a path to deportation. Our immigration policy currently allows for this.    I am not certain there have been adequate staffing  in the immigration system to manage it though. 
      
      What concerns me most is that I'm not seeing any thoughtful recognition by the Trump administration of how deportation, on any scale, would impact our economy in terms of shrinking the labor force.

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         GA Andersonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         We also haven't seen any of the plans either. All we have are wild campaign statements that every politician makes (Harris made her share too) and all of us should know better than to take them as a "plan" — even when they claim they have one.
         
         First, stating that I don't know this, but . . . I think the 'working' ayslum seekers—as in the ones that have been here a while, the one's that would cause the economic hit you are worried about, will be the last of the last targets of the deportation efforts.
         
         I do have a "legality" problem, and I have it because I hold a 'Trumpian' position on it. That problem is the problems that will be caused by other countries refusing to accept repatriation of their citizens.
         
         I understand there are legal and sovereignty issues with us just dumping them back in country, but . . . If a bordering country lets them through, then it's on them. They're getting them back. Even if we have to drop them off on the tarmac.
         
         GA

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            Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            It's interesting that I am now being told by many who hold at least some Trumpian views to just "hang on, we don't know all the details yet"
            
            But during the campaign, Harris was continually criticized, nail to the wall really,  for not providing micro level detail of any plan she put forth.    But now detail is completely irrelevant because we're talking about Trump.
            
            
            "First, stating that I don't know this, but . . . I think the 'working' ayslum seekers—as in the ones that have been here a while, the one's that would cause the economic hit you are worried about, will be the last of the last targets of the deportation efforts."
            
            Yet they are here under provisions of our immigration law.  How and why should they be swept out?  And yes, removal of these folks would be a devastating to our economy.

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      tsmogposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      Yup, your right. Even your speculations have no validity in reality until pencil hits paper and figures out the cost to start with. I know when I worked and a brilliant idea came to the forefront with the middle management the President of the company came to me asking to research it within a set of parameters and project into the future to a set date focusing firstly on 'Cost' and then on Return of Investment.
      
      Just poking about I found one interesting article . . .
      
      Mass Deportation by the American Immigration Council (Oct 2, 2024)
      Devastating Costs to America, Its Budget and Economy
      https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. … eportation
      
      Read if curious. It is eye opening even if someone takes the bias approach claiming it is a bias source. You know the tit for tat stuff. I won't post any quotes because the whole thing is a golden nugget as I see it until the new government offers theirs. Hopefully the new government's will not only be less tax payers money being allocated to the endeavor, yet the outcome will bring about net positive gain with our economy. Here is to hoping.

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         Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         Of course there is bias...
         
         Here are some links showing the cost to KEEP them here and KEEP them coming:
         
         The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) has done a great job. Studies suggest this cost is upwards of $400 billion, but their cost estimate is $150 billion. The lion's share of that cost is borne by state and local governments. State and local governments can't borrow or print money like the federal government, so they have to balance their budgets by either absorbing this cost through raising taxes or they have to cut services to their citizens.”
         https://budget.house.gov/press-release/ … d-counting
         
         Illegal immigration costs each American taxpayer $1,156 per year
         Each illegal alien or U.S.-born child of illegal aliens costs the U.S. $8,776 annually.
         Evidence shows that tax payments by illegal aliens cover only around a sixth of the costs they create at all levels in this country.
         A large percentage of illegal aliens who work in the underground economy frequently avoid paying any income tax at all.
         https://www.fairus.org/issue/publicatio … ayers-2023
         
         How the migrant crisis drained $150 billion from taxpayers in a single year
         https://nypost.com/2024/08/29/us-news/t … ny-states/
         
         Nonprofits and NGOs assisting migrants who cross the border: humanitarian support or abetting a crime?
         https://www.foxnews.com/us/ngos-assisti … ting-crime
         
         NGOs use American tax dollars to relocate migrants
         https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/i … -migrants/
         
         UN, international NGOs boost Central America presence amid migrant and refugee crisis
         https://www.devex.com/news/un-internati … isis-93056

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            tsmogposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

            Thanks for the rebuttal, Ken. Too many links for me, yet kudos to your hard research to counter what I offered. I'll look at the first one and the rest I will ignore, though take note with what you said they pertain too offering enlightenment.

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               Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

               I think the best thing to do is re-write policy and law... for our 21st century realities.
               
               These aren't the 1900s... travel is much easier... much cheaper... and it is far more likely in today's global climate that bad actors will send their WORST people to our country, so that they do not have to deal with them.
               
               There must be increased effort to stop Cartels and gangs from entering into America, and the punishment for when we find them must be MUCH more severe... life ending severe... or else they WILL take over our country like they have taken over parts of Mexico and many other Southern Nations.
               
               You don't defeat evil with kindness... you defeat it by destroying it.
               
               Thos who traffic children, women, drugs and violence need to be treated as if they were a enemy force trying to overthrow/take-over our Nation.
               
               They need to be eliminated with extreme prejudice, not given a free ticket to ride like the Biden Administration gave to tens of thousands of known murderers and rapists.

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                  tsmogposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  No arguments from me at this time. The border issue, which may be more important to me than you since I live an hour from the Mexico border, is prominent on my mind. I have friends both as acquaintances and some I place in the category of dear that have migrated to this country from south of the border. They all did it legally. The longest relationship is 28 years.
                  
                  Most if not all have similar feelings about illegals coming here as I and you. They ain't dumb, though many right white folks like to think they are.

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      Ken Burgessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      The first thing is to STOP funding their freebies for coming... STOP paying for their transportation to fly to America...
      
      Drop out of the UN Compact on Migration Day 1...
      
      DEFUND all support for getting them to America or handing them a $10k credit card...
      
      DEFUND all the NGOs that use government funding to propagate these migration efforts
      
      DEFUND all UN Agendas to move migrants... and DEFUND the UN entirely if they choose not to do so.
      
      DEFUND the countries that refuse to take their citizens back... put the screws to any trade agreements we have with them.
      
      There are a lot of things they can do to fix the problem... the biggest of which is to terminate all the funding the Biden Administration has allowed to go to it.

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         Willowarborposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

         "STOP paying for their transportation to fly to America..."
         
         
         Again, this has been debunked. 
         
         And yet again.. the  global compact on migration has absolutely zero to do with our immigration law in this country.

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