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What Does it Mean to be an Atheist?

Updated on May 12, 2012
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In a recent hub, Aguasilver made the claim that he was a converted Christian that once was an atheist. After reading his hub, which you can read here, I have come to the conclusion that Aguasilver either, a) does not know what the meaning of being an atheist is, or b) is a complete liar and has made a false claim. I will let you decide which, but I will give my inference on this subject.

I find it quite annoying that there are people that think that being an atheist simply means ignoring god. For the reader's and Aguasilver's benefit, I will include here the definition of the words atheism and atheist from several different sources.

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Atheism: 1. archaic: ungodliness, wickedness 2. a: a disbelief in the existence of deity b: the doctrine that there is no deity.

Atheist: one who believes that there is no deity.

Urban Dictionary

Atheist: 1.) A person who lacks belief in a god or gods. People who use this definition categorize atheists as either negative (or implicit or weak) atheists or positive (or explicit or strong) atheists. Negative atheists, while they don't believe in a god, do not positively assert that no gods exist. Positive atheists, however, do. 2.) A person who believes that no god or gods exist.

Dictionary.com

Atheism: 1) the doctrine or belief that there is no god 2) disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Hmmm... nowhere does it say a tendency to ignore god or questions about god, like Aguasilver claims. Interesting.

Does Atheism Imply Living a Less Than Moral Life?

Certainly not--but that is exactly what Aguasilver has suggested in his hub, "Answer to atheistchick." Nowhere in his hub does he describe not believing in a god or gods, or questioning their existence. He merely relates the story of his childhood into adulthood, and how for most of his life he "ignored" god. How is this atheism?

I find it quite insulting that a person who does not even know the meaning of atheism can write a hub and suggest that there is some correlation between a lack of belief in a god and "exploring life," "stealing," "fumbling with girls," and "smoking hash." There very well may be atheists who have done or currently do all of those things, but that does not an atheist make one.

Later, Aguasilver goes on to say, "God had no place in my life...When folk spoke of religion I just nodded and ignored them, the question of hell never bothered me as I did not believe it existed." Not believing in hell does not necessarily imply not believing in a god. Auguasilver has yet to state that.

But it gets better. He then goes on to relate how he was almost killed, how he was unfaithful to his partner, how he was not happy even though he had managed to make a million dollars. I still can't find anywhere in his hub where he explains how he questioned the existence of god. When did he, like every real atheist, read the bible from cover to cover and find it hard to swallow? When did he go through sleepless nights with that question, "Does god exist?" I have yet to read any of that, yet this man claims he was an atheist?

It sounds like to me that an "atheist," to Aguasilver, is simply someone who lives or has lived a less than moral life. Well, thank you for that wonderful insult, Mr. Aguasilver. What a fine Christian you are, indeed. You are wrong. Plain and simple, you have made a huge mistake--I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Final Thoughts

Finally, Aguasilver leaves the reader with this sentiment: "A wise person never precludes that there may be more truth to find."

Really? Because it seems to me that you've been a Christian your entire life, albeit a lazy one by Christian's own standards. You have never outright questioned the existence of god, you clearly stated yourself that you just ignored him. And as for god being your final answer, you settled. You never dared to ask any questions. At best, sir, you may have been an agnostic, but a poor one at that. An atheist, you were not, and I think you owe atheists everywhere an apology.

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      Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      I thoroughly enjoy learning, exchange of knowledge....and all areas of continuing education, as I live my life from day to day. I don't "hate" (for the irrational sake of hating) any person or group.

      I'm interested in learning through discussion and/or debate with Atheists, Believers, the left, right or in between of politics....and all nationalities and ethnic groups.

      Unless rudely pressed for personal information.....I may or may not share my personal, private spiritual beliefs and/or practices. In addition, I am not in the habit of ASKING people their religion if any, their Nationality nor their political affiliation. Therefore, unless this info is offered and a discussion ensues, I needn't have anyone's "explanation" of these things. I use my own intelligence for this and all other understanding.

      Finally, it seems to me it's really not fair nor acceptable to speak for an entire group. If one feels one must EXPLAIN, it's important to note that it is THEIR opinion as an individual member of a group. The only exception would be if a group has an official Constitution or list of rules, regulations, obligations & responsibilities which members must adhere to. I don't know of any, do you?

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      Kylyssa Shay 2 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

      I'm an atheist and I find this hub embarrassing due to the personal attacks it makes. Is there really any reason to act like the stereotypes so many atheists have been likened to?

