The Tyrany of Low Flush Toilets

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   Doug Hughesposted 14 years ago

   John H asked LaLo for examples of oppression from the left. The following is the complete, unsuited litany of liberal atrocities. You can't make up stuff this good.
   
   Welfare
   Healthcare
   Medicare
   Social security
   CFL light bulbs
   Low flush toilets
   Net neutrality
   Student loans
   Banking regulation
   Minimum wage
   Forced unions

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      weholdthesetruthsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It's true.  They all are.

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      Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      i found the inclusion of that comment to be funny myself... but then I realized that since so many right wing conservatives are so full s$$$, the issue of low flush toilets would be far more important to them in practical terms than your average person... so I decide to be sensitive about the issue

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   Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

   Is this LaLo's list... or yours?
   Regardless of source, it's pretty "atrocious" that's for sure!
   Those tyrant liberals!!!

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      Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I would never claim credit for LaLo's work. And I neither inserted or deleted a single item.

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      weholdthesetruthsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      In every case, it is government forcing people to do  this or that or something else, without justification.   People are hurt by it, and none of them do any good.

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         Maddie Ruudposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That doesn't make sense.  The government has never told me I have to install a low-flush toilet or use compact fluorescent bulbs, or insist that I take out student loans.

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            weholdthesetruthsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            yes, it has.   
            
            It has banned the standard incandescent, meaning you're left without many choices.   
            
            You cannot buy ANYTHING but a low flush toilet, nor can you build a house without one.

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               Maddie Ruudposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I guess it depends what you consider "low flush."  I've lived more than half my life since the National Energy Policy Act in 1995, which is what I assume you're referring to, and I have never had an issue with a toilet that would cause me to bemoan the lack of more water in the flush.

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                  weholdthesetruthsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  LOL!    Instead of posting this kind of noise... why don't you investigate?   Discover the countless millions of dollars in damage caused by them?   
                  
                  Why be ignorant, when you could understand the argument?

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                     Maddie Ruudposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I do know a bit about it, and I think the solution lies in companies designing better toilets that meet the standards the government has set, which are not all that stringent.  When I was a kid, we put a brick in the back of the toilet, essentially to achieve the same thing by raising the water level in the tank artificially.  Why not use the beautiful free-market concept to encourage toilet manufacturers to compete for a better low-flush toilet?
                     
                     There have to be laws regarding the use of natural resources, for the health of the nation, since people clearly cannot be trusted to look after the Earth on their own.  If what you are advocating is no laws for the safety and well-being of the country as a whole, I assume you're ok with your pipes running dry during a drought, toxic waste being dumped by your house, and every-man-for-himself-style driving on our roads (ie, zero traffic laws).

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                        Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        dont be a fool Maddie.. weholdthesetruths is always right... just nod up and down.... and don't make eye contact

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   AnnCeeposted 14 years ago

   Affirmative action and political correctness are my least fave tyrannies of the left.
   
   

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      Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      So I missed the historical trivia that Adoph imposed low-flush toilets at Aushwitz.

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         Maddie Ruudposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I think that many people are confused about what fascism, communism, and socialism really are.  The words get thrown around a lot, sometimes in the same diatribe, when they're actually quite different.
         
         I promise I'm really leaving this time.

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         Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         It came up at Nuremberg

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   Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

   Now that the shock has worn off, I realize
   *doh* I should have known that, Doug!
   
   You are a truthful, objective journalist hubber,not a muckraker!

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      weholdthesetruthsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Google the words     
      
      low flush toilet damage
      
      Note that CONGRESS is to blame.   
      
      There is no reason on earth for Congress to mandate low flush toilets.   None.

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         wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Certainly not because the Colorado River is gone before it ever reaches the sea, diverted to California to flush toilets.
         
         Or not because mid westerners continue to drill new wells because their old ones have gone dry as a result of the shrinkage of the most massive underground reservoir in the world - gone to flush toilets.
         
         Much of the country is having trouble getting fresh water - seems to make sense to conserve where we can.

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            weholdthesetruthsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            All of that is factually wrong.

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               wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               ??? The Colorado River Aquaduct carries over 1,000,000 acre feet of water annually from the Colorado River into southern California.  It is the primary source of drinking water for that area of the US.  Las Vegas also takes a large chunk of the Colorado.
               
