Has David Cameron Made The Right Decision To Use The 'Veto'?

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   Seeker7posted 12 years ago

   The UK is now on it's own after David Cameron's decision to use his Veto, so preventing the new Euro treaty being signed. But has he made the right decision? I can't help but feel that rather than using the veto because he 'promised the people of Britain' that if safeguards were not assured he wouldn't sign, it seems more like a move to get his back-benchers to shut up! I'm not a supporter of Cameron or the Tories, but I'm not that a great fan of the European Union either - personally I think many of their laws and treaties are stupid and bound up with the usual red-tape, and basically it's just an elitist club with certain member states wanting to rule the whole of Europe rather than it being a partnership of member states.

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      John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      No of course it wasn't the right decision. If the 27 don't sign, the more significant 17 will and without any control from Britain.
      
      He's basically marginalised us, rather than shut up his backbenchers he's given them a taste of victory and they'll now really go for it.

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         Seeker7posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Hi John,  I do agree about Britain being marginalised and listening to the backbenchers they seem to rubbing their hands in glee! I think in the long wrong, Britain will be a looser in this.

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   Hollie Thomasposted 12 years ago

   No, it's definitely not the right decision. Whatever voice we had in Europe has been sacrificed so the greedy city of London can continue without any proper regulation, ensuring the rest of us in the UK pay for the misdeeds of the greedy fat cats. On the plus side though, I do believe this decision may bring down this awful coalition.

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      Seeker7posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Hollie, you've made a really good point and you've clarified something I wondered about - the city of London. I think what pisses me off the most about the COL and the 'fat cats' is that they don't give a toss not only about the rest of Europe, but about the rest of Britain outside London! As long as they continue to get fat, they'll be happy! But if this veto does bring down the coalition - great news!!! I'd be even happier if another election was called and we could get rid of them all together!

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   CHRIS57posted 12 years ago

   There is war going on, a financial war, and the UK took sides. The war is about power and influence and opponents are financial gamblers on one side (the financial market) and Euroland with its final awakening and concession to real economy on the other side.
   
   Guess who is on the remote controls of Mr. Cameron. The people? You must be kidding, it is London city.
   
   Did the UK take the winning side? Don´t think so. It is the loosing side i am afraid. All the US/UK financial firepower is already down to reserves. Interest rate close to silly 0%? Public debt growth beyond 10%? Capital investment to maintain GDP - negative? All those figures are by far better for the Eurozone.
   
   It may be a popular decision of Mr. Cameron, it is the wrong decision though.

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      Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Guess who is on the remote controls of Mr. Cameron. The people? You must be kidding, it is London city
      
      Have you not just repeated what has already been said? You are preaching to the converted, we know that Cameron is a puppet of the City of London and Wall Street.  Both want to avoid regulation and reform (particularly the Tobin Tax) It's a pity that all of our nations didn't speak up a lot sooner. I'm afraid, at least in my view, Europe is about to crumble and that will have devastating consequences for us all.

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         CHRIS57posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         "Europe is about to crumble"
         
         no, Europe is not going down the drain. With this Friday´s new agreement the design flaws of Euroland will be minimized. And all figures of Euroland for the status of the real economy are by far better than the rest of the developed world. That includes Greece, Italy, ...
         
         There is one good thing about the massive firing at the Euro. The attacks have initiated real structural reforms in Euroland (sometimes very painful). The US/UK are far from that.
         With a look at world economic development, where emerging economies and BRIC states already take more than half of the world GDP with growing demand and population, who will be better prepared for the future? London City and Wall Street or the economies who concentrate on doing real stuff.
         I am sorry but the UK gets fully off track when its elites remain dominated by financial  gamblers.

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            Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I agree that the UK is off track, as Izzy states I cannot think of one decent PM we've had in this country, in my adult lifetime. The problem IS financial services. I'm no great fan of Merkel of Sarkozy , but at least they have identified the real problem. I still don't believe the Euro will survive. I do think this is tragic for all the countries concerned, however.

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   IzzyMposted 12 years ago

   I'm not sure what to make of it all, without the benefits of TV and newspapers, I have to read what I can online and decide from there.
   
   But I will say this, Europe is corrupt. Every country in Europe is corrupt, sorry but its true.
   The UK and the 'greedy London fat cats" are also corrupt.
   
   Politics is fast becoming a dirty word, and every politician from ground level up is out to line their pockets and to Hell with the rest of us.
   
   And don't get me started on bankers, from the World Bank downwards, they are all corrupt too.