      Yes, lots of people claim to have been atheists without ever having thought God wasn't real. It's not an attack against atheists; it's really just ignorance of what atheism is. It can be counteracted with correct information about what atheism is rather than by calling out individuals in a published piece. Aguasilver didn't crucify a baby or run a dog-fighting ring, he just repeated something he believed, albeit incorrectly, to be a fact. I've met Evangelicals who thought Catholics were atheists, for pity's sake! It's no reason to go into attack mode over someone not understanding a definition.

      When there are Christians out there making death threats to other atheist writers who don't resort to naming and shaming people for having been taught questionable things in church, it makes this kind of petty rant annoying to me. Why give them more reasons to hate? Why not try to educate rather than trying to shame? You know it's impossible to actually shame someone for holding a belief about something they think is true, don't you? Aguasilver believes his definition of atheism, he believes that atheists think God is real. You just come off as a mean, irrational person trying to correct him through public shaming and you just make him and others like him hate atheists even more.

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      cheaptrick 4 years ago from the bridge of sighs

      The guy above me...he died a few weeks ago.He was an intelligent man.Me?not so smart...but I do think there may be an overarching truth that applies to all existence....If there is...what do we call it?

      The problem with humans in general is our failure to acknowledge our tiny limited minds.I love people who can say"I don't know"with a smile...like this :)

      Dean

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      50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

      I would think that this hub be edited to remove the "personal" attack of anothers writing and opinion, seems it would have better served to be done in the forums, and had you not used the comment section to promote this attack you would not have the number of readers that are present and commenting.

      Clearly a mass of violations that you should pull this hub and edit the name of another writer who was kind enough not to do the same as he hubbed an answer to an inquisition of the theist vs atheist as he saw it's effects in his life. How he worded his story was a interesting testament, in my opinion. Your rebuttal, calling him a liar vs a hub describing your core value and what it was built on would have been more interesting where you might refer back to a hub you read that didn't in your opinion.

      Just saying, you've crossed the lines of a decent thought with a drama creating hub of accusation and you should apologize to your target as well as thank him for allowing your broadcast of this hub in his replies.

      Peace,

      50

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      I totally agree f_hruz. This person just posted nonsense on like three of my hubs, called them awful. Fair enough. I certainly don't expect everyone to enjoy my hubs like rational people do. But come on! Get a life!

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      f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

      Emma, if these religionists had a fully functional brain, they would try to advance scientific thought and apply critical observation and in the process get a grasp on reality ... and NOT hide behind some gods which never were nor ever will.

      How will their faith in Jesus, St. Nick or Micky Mouse help them to develop a brain which can benefit them and ultimately change this confused bible belt mentality to the better?

      Franto in Toronto

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Maybe I just like to insult people? And if you keep commenting on my hubs all you are doing is giving me the chance to get to know you, and therefore giving me the chance to call you out as a liar like I did aguasilver. You know why? Because usually when a 'christian' like you goes from hub to hub posting nonsense like you have it's called damage control. I'll be looking forward to your next assault.

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      MilesArmbruster 5 years ago from Somewhere on the journey

      As a rule, if you use logic, and you are right, there is no need to get defensive and nasty and insulting.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      You clearly see my heart or I hit the nail on the head? Whatever, Chris. Psychobabble form you affects me about as much as you praying for me does. To make it clear for you so that there is no misunderstanding, it doesn't. And you are definitely welcome to read any and all of my hubs. It might prove to be very enlightening.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Emma,

      I clearly see your heart by the words you choose to use.

      I am now going to resign from this hub, it is going to accomplish nothing with me commenting my opinion on here, and I am sorry about hijacking it in a direction you obviously don't want it to go....but with all of my heart and honesty, I sincerely wish you the best, and I am a follower of yours and I will drop in on your hubs from time to time.

