I think everyone sane should support Monsanto and buy their stock on the New York Stock Exchange - especially people that think that Africans should be used for experimentation just like the Nazis did the Jews, and also people that think that Dioxins in foods are Yummy!
http://www.organicconsumers.org/article … _24750.cfm
Support the Gates foundation for experimenting on Africans right away!!!! Eat Monsanto corn, and enjoy your infertility and cancer while you still can!
So, if the average American is eating three meals a day, then the average American is getting more than 2.1 pcg/kg of dioxins from their food.
http://eatdrinkbetter.com/2012/01/19/di … es-limits/
I think we covered in the last thread that Bill Gates is not deliberately sterilizing Africans with GM food. In fact we eat more of the GM the US and our fertility is higher than ever.
There is definitely no "we."
If there is a "we" and you start off a statement talking about a "we," then I suggest that you take a moment and define this mysterious "we."
All I see is you, and that you ....are talking out of your crack, so to speak.
It seems you need to get off the crack.
http://wideshut.co.uk/busy-bill-gates-b … n-nigeria/
Wes, there's no point in beating your head against a brick wall. Some people prefer to remain ignorant and closed minded about even POSSIBILITIES. They tout themselves as intellectuals who know everything already and don't need to continue exploring and learning, when it's obvious to even the most humble of folks that they're not so very intellectual.
An intellectual is someone who pursues activities and information which EXERCISES the intellect. Someone with intellect has the ability to think abstractly or profoundly. Since some people don't seem to mind eating toxic food, breathing toxic air, drinking toxic water...I guess we can use our own intellect to deduce that the toxins are already doing their magic on some people. Remember, dioxins are endocrine disruptors which cause all manner of illogical thinking. These people are already well on their way to a painful and lingering death.
I just feel a duty to warn people about things that they might not be aware of, and I've attracted a heckler, or more likely, a paid propaganda idiot.
I understand your sense of duty...that's the very reason I write about EDC's, Monsanto, and the scientific research that goes into finding the answers. In looking for logical reasons for so much research being suppressed, I've come to the conclusion that there is no GOOD reason for doing so, though there are a multitude of unethical reasons for doing so, which all lead back to power and money.
You'd have to be an idiot to not understand what's being perpetrated on the American public. But, this is America and so far, the right to be an idiot is just as firm as the right to be killed off by corrupt politicians and the power hungry 1%.
Thanks for posting that link-
Makes me so angry the payoffs and hands these people have in each others pockets.
Education is so helpful and its posts like this that are constructive.
About a year ago (in NZ) a huge protest and unrest outside one of our major supermarkets occured here because they changed manufacturers for one of their popular chocolate products( Cadbury) instead of using sugar ,they began importing the same chocolate only this one with Palm Oil.
Ok its sugar v palm oil -both bad in the long run,but the thing I love about the protest thing ,is that its sends a very clear message to the manufacturers, that you are nothing without the consumer.
Incidently the company ignored the people, and sale plummeted, the media and the people succeeded. They went back to the original recipe 2 days later!!
That is awesome. I'm going to stop eating corn altogether until I find one hundred percent organic corn.
Corn has been the most subverted crop that I know of. I threw up yesterday after eating some corn....and I almost NEVER get sick.
Most used commodity is Oil
2nd is Coffee, (so support Fairtrade Coffee ,all you coffee lovers-not Starbucks)
3rd is Corn and its many by products. It is now in a great deal of all the foods we consume,beginning from the feed the cattle are fed.
In the US the most corn calories consumed is probably in the form of sweeteners. So ditching corn will mean ditching most sweetened foods and products (bread, ice cream etc) made from them.
Not ditching all together ,but somethings is majorly out of control.
For instance food doesn't(or shouldnt) need such a prolonged shelf life,we as consumers have been trained to accept that.
For example if Twinkie can last 12 mths in its wrapper ,what the heck is in that snack!!..
Think about it ,if you or I made a cake ,the natural ingredients would break down after a few days -that's the natural occurance.
To keep it edible after that ,chemicals have to preserve it,the longer the time period the stronger the chemical...
