Marxism - the Future

1. 60

   GoldenBirdposted 13 years ago

   Some think that way?

   replyreport
   1. 60

      couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Haven't we been through this already? Marxism won't work because as soon as the proletariat gains some sort of power, he will forget where he came from, like the nouveau riche, and the guy below him becomes the new working class. It's an endless cycle. Marx was a dreamer and an idealist and there's no way to live in a capitalistic society and have Marxism.
      
      Now, if everyone could forget about having more than the other guy and each pulled his own weight in small societal groups, like large tribes, and we could all get along, with elders having final say in all disputes, each person in the tribe having an equal vote as long as they're of reasonable age, and instead of imprisoning offenders, they were mentally reinforced and edified to clear them of their neuroses, perhaps the world could change.

      replyreport
      1. 59

         Eric Newlandposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Exactly. Today's rebels are tomorrow's tyrants, and any society that is completely dependent on the honesty and good will of the people who run the government is doomed to fail, or will succeed, at the longest, until the first administration change.
         
         The Marxist solution to the gap between rich and poor seems to be to make everyone poor. You divvy up the wealth, everything is hunky dory for a while, and then the people who would otherwise be the great innovators and contributors to society come to terms with the fact that they have no tangible incentive to do more than the bare minimum, so they...don't do more than the bare minimum. Less is produced, less is available to go around, everyone becomes poorer.
         
         Then the leaders (who are in charge of seeing that everyone gets stuff "according to their need" and thus come to the astounding realization that they, themselves, need an awful lot) notice that the country is tanking big time and lagging in the international market because everyone has become a bunch of lazy slobs waiting in bread lines.
         
         So they pick out a few choice geniuses and look the other way as far as wealth redistribution goes so those people will start inventing and improving things and trying new ideas again. These government favorites become fabulously rich.
         
         So you take a capitalistic society full of a lot of poor and a few uber-rich people and turn it into...a socialistic society full of a lot of poor and a few uber-rich people. Progress!
         
         (Source: Virtually every nation that has ever tried to build a Marxist utopia)

         replyreport
         1. 60

            couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I'm one of the top 2% of creative geniuses so I'm in a good place. If only I could get someone to notice.

            replyreport
   2. 59

      Josakposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well certainly the future for many places, South America is all going that way for example, it is an interesting phenomenon of democratic Marxism and it seems to be working, all their economies are thriving and the quality of life etc. is rising.
      It is also worth noting that if anyone thinks the USSR or China practised Marxism they have not read Marx.

      replyreport
2. 59

   Eric Newlandposted 13 years ago

   Mostly people who didn't pay much attention during the 20th century, to my mind.
   
   Why was the Berlin Wall built? Hint: it wasn't to keep people OUT of East Germany.

   replyreport
3. 68

   innersmiffposted 13 years ago

   Apparently most students at my university think that way. I just hope their revolutionary fervour is directed towards liberty rather than Marxism.

   replyreport
4. 61

   Hui (蕙)posted 13 years ago

   Marxism theorized that communist society or social harmony will come true when social products are affluent enough that everyone can get however much they need, when people wouldn't fight or compete, because there is no economic problem at all and everybody is equal. Actually, that is a perfect distant dream, and people nowadays unsurprisingly doudt. However, people may not believe in Marxism or the dream, but people should have confidence in science or human wisdom. In my opinion, science can make everything as long as the planet give it enough time. So, even if it is just Utopian dream, it is at least a trend.

   replyreport
   1. 60

      couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You're right. It is a Utopian dream. The problem with Utopia, however, is that the main component is people and people fall into four categories: Very competitive, very lazy, very indifferent. The fourth type of person is the glue that holds humanity together. The truth seekers, the music makers, the tellers of tales. Those with imagination and harmony, a spirit of cooperation and love. Unfortunately, the rest of them block those out.

      replyreport
5. 61

   Paul Wingertposted 13 years ago

   Marxism is one of those plans that looks great on paper. But, like Capitalism, is doesn't work very well as the US and Russia found out. A harmony of both is a good combo as seen in most, not all, modern industrialized nations.

   replyreport