      Chris

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      And aguasilver, it sounds like you're in business to make a profit. You aren't doing anything out of the kindness of your heart, so I don't see why you even bring this up. Perhaps you think, as you are raking in you "millions" as per your own hub, that if you pray, god will do good deeds for you. How very christian of you. The more I get to know you the more I am glad that I don't know you. You are one sorry human. And CMerrit, I find it odd that you, unless you know this guy personally, would defend him so much. You are just proving the typical christian sheep behavior that is so characteristic of your dogma. You cover each other's lies and you come to each other's rescue, just like the pope covering for all those priests that can't get enough of those little boys. I could go on, but I have more important things to do.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      To both aguasilver and CMerritt, f_hruz is absolutely right. You may run a debit card company but I don't see how that helps anyone. You, once again, are patting yourself on the back. As for bigotry, I take it you don't know what the word means. And since you have already proven yourself to be a liar, I don't believe a word you say. So yeah, you're right, this hub does speak volumes of atheists, since honesty and taking responsibility gets more done than tooting your own horn.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Wow, this hub speaks volumes of atheists.

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      John Harper 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      f_hruz, for your information I run a global debit card program, which allows low wage overseas foreign workers to reduce the cost of remittances for their families, as well as having a Philippine company that works in Green Technology to deal with toxic waste, your generalisations show your bigotry.

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      f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

      Emma, the problem with these religionoids is the drain on the nations economic & intellectual capacity.

      They are sitting around waiting for some god to come and help them find out how to use their brain and get a job.

      Can you imagine the economic upturn from just 30% of all these brain dead relionoids realizing that no gods will do a thing for them and it maybe time for them to get their mind in gear and start a small business instead of praying to a god to help them out, but who will never show ... because there is no such thing in the real world! :)

      No matter how long they pray to their last dollar bill: "In god we trust!" ... no change to the better will come till they get a better idea and stop wasting their time and energy praying to NOTHING for NOTHING ... lol

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Well said, f_hruz!!!

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      f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

      Aguasilver - you couldn't ever have been an atheist and spout BS like you do today unless you lost your brain on the way to church.

      You have become a silly religionoid who has no grasp of reality or you'd know what you are saying is pure BS!

      How can a non existing thing some silly man invented so people like you will fall for it, KNOW anything?

      Gods have been invented so suckers like you can get a high feeling close to something which doesn't even exist!

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Well, I'm pretty sure I already made my case. As for my smug face...DEAL!

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      John Harper 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      OK emmaspeaks.

      Say what you will, God knows the truth and you WILL answer for every idle word you utter.

      Have fun, say what you like, but I would suggest that you change your smug faced little avatar, it discloses to easily how juvenile you are and how smart you think you are.

      Grow up and come back when you can make a case.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      I'm sure there are many who sleep quite well with drugs.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      With God in my life, I sleep like a baby.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Whatever let's you sleep at night, dude.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Yeah, paraniod.

      I really think you are.

      But, I think you are one passionate woman, who is on fire with her belief. I will give you props for that.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Paranoid?? Wow, it seems like YOU'RE the one that is paranoid. Don't like it when one of your own is called out as a liar?? Tut, tut. Deal, buddy. I'm not one to sit and let a person blatantly lie in front of me. Sorry if my morals are a little more evolved than yours. I guess as a christian, you're used to covering up other people's lies. We can go on like this all day. If you want to debate me, bring it. If you can't deal with a fellow christian being called out as the liar that he is, too bad. I could never write a hub about being a christian, even though I was born and raised that way. You know why? Because I always knew it was a lie. So I could never pretend that I ever experienced christianity. Unlike aguasilver, who claims he was once a christian, then and atheist, then a christian again. WOW! Talk about a nut case. If he ever doubted christianity at all, it would have been more profound than that. Open your eyes. But, like I said, it must be a christian thing to accept lies. Thanks for making my point for me.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Most people can tell when some people are paranoid and intimidated. That is what you appear to be.

      Old saying that comes to mind....First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      CMerritt, that's a cop out, so save it. Most people can tell when someone is lying, too bad you're not one of them.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      WOW! Emma, you are on angry atheist!!! Seems to be a fairly common trait among such individuals.

      I got to stand up for what I see as the pure truth....Aguasilver, told HIS story...on how he transformed his life by accepting God in his life. No BS, just facts as he knew them.

      I applaud him for his hub and his kindness to share with others.

      Have a great day,

      Chris

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      John Harper 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      So be it.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      You can stick to your irrational fairy tales, I'll stick to logic.

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      John Harper 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Thanks Emma,

      I think we will let God (and the readers) judge that issue.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Thanks for the comment f_hruz! Exactly, that's why I find it very suspicious that aguasilver claims to have been an atheist. He is obviously lying, and he knows it. I can smell BS when I come into close proximity to it, and his hub smells from a mile away.