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   Hollie Thomasposted 12 years ago

   I am neither pro-Europe or daft enough to believe that Fat face Cam is working in the "national interest" (if I here that phrase one more time from a politician I swear I will literally punch a local Councillor) Europe is corrupt, however, there are some regulations that have been established in Europe that protect workers rights in this country. The right wing press only ever expose the more ridiculous and controversial aspects of European regulation, for obvious reasons, distortion!
   
   The more Euro skeptic we become as a nation, the more "Little England" mentality dominates. Before we know it, workers will be paying a penalty for going to the toilet during working hours, sacked for asking for annual leave- and "taken outside and shot in front of families for daring to strike" (Clarkson, good mate of Cam's)
   
   I do still believe Europe is corrupt, however, I do not believe that the ordinary working person in this country has anything to gain by leaving. The City of London , on the other hand, has a few billion in Tobin taxes and a few million workers to exploit, without regulation!

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      IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I like the idea of the European Community and they have got a lot of things right despite all the bureaucracy, and to a certain extent it could be said that they can hold in check a lot of the more rampart corruption that takes place within the EC - although they really did take their eye off the ball when it came to Greece.
      
      Have you read about Greece? They got EC money and went to town, building state of the art train systems that are free for users but in reality so expensive that it would be cheaper paying for individual taxis for everyone who uses them.
      
      Or accepting backhanders instead of real taxes from people who could afford to pay income tax.
      
      Anyway, Greece asides, it is assumed that with the whole population of europe under the one umbrella, people could have a greater say in how money is being spent, and not leave it all the politicians.
      
      Here in Spain we are teetering on the edge of economic meltdown, because banks and politicians have been fleecing the people and the EC for years, and everyone turned a blind eye. Now the chicken has come home to roost, so to speak.
      
      In one town I know of, the entire police force went off sick (they are not allowed to strike) because they hadn't been paid for 6 months.
      
      In another, the police have to walk to work because no-one can pay their outstanding fuel bill. I don't mean for them just getting to work, I mean on call-outs too - they have no transport!
      
      The police in my own village drive a ramshackle 4 x 4 that could never pass an MOT in its life! There's not a bit of it hanging the right way and you hear it before you see it. And that's the Police!!
      
      David Cameron came to power after I left the UK so don't know much about him, but we had a long line of useless pocket-liners before him.
      
      I don't think there's been a decent prime minister in my lifetime, at least not since I got the vote, and I didn't vote any of them in!

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      Seeker7posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hollie - well said!!!! And if I ever met up with AHole Clarkson - well better not go into that or I'll get banned from the forum for disgusting and abusive language! I think the future has to be as a Europen Community - what is the alternative? Chaos I think.  I agree with Lizzie, yes there is a lot of corruption, but give me a country  or a government that isn't?

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         Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         He's such a creep isn't he. He has the audacity to speak about public sector workers and getting a "proper job" when those same workers are having to pay his disgustingly inflated wage if they want to watch TV.  I just can't see another option, I think we should stick with Europe. I do believe Cameron will come to regret his decision (when he's booted out of number 10)

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            Seeker7posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            That's one of the things that's wrong with the UK - SH's like Clarkson are paid megabucks to spout verbal diarrhoea on the TV when there's old folks and kids literraly shivering in their homes because they can't afford the heating! Of course his good ol' buddy Davie boy just had to stand up for him didn't he? And why should us workers complain?  After all, it was one of their cronies, not that long ago, who stated that 'the working classes had never had it so good'!!!
            
            Here's hoping Dippy, Drippy, Cameron gets one big boot before Christmas - now that would really be a nice present for us all!!

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   EmpressFelicityposted 12 years ago

   I think David Cameron should be congratulated for showing that he's actually got a backbone.
   
   In fact, I reckon Britain might have a rosier economic future if it stopped worrying about being "marginalised", came out of the EU altogether and thereby ditched all the pointless EU regulations that we've been burdened by for the last 40 odd years.
   
   I bet that if we did this, countries outside Europe would flock here and invest in us big time.

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      Seeker7posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hi EmpressFelicity - Although you've made a good point I still think to come out of Europe, especially at this time is not in, at least the people of Britain's, best interests. And I don't believe other countries will have the faith in us to flock to us to do trade, why should they, after being dumped so many years ago.
      
      As to David Cameron having a backbone - I don't think he has. He's simpering and creeping to his own party in case they boot him out and that terrifies him! I agree wtih Hollie and Lizzie, there has never been one good British leader of any party since I can remember and I think that's one of the reasons Britain has become a second rate country.

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