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A Discussion With Manatita on Spiritual Philosophy - Part 5

Updated on July 28, 2020
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Life is a long road. Along the road, at every moment we must remain cheerful and Self-offering.

— Sri Chinmoy

An Ongoing Adventure

In the fourth part of this spiritual adventure, my Brother, Manatita helped me, and I hope you too, to approach terms of sin, guilt and forgiveness. In this fifth part, we will continue with some questions about the way we can walk the Spiritual path. I hope you'll enjoy it as I did.

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Manatita

Spiritual Adventure, Part 5

Ioannis: I think you are right. Many good people with the best intentions to change the world, failed just because this is probably impossible! You can't change a society which has been created in this contemporary form by the choices, the acts, and the collective conscience of all people. You can better it, though. You can play your part and make it even a little better while you are trying, at the same time, to motivate others to do the same. Cumulatively, all these efforts can make the difference.

Did I understand right the meaning of your phrase?

Manatita: Yes ... yes, you can better it. Why else would the Master's come? You are the branch and the Master is the Tree. Did you not say that I inspire you? Are you not inspiring others? Light must descend into darkness. But we should not push! Simply serve without expectations. Actions by themselves have no power. What matters in action, is a live vibrant awareness of the power of Love/Consciousness/Spirit.

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Be the benchmark that Paul and Christ ask you to be and you will shift mountains. Let your life be an imitation of Christ, one of Love, tolerance, soulful self-giving, mercy and empathy ... that is the foundation. For that, prayer is necessary and an intense devotion to something Higher. The life of a God-seeker is a great privilege, but a huge responsibility. Here's a sublime quote:

“Try not to change the world, you will fail.

Try to love the world.

Lo! The world is changed, changed forever." -Sri Chinmoy

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Ioannis: "Simply serve without expectations."

I think that this phrase and Sri Chinmoy's quote could be enough to end this discussion!

This phrase is my motto, the path I want to walk!

But it will not end here because there is the practical side of the struggle and I want to ask you some things about that.

We have to prepare the Inner Self with the power of Love/Consciousness/Spirit, but there is the physical body too, with its needs and limitations.

Therefore I ask:

How do you prepare the body to obey the Soul?

Manatita: Give yourself to the Divine, and the whole universe will work with you. Haven't you heard people say, that if you take one step towards God, then He takes 99 towards you?

But of course, it's not easy. I want to go down on record as saying that I, too, have limitations. The work is never easy. So we should be all empathy, recognising that each soul fights its own battles.

"Life's perfection-road is very long, but the journey is richly rewarding." - Sri Chinmoy.

Again, it is not the body we should be worried about, but developing the psyche, to hear and obey the voice of Conscience. For this the foundation is necessary:

Prayer ... faith ... gratitude ... silent prayer ... service, empathy which comes from Love.

Trust in the soul and it will guide you to the outer needs. For each one it's different, according to the experiences needed for growth and development ... for progress.

Look at the lilies of the field, they toil not, yet they are so beautiful! They live in the eternal now, like the child ... in the Sacrament of the present moment. (I have a Sonnet on lilies here).

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Ioannis: Do you mean that your choice to be a vegetarian is irrelevant with the Yoga Philosophy?

Manatita: No. But let life answer your questions in a natural way. We cannot move faster than Grace and again, the inner voice is the real teacher. Nurture it or listen well, and it will supply what you need.

Do your duty, then wait patiently. If you do not understand, then wait some more. God reveals all, but Yoga does not like to rush Him.

The devotional way is the way of the Heart. What you do not understand, let it go, like Cam.

You are only asked to long ... to cry. Let the Mother do the rest. Stay in the sweet simplicity of the Heart and She will teach all at God's choice hour. Now move forward! Let the mind rest.

Ioannis: Yes, but is the vegetarian lifestyle necessary for a seeker?

Manatita: Mostly yes. For the beginner seeker, every little bit helps. Life is Consciousness/vibrations/energy/Spirit. All things have Consciousness/Spirit. The vibrations of the animal are restless, aggressive, while that of vegetables are milder... gentler.

Yoga is equanimity, poise, balance or harmony. The goal is to be a peaceful being, to be conscious of and to live in the bliss of the Self. Anything that helps is useful.

Fish is slothful, indolent with little drive or movement and is also not recommended.