Who on earth decided that was ok..definately it wasnt decided on by educated people. Maybe something more sinister.
The shelf life of a twinkie is 25 days--about the norm for something made mainly from corn, flour and sugar with no dairy products.
No the shelf life is much longer than 25 days. 25 days is still too long.
You have been spoilt in NZ EK!
But you are quite right.. why really do they last the same amount of time as Rat Poison?
Well ya gotta have patients for the huge Pharmaceutical wheels to keep turning money over.
PD.. I love New Zealands thrust and bio food watchdogs ,but our oceans are under threat of pollution and new trade with China in a very real way-ie oil spills, whales beaching..
(Niece is an activist for No drilling protest movement up north,which the government just signed a deal with a(Brazil company) with no consultation with anyone!!-baskets
Snopes.com is the site claiming Twinkies have a shelf life of 25 days...not really a scholarly website for information. Twinkies have about a month shelf life, but have eggs in them (dairy) and 38 other ingredients, including rocks and chemicals...one of which is high fructose corn syrup. Here's a link to a news clip from ABC news:
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/s … st=1887643
Note* notice how it's spun to make Twinkies look like just another yummy snack where there's nothing wrong with ingesting glue and limestone, etc...Bet that corn is GM, but no need to tell us that...law doesn't require it.
Im really enjoying your posts, quite the treasure trove of information that you are.
RebekahElle was helpful a few months back posting a link for me too.
The food issues are scary. The more you read ,the more you relise how out of control it has become. (IMO)
I'm glad you found it helpful. I think when we look around and see the general state of health of many Americans, there has to be a general consensus that our food sources should be a primary concern. If we're eating right and taking care of ourselves, we should be healthy. Vibrant. Food energizes and fuels our body.
Do you see a lot of healthy, vibrant people? How many people do any of us know that aren't taking some form of medication? [I don't take any, nor am I overweight.]
I find it so sad, almost appalling, that people are willing to believe that our food sources are adequately regulated. Do people truly not care what they're eating? We are a nation that still does not require labeling of GM foods, while Europe, China and Japan, Australia require labeling. Why? Don't you wonder why?
We have every right to know what we're eating, and what we're feeding our family.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMs1S2uV … embedded#!
http://truefoodnow.org/2012/01/25/genet … the-world/
Why thank you, Eaglekiwi! I'm glad my cluttered brain is good for something.
You're right about the food issue, but it's truly more than just the food. A couple of years ago, when I noticed what was happening, I told my daughter that I really hoped I wouldn't live to see what I believed was rapidly approaching. Since then, the pace seems to have tripled and now I realize that I'll be around to witness it if people don't wise up fast. I didn't join HP to write about these issues, but it seems that I can't write about much of anything else. The behavior of our government officials and the obvious greed of so many prominent people is simply shocking to me. Everything is so intertwined with everything else, it just makes for one twisted mess.
You are welcome!
I agree the problem usually always tracks back to money and power, or perhaps even something more sinister,control of the people.
When people are consummed by health problems,real or imagined,they become weak, gullible and indifferent.
The average person by themselves is powerless,but oh but if only there was unity,similar to how labor unions protected its people-oops I better leave it there lol
Corn is in far more foods than sweeteners. Meat comes from corn fed animals. Dairy products come from corn fed cows. Oils are made from corn. Corn feeds the chicken, the pig, catfish, the turkey, talipia, some salmon, lamb. Cornmeal is used to bread the chicken nuggets, is also used to make tortillas, chips, taco shells, etc.
Corn fed hens lay eggs that we eat. Sodas are made from corn syrup.
It touches much of the food the general public consumes. Even the beer you may drink. Corn has many different names on the label.
Most processed foods contain some form of corn.
Farmers markets are a good choice at least you get to speak to the growers personally.
I shopped a couple of times at this Amish run farmers market(OH)but theres no reason why a street or community couldn't do a similar thing. There is always vacant land close by.
Corn in the U.S is 90 % GM so factor in Monsanto's policies for faster turn around insisting Dairy farmers raise cattle(think about that when you buy beef or that $1 burger) on corn feed instead of grass feed.