               The depth of the Ogallala aquifer has fallen over 100 feet in parts of Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Texas in the past few decades, and continues to recharge at a rate less than is being withdrawn.  Considering that the aquifer has about as much water as Lake Huron, that's a lot of water gone.
               
               While it is true that insinuating that all this water goes into toilets is a little misleading to the gullible reader, a good deal of it does just that and every little bit helps when that little bit is multiplied by millions.  How many toilet flushes are there in southern California every day, anyway?

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            weholdthesetruthsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            The water in the midwest is used... to grow food.   So, too, with the Colorado.  Flushing toilets is the least of our worries.   That merely puts water back into the aquifer.

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               weholdthesetruthsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Correction.   The water in the midwest is increasingly used to grow things that turned into alcohol which is required to be mixed into our gasoline, which your taxes pay for at a 45 cent a gallon subsidy, so that we can reduce the fuel economy of cars and save not even a smidgeon of "global warming" ( which is a scam anyway).

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                  wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Please do not speak of the gasohol nonsense.  It is one of the most irritating scams our government has perpetuated on us and serves only to make money for those turning our food into low grade energy.  And buy politicians more votes.

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   Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

   People object to Social Security and Medicare ..until it's time for them to collect.
   How many put their money where their mouth is and refuse their SS and Medicare benefits?
   Any of our esteemed hubber friends?

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   Rochelle Frankposted 14 years ago

   I can't understand the low flush toilets when we have a well and a septic system. We usually have to flush twice because someone decided that municipalities would save the world by using only a cupful of water, and you can't buy anything else now.
   I agree that the list is oppressive to all people who pay taxes. I guess it's OK for those who don't.

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      Maddie Ruudposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      1.6 gallons is a little more than a cupful.  Anyway, if you want a bigger flush you are free to pour a bucket of water into the bowl yourself (grey water, I would hope, but that's your prerogative).  Toilets automatically flush when they reach a certain water level.
      
      Anyway, I pay taxes, and I am certainly more happy for them to go to saving the Earth than getting our people killed overseas.

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         Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         ... but they are doing more of the latter than the former.

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            Maddie Ruudposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Of the 2010 budget, 18.74% went to the Dept of Defense.  That's $663.7 billion.  $10.5 billion went to the Environmental Protection Agency.  You do the math.

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               Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               That's what I was saying, on that particular point.
               
               I can see that cities need to be conserving water. Ours comes from the underground aquifers and goes back in a natural way that doesn't require purification treatment plants, pipelines or sewers, but we are still under the same regulations.

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                  Maddie Ruudposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I misread your last post.  Serves me right for trying to carry on an intelligent conversation when my brain is fried from moderating all day.  Back to the spam queue for me!

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                     Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     OK I'll try to flag some more spam, just to keep you a little off balance.

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                  wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  You have a very good point, although I actually wonder if that water goes back to the aquifer or is mostly lost to vegetation and evaporation (easier to percolate up 3' rather than down through rock and such for 300').
                  
                  At the same time, I can rather understand limiting all toilets to low flush.  How would you ever prevent the city dweller in LA from buying high flush if they were available?  Much easier to simply require everyone to use the low flush.  Unfortunate and unfair, but perhaps necessary.

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                     Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     OK in the last point-- but rather strange that the government has to micromanage our lives.
                     
                     About water-- Septic systems require a certain area for a leach field that has to be tested (yes, by some law) to insure that water will 'percolate', instead of evaporating and running off the surface. If you have rock-- you have to have an expensive engineered system.

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                        wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, I understand septic systems - I've used one half my life.  Indeed, the water must percolate - otherwise it would stay in the leach field forever, making a giant mud puddle eventually.  The water is not allowed to come to the surface except very slowly, but it WILL come up nearly as easily as down - you can often find the lateral lines by looking where the grass is greener.  It's just clean by the time it gets there.
                        
                        Nor was I speaking of surface rock, but bedrock many feet or yards down.  Drill deep enough and you will nearly always find a layer of rock - nearly all wells but very shallow ones must drill through this rock to find water, and the water must also pass through it to recharge underground reservoirs.

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   Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

   All this time the showers got all the bad press.
   Turns out the really evil fixtures in those camps was the toilets!
   Who knew?

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      Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      They had toilets?

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