Finally, God knows our Hearts and the spiritual life has exceptions. Meat may be necessary for some due to nutritional or health reasons.

Purity of intentions or sincerity of purpose is paramount! These are the things of the Heart. Spirituality is logical and wise. Narrowness is negative and God is not bound by rules.

Note that ours is not right and wrong, not the moral way but of Consciousness/energy/vibrations.

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Ioannis: I think we are at a crucial point as for the comprehension of the foundation of Yoga or Spiritual Philosophy. I know - I have received enough messages - that many readers of this discussion have their first contact with this way of life and I want us to be as clear as possible for them.

From your three previous, exceptional, answers I understand that Yoga is not a path, is all the paths!

Everyone's path is different, according to the experiences needed for growth and development. Is the way of his own Heart.

If someone hears and obeys the voice of Conscience, if someone stays in the sweet simplicity of the Heart, then he or she walks the Yoga path. There are not ordered formal worship, physical exercises, fast, forbidden foods or actions. There are no typical more than them which the Heart orders to the devotee.

Did I understand right?

Manatita: Yoga philosophy is essentially the spiritual life, which is based on Love of God. Still, we are walking along a particular road to Greece, while others fly and some take a boat or vessel. Greece is the goal, but the methods differ.

So Yoga is also called a Path. There are many Paths and each seeker chooses according to its nature, environment and upbringing, outside influence and mostly the propensity of the soul.

Within this Path there are two roads, loosely speaking, the road of the mind and the way of the Heart. The mind likes to reason, to analize, to chop things up, to separate or divide. It thinks of 'me' and 'my.'

The Heart is like a child. Simplicity incarnate. It is spontaneous and likes to identify. The Heart is very vast. It thinks of 'we' and 'ours' and has a tremendous sense of oneness. The mind says: "Be careful!" Love, the way of the Heart, says “Take the plunge."

Paths are many. Truth is one and Grace or Light, is the goal for all. Yet methods differ, each having its own legitimacy, according to the energy or vibration of the devotee.

End of part 5.

To be continued… (link to part 6)

The Book

Manatita, The Lantern Carrier: An Esoteric Journey to Spiritual Philosophy
Manatita, The Lantern Carrier: An Esoteric Journey to Spiritual Philosophy
This article is an excerpt from my book "Manatita, The Lantern Carrier". A book dedicated to all the seekers of the Light which I am sure that it will lift you up!
 

© 2018 Ioannis Arvanitis

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    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      My dear Li-Jen, thank you for your quick summary of this part! I couldn't do it better! I am glad to see that you study rather than read this series. And of course, you made Manatita give one more great answer (thanks bro!) which is a profit for us all.

      Appreciation!

      Sean

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      manatita44 

      2 years ago from london

      Yes, Li-Jen.

      A big one! We humans always want something in return. Sri Krishna called it duty with detachment. To work we are entitled, but not to the fruits there of. In other words, do your best but leave the results in the hands of Buddha. Always a joy to see you. Amitabha.

    • Li-Jen Hew profile image

      Li-Jen Hew 

      2 years ago

      Hey Sean and Manatita. Serve without expectations. That reminds me of unconditional love. Learning to let go when you don't understand, that's reasonable. And it's good to do something to change the world in little ways.Thanks for sharing.

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      Ha! I am glad to hear that this discussion has stalkers! Especially you, my friend Eric. Great honor!

      I am with you in this, as I wrote to Brian. Love has to be action.

      Thank you for your participation in this adventure.

      God Bless your aspiring Spirit!

      Sean

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      Indeed, my dear friend, Brian! Indeed! Love is action, inner and outer. Jesus is the right example of Love in action. Thank you for your wise feedback.

      Gratitude!

      Sean

    • Ericdierker profile image

      Eric Dierker 

      2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Yes I am "stalking" this series ;-) Fine gentlemen delving into fine questions to be addressed. Perhaps aspiring seers as Chinmoy.

      Brian raises the "love without good works" issue. This is paramount, in my opinion. I can stay in and love but I must go out "to" love.