10 yrs on cancer is on the rise ,along with every other possible disease,not to mention people sick every other day from 'something' the mind boggles.
I guess we reap what we sow -literally
I'm sending my letter asap --- but I can't do it right now, because I have to get to the food pantry (!?) before it closes. Thanks for that link.
Meanwhile --- please do an Internet search on "Vernon Herschberger", and you'll see what kind of insanity is going on with respect to the food we eat.
I did post the other day that I'm especially worried about poor folks --- who have to at times get food from pantries or soup kitchens.
Not sure what the "No, thank you," is about --- is it about Vernon Herschberger, or eating at the soup kitchen? Vernon is a local farmer who has been targeted by the local powers that be -- with a little help from the FDA, apparently.
I should say "Erma and Vernon" --- because his wife is also a farmer, of course, along with their kids.
I usually try to say "No, thank you," to the soup kitchen or the food pantry. Sometimes I have no choice --- unless I want to starve. Which I don't. I know what you mean, though. You never know what you're eating. I just try to eat as little of it as possible.
People could form cooperatives and grow their own vegetables-it would take effort and unity ,but works
Historically, when 20% of the population has more than half the wealth and power a violent upheaval is the result. Here we are with 1% controlling everything, their wealth more than half. This is completely unnatural and historically it’s something that has never happened before. There has to be something going on, and I’m sure the Monsanto food modifications are a big part of it.
Our fearless leader will return in 3 days after his timeout (ban from forums) is up. In the mean time, we'll carry on the torch. Someone didn't like his passionate outbursts in one of his forums.
Just thought I'd throw this into the mix.
The United States Environmental Protection Agency has concluded that methyl iodide causes permanent neurological damage, thyroid toxicity, and miscarriage is test animals.
It's no stretch to figure out who's behind the push to use methyl iodide. One need only follow the money. Arysta LifeScience is the world's largest privately-held pesticide company and they are doing the pushing. This is just one example among hundreds but it exemplifies how large companies like Arysta LIfe Science will invest significant resources lobbying politicians. The return on their investments is dramatic.
The methyl iodide laden strawberries reach the market. Strawberries are touted as being of a high antioxidant nature, full of vitamin C and low in calories, a power packed healthy snack for our kids.
Truth in advertising? Full disclosure of food content? I think not.
I don't eat the skin of any fruit. This means that I no longer eat berries of any type. It's the skin that's laced with pesticides, not the meat; or lesser so the meat.
That means I limit my fruit intake to those choices that require that the peel be removed. This includes bananas, oranges, avocados (yes it's a fruit), etc.
This has been a problem for decades now and it's only getting worse. I wish I could avoid corn too, but it is simply in too many products to avoid. The same is true of wheat.
I buy frozen organic corn. I've even started making my own bread using organic whole spelt, organic eggs, organic milk, and organic coconut oil. That's it. It's not bad. I was buying the frozen organic Ezekiel and spelt bread but it's up to $8.+ a loaf here now and I refuse to pay that much for a loaf of bread. We can get organic blueberries here in the summer but they're naturally twice the price.
The US has a higher fertility rate than ever? Interesting because I know more people who struggle with or have struggled with infertility in the United States in the last 5-10 years than I've ever heard about in my life. There are infertility specialists on almost every corner. But I'm sure it CAN'T be related to any of this...
I was embroiled in a bit of a heated discussion with a doubter regarding Monsanto and their products causing infertility on another of Wesman's forums, "Monsanto and Infertility". I posted some links to studies there about GM foods and infertility. The problem isn't just about GM foods, dioxins, pesticides, etc...It's about ALL of them and how they wreak havoc on the endocrine system which runs our entire body and every other system in it.
What's going on is the corporations and government agencies are using the fact that few studies have been done to prove what each individual chemical does, specifically (even though the properties of the chemicals are known) and saying there's no proof. Then they adopt the idea that no proof means no harm, rather than taking the stand that logic and common sense would dictate...dangerous chemicals equal dangerous results. Since we certainly do know what endocrine disruptors do to the human body, then it follows that known endocrine disruptors of any kind will cause damage. Does it really matter just what damage or how much? Damage is damage and dangerous is dangerous. The answer to whether we should use them in ANY amount should be NO! A thousand times NO, NO, NO!!!
