Did you know you were voting for socialism when you voted? Do you agree or disagree with socialism, why or why not?
I didn't vote but if I could I would have voted for Obama, and I did know there'd be some socialism.
Personally I think socialism has a lot of premises. Certain things have become necessary to our society (health care, vacation, education, work rights, public transportation, etc..) and since a lot of these aren't very affordable individually, but yet just about everybody needs them, a national fund makes sense.
lol What happened to people need to depend on themselves? What happens when people are dependent on you to live?
Humans have never depended on themselves.
Cavemen traveled in packs.
Early societies were settings of farms of people who lived close by so that they could each done a profession and trade
Even today, we rely on family and friends and others to help with lives.
We've never been independent, we've always relied on others. It's in our nature.
However lately we've been having selfish phases where we expect government to help us, but yet don't want to help others. It's quite sad For all you know that person who can't afford health care and would have been able to under a more socialist system might be the one in charge of your job, or your local food supply, or the person in charge of automating the local water supply cleaning system. We need them, and yet when it comes time to help, we just go "I don't have to help anyone". It's depressing to think about that. I'm not saying give everything you have, but in a socialist system (like many european countries), people get pretty darn good benefits, and still have enough takehome money to live and have luxuries, so obviously it's feasable.
Yes, theres never usually absolute freedom from dependency, but the less freedom from dependency, the more individuals are controlled by politicians. Politicians aren't even capable of controlling themselves and you think it's good to feed them power to control others? We don't want to help others? See what country came close to donations to Haiti compared to us. I agree to some health care for everyone, but do you really think they are intelligent enough to have put a logical plan together?
Ideally yes. Of course we often can't know how capable a candidate is until he/she comes into office.
But I'm not going to say socialism is good/bad just because there's no chance to know if a candidate is good. In that case, every government with any kind of leaders is bad because technically they all depend on the people in charge.
So, with the assumption that the people in charge aren't totally helpless and illogical beings, then I do believe they can offer up a good system.
How can they have a logical health care bill when to get it passed, they did the illogical which was bribing others for their vote?
Like I said, my answer about socialism isn't contingent on whether or not the process was logical. There was no way to know back during elections that they were going to bribe votes.
My answer is based on the supposition that candidates aren't horrible. Whether they uphold that when they come into power has nothing to do with my answer on a socialist candidate.
Voters didn't vote for socialism.
Socialism isn't an acceptable form for society, simply because it provides too many people with a sense of "entitlement", which is a misconception.
Nothing more too it than that.
I would have thought that Obama supporters thought they were voting for a Islamic communist terrorist supporter. Didn’t the Republicans claim that's what he was before he even announced a single policy position?
what's wrong with being a pervert?
the world's greatest leaders were perverts
Thank you. I don't really consider myself a world leader but...
Socailism and Islam go very well together. History has shown that to be true.
See, the republicans knew Obama was a socialist and they knew there was no way the country would want a socialist so they were afraid the race would be too easy.
So instead they started to make Obama seem like a muslim terrorist because they figured a muslim terrorist was more socially acceptable than a socialist.
See, they did it to help Obama. But then he won and they went "oh darn, we should have just let him brand himself as a socialist after all "
If that is an attempt at socialism you guys aren't very good at it .
Seriously though, It's hard to have a debate about whether socialism is good or not because it covers such a massive range. A completely socialist government would basically be a communist (or Nazi) government, and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks that would be a good idea. On the other side any kind of collective endeavour from basic social security to providing basic emergency medicine to a seriously injured person who hasn't paid for it could be described as socialist, and I think that you would be just as hard pressed to find anyone who would prefer to leave people dying in the street.
"Are you still beating your wife?"
It's a trick question because there is an imbedded addumption.
A link yesterday to a Socialist Website showed how socialists detest this bill. I don't beat my wife - and Obama is not a socialist.
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