    • B. Leekley profile image

      Brian Leekley 

      2 years ago from Bainbridge Island, Washington, USA

      Jesus was quoting Leviticus when he said love your neighbor. A literal translation of the original Hebrew is "love to your neighbor". That is, do acts that express and show love of neighbor. The "to" was not in Jesus's instruction in the Aramaic language, but he made clear in his parable of the good Samaritan that to love your neighbor means to act in practical ways to assist a fellow human in need. Both action that does not express and manifest love and love that is unexpressed in action are off the mark.

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      I know my Brother, Manatita, I know well! As I know that every note comes from your luminous Heart, so no apologies! Though, I treasure your beautiful comment, is a great honour for me. Thank you for mentioning my extended family! You see... your Heart can understand... this is precious to me!

      And I wholeheartedly agree, ours is not the 'right' way, but an offering of the Heart.

      Thank you for the opportunity of this adventure!

      Hari Om!

      Sean

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      manatita44 

      2 years ago from london

      Sometimes I'm not well. Ongoing chronic fatigue. So I rest more. It can also mean that what I should say first, I say later or last.

      You should know that I am aware of your sweet sacrifice in covering our interviews; of your wife and 4 loving children ... of your extended family at work.

      It is in this sense that I treasure your input, your assiduousness. Ours is a victory for the Supreme ... for the Spirit of Ioannis ... Manatita ... aspiring seekers here and for mankind.

      Ours is not the 'right' way, but an offering of the Heart. God bless your eagerness and willingness ... your devotional bent. Om Shanti!!

      P.S. Gratitude to all our readers.

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      Excellent metaphor, my Brother, Tim! Indeed we are! Thank you for your contribution to this effort, you are with us in this discussion, I feel you by my side, Brother in Christ.

      My prayers are with you.

      Sean

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      Tim Truzy 

      2 years ago from U.S.A.

      Wonderful Sean and Manatita. We are all tributaries emptying into the river of life returning to the Great Ocean. We all have a path to take. Fabulous.

      I truly enjoyed this and the other discussions.

      Thank you again.

      Sincerely,

      Tim

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      My dear Brother, Venkatachari M, as I wrote in Chitrangada Sharan's comment, your presence here is significant for the "growth" of this discussion! I thank you all the enlightened readers.

      Sean

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      Oh! My Oh! my... Greece is back in place, my dear Brother, Manatita!

      You know in the old days Greece had some Grace, not today... not today... But is always a great destination! Lol!

      Thank you for your Light. I tend to believe that your Lantern is your Heart!

      Grateful!

      Sean

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      Venkatachari M 

      2 years ago from Hyderabad, India

      One more beautiful discussion on the path to Spiritual Enlightenment. Manatita explains it all so wonderfully and with a clearcut image of it all. He is leading us perfectly in the glow of his Lantern. Thanks to both of you for accommodating this wonderful journey.

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      Eric, bro, I love your perception about your plants! We are on the same wave. Thank you for your cheerful - always - feedback!

      Peace on your Path!

      Sean

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      My dear Sister, Chitrangada Sharan, your presence here are significant for the "growth" of this discussion! I thank you all the enlightened readers.

      Sean

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      Oh! My brother, Bill, those are my words! I am the student who learns from his teachers, you and Manatita! Thank you so much!

      Gratitude!

      Sean

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      manatita44 

      2 years ago from london

      I used the word Greece. You changed it to Grace, then I changed it to Rome. Yet Grace appears.

      Thank you for another compelling piece. My thanks also to all your readers. Glory be!

    • Ericdierker profile image

      Eric Dierker 

      2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Lovely. I like the easy format.

      I often hike in back country and sometimes we take a "wrong" path and end up on a dangerous precipice. It always makes me wonder about the path that failed being the right path at the time.

      I have some animals and our backyard brims with them - two mice are my favorite I think. The lizard family is cool and of course all "our" birds.

      But I have gardens both flower and vegetable. They speak to me and I cultivate and care for them and truly love them, some are old friends and some new each season. I think they receive my love and clearly give it back to me.

      Makes me wonder about sentient. I have met bulls and dogs who just want to kill.

      Just a thought along my path.

    • ChitrangadaSharan profile image

      Chitrangada Sharan 

      2 years ago from New Delhi, India

      This question and answer session is absorbing and a spiritual guide.

      Thanks to both of you for the words of wisdom shared through this spiritual discussion.

      Thank You!

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      Bill Holland 

      2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      The student learns from his teachers. Thank you both!

      Peace always!

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