I've been saying this, too. If this stuff can destroy insects through their nervous systems, what is it doing to ours? I've been convinced for quite some time now that this is the cause of most of our autoimmune, hormonal and nervous system disorders.
Just remember, Zyclon B, the "gas" the Nazis used during the holocaust was an insecticide before the war.
Well, Cardelean, you are a very bright and observant young lady. I was not going to refute that partiuclar 100% inaccurate comment ("the fertility rate is higher than ever.")....for the simple reason that I have no time nor desire to waste my valuable energies educating individuals with such low mentality, they feel they can pull any sort of crap out of thin air and offer it as a FACT of some sort...(as though, because he/she SAID it, it makes it so.) This is a common practice amongst people who intentionally surround themselves with the ignorant of our species. Morons will swallow anything you hand out ( pun intended, Monsanto) In obvious ways, it may be beneficial to the overall I.Q. of humanity, for some to rebuke irrefutable information, if you'll pardon my momentary lack of tolerance.
You are absolutely correct. The rate of infertility issues has risen significantly in the past decade. Fertility clinics and professionals have more than doubled in clientel seeking assistance.
Due to my background in mental health, I always feel it therapuetic for the uninformed to do their OWN research. HOMEWORK is good for what ails you...especially when it's stupidity/laziness that may be your major problem. Collecting accurate & proven DATA, backed by science, can often curb smugness, rudeness and cockiness as well, due to being slapped upside the head with reality and scientific truth.
Speaking of Science....in the interest of Science, I will suggest a good starting place. This is simple even for the "too intelligent to seek on-going education." Google: birth rates of IVF babies for ...say, the past 15 years, ....then simply COMPARE those statistics with the prior 15. Easy enough to completely wipe out the comment in focus here.
Woo Hoo! Great suggestion fpherj48! Love that idea of doing some homework and the comment about the "too intelligent".
I agree. I try hard not to participate in these types of threads because it just @#*#&* me off. I struggled with fertility issues and so have MANY of my friends. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see all of the damage, sickness, learning disabilities (I'm a teacher) etc. that we have now and attribute it to the "How fast can we get it in the stores and on the table to make the most money" mentality that this country has developed. It is no coincidence that we have a huge shift in the way farmers used to farm and the much lower health problems that occurred then. There is a complete disregard that "we" as a society have for ourselves, our environment and our animals. It's all about how fast and how much money we can make with a "we'll worry about what the consequences are later" attitude. It is a shame, but I guess ignorance is bliss.
cardelean....to say nothing of the alarming rise in children with Autism (all forms)...more and more people presenting with more and more, what were once, "rare forms of cancer." In addition, there has been a stunning increase in serious mental issues in the U.S. The FACTS, STATISTICS, REPORTS, NEW TEXT BOOKS BY MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AND EXPERTS are out there. We have access to the information and every available means to research and study. It's a matter of caring enough and motivating one's self to take the time and effort to L E A R N. Nothing new about the concept of continuing-ed....increasing knowledge and awareness. The difference? The healthy, active mind seeking wisdom, as opposed to the idle, stagnant mind, attached to an over-active mouth. Thanks for your intelligent and common sense input!
There's a lot to be said for taking the initiative to learn everything we can about the food we eat, the medications we take, and the topicals we use.
There's also the issue of integrity and moral obligation to the public. These companies should not be allowed to poison our food sources and promote foods without full and complete disclosure of process and growing practices. That doesn't even begin to touch on environmental issues like poisoning water with ground runoff, for example. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that if frogs and aquatic creatures are being born without limbs, etc., that it has something to do with the runoff from adjacent agricultural land.
Strawberries are listed as the #3 food to buy organic because of the high content of pesticide residue. Apples are #1.
Edit ~ I was just searching for this link and found it on one of my hubs.
For those of you downunder who may want a reference:
GM foods sold in New Zealand must be labelled ‘genetically modified’ if they contain DNA or protein from a GM source or they have altered characteristics compared to their non-GM counterpart (such as a changed fatty acid profile).
http://www.mfe.govt.nz/issues/organisms … /food.html
Well this is very interesting. When we think of GM foods, we tend to think of cross hybridization. The fact that one molecule of fatty acid is changed can have a huge impact on the body's overall ability to recognize the product as something it can use, causing a type of systemic chaos. It therefore goes the way of white sugar, a non-food that does more harm than good to the body.
wine makes my food more yummy when i go in search of best wine i found that Wine is a famous and very common produce of Tuscany,italy. Chianti is arguably the most well-known internationally. So many British tourists come to the area where Chianti wine is produced that this specific area has been nicknamed Chianti shire one of my favourite place too.
Sadly we already know that we can not trust the government,any government to have our health in mind when they make deals and adjust recommended 'safe' standards.
Common sense tells us its dollars that matter,and the trade off is our health.
Sick people buy medicine,and the medicine sellers know it.
It is an effective marketing stragedy ,supply and demand.
The best answer as I see it is to unify and boycott the guilty companies, quit buying it til ,amazing what CEO's will do when they see (instantly) a drop in profits.
I believe the reason they continue to have this control over the consumer is because there is no unity, and therein likes their power.
Agree 100%. Boycott the hell out of it. Buy organic, local if you can. Eat less but eat better, more nourishing foods and the body won't constantly crave eating. Try making foods from scratch using whole flours, etc. I've recently switched to using pure, raw, organic coconut oil as a moisturizer for the body and face. I just got tired of trying to find something that didn't contain chemicals since the skin is the largest surface of indirect chemical entry.
We're all lab rats to the chem corps and the drug corps. I agree with couturepop.
Part 10 of The World According to Monsanto about transgenic foods.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlYi2O2c … ature=plcp
If you haven't watched all of them, they're worth watching.
I watched a couple of these. Really sad and infuriating.
oh yes, I agree. Watch all of them, a lot of time and research went into this movie, and they're quite revealing.
Now it is the public's turn to make waves. I read something recently about the Bivings Group, Monsanto's PR firm, being hacked in Dec., causing the firm to shut down their servers and liquidate their assets - some going on to start a new firm, The Brick Factory. I didn't hear it on the news.
Here's another site about Monsanto boycotts, etc. http://monsantoboycott.com/
Signon.org has a petition to ask Obama to get Monsanto out of the FDA - I recommend this and any other action to get GMs at least labeled, if not banned in the country - BEFORE it all cross pollinates with everything else. http://signon.org/sign/tell-obama-to-ce … ng_id=1844
Haven't clicked on your link yet ,but the FDA don't exactly have a sqeaky clean record either. ,in my opinion they can be bought for a price.
The FDA has appointed positions so their "dedication" to doing what's right in protecting our health regarding food and drugs is determined by who is doing the appointing. The President appoints the Commissioner of Food and Drugs with advice and consent of the US Senate. Obama is responsible for the appointment of Margaret A. Hamburg, MD, as FDA Commissioner, as well as bringing the Frankenfood Czar, Michael Taylor back as her advisor.
For quite a few years, the rank and file of the FDA has been controlled by political motives as well as corruption and greed. The FDA has been a sort of "revolving door" for Monsanto employees...they leave Monsanto for a position with the FDA, just in time to approve a Monsanto product, then leave for a position in one of the firms that Monsanto is a client or partner.
I don't trust the judgment of the FDA for a minute. With all the drugs they approve only to discover later they aren't safe? There seems to be a new one every week. One that stands out in my mind is Abilify. I think that's the name of it. If someone is taking anti-depressants, Abilify MAY help. It may also cause feelings of suicide, kidney failure, hemmorhaging, stroke, sudden death and more.
What are these people thinking? Most depression, however severe, can be cured with the right nutrition.
Sadly, this is all political. It's been made clear that these are political moves.
If you've watched the entire movie about The World of Monsanto, which was highly researched along with interviews with key people, this is made clear. Part 3 of the movie-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVIR56CI … re=related
Bush Sr. quote: "call me, we're in the "dereg" business.
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