      Aguasilver, get over YOURSELF! You are a joke, and a bad one at that. You still haven't addressed any of the fallacies from your hub. This tells me that you know good and well that it's all BS. I feel satisfied. It's a good day when I can unmask a liar. Good day to you, too.

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      John Harper 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Emmaspeaks:

      "Yes, I am terribly offended because 1) from what he has written, I don't believe he was an atheist at all, 2) being an atheist does not entail "turning away from god," because when you finally accept that there is no god, which is what being an atheist is, there is nothing to turn away from."

      You don't believe is your prerogative, as an atheist it is your mantra, so get over it, you can believe what you want, God will still be our judge on the accuracy of our belief and the veracity of our words.

      You fail to recognise the difference that when someone comes to faith, and finds God to be truth, past misconceptions disappear. That's why my language has changed, retrospectively, when you acknowledge you were wrong, then you (logically) realise God was always there, even when you said He was not.

      f_hruz: You also do atheists a disservice by applying more conditions to their lack of belief than Emma set out at the top right of her hub:

      'a lack of belief in God or gods'

      That is her definition, you now add that they need to be 'endowed' with superior knowledge (Gnosticism) "Being a real atheist gives one the intellectual ability " and "Atheist favor the study of natural science"

      Really?

      I suggest that in fact, when an atheist rejects God, then the enemy just starts corrupting their thought process in order to deaden the spirituality we all are born with.

      Anyhow, I am not interested in using this comments box as a forum, you both know where I am in the forums if you want to attack me further at any time.

      Your definition: 'a lack of belief in God or gods'

      Show me the hard evidence backed by repeatable tests and empirical evidence that being an atheists required more than this and I will be happy.

      You guys really like to complicate things in your rebellion against God.

      He is God, you are not, 'Get Over It' (to quote the homosexuals bus adverts).

      Have a good life, and don't waste the one life you think you have on trying to prove to your own satisfaction that you are right, leave some room for the fact that God is real and when you meet him a small smidgeon of humility may help the situation.

      Adios.

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      PlanksandNails 5 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      People will become offended, that's life!

      There are people who become offended by someone's personal view. For some, a militant attempt must be attempted to appeal to their emotional need to convey the offensive nature of the others personal view.

      It is in the opinion, and in the best interest of the offended to tell the offender to take responsibility for their misguided perceptions in their personal belief.

      Opinions will offend. When the offended takes something too personal, it is obvious, and it becomes an overwhelming effect caused by the other. Offence is the result of how much influence the offender has had over the offended.

      How a person handles themselves is a good indicator of their emotional state.

      Learning to handle criticism, overlook offences, and take a second opinion are characteristics of emotional integrity.

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      f_hruz 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

      Point well made, Emma!

      Being a real atheist gives one the intellectual ability to know that gods are man made fabrications of no value to nature since natural processes have no use for super natural myths created by poorly educated humans.

      Atheist favor the study of natural science over religious BS any day ... that's why you will almost never see a real atheist regress back into the emotional dilemma of looking for some gods to guide his life.

      Atheist are realists who don't create false hope for themselves by praying to non-existing gods ... only religious types who are god delusional and irrational talk about a reality and nature having been created by gods because they know virtually nothing about nature, what it is and how it works ... they are very quick to quote you some lines from their favorite mythological BS story book instead!

      That's why it's so highly unlikely, any atheist will go back to wanting to live with a polluted mind full of religious absurdities and make belief BS ...

      Franto in Toronto

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Essentially, this is what aguasilver is claiming: Yeah, I went through some bad times. I turned away from god, I was an atheist, I almost got killed... In that context, what he states is very offensive since he has just lumped atheism in with a bunch of other "bad" things. Color it any way you want, aguasilver at least needs to acknowledge that much. From what he states, I find no evidence that he was an atheist. I think he is trying to use atheism as a scapegoat for his "bad" life to eliminate taking responsibility for his actions.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      One cannot make an outrageous claim and use a bunch of nonsense to support it, sir. I'm sorry if that works in your little world, but it doesn't in mine, and I guarantee it won't in any institutional setting. If I make a claim that I am or was a particular "thing" I had better be able to back it up, and that doesn't mean presenting a sob story, which is another fallacy, by the way, called appeal to emotion. How insulted would you be if I made the claim that I became an atheist after being sexually abused by a christian pastor, and then went on to write a hub that completely sidestepped the my "atheism" but only focused on my terrible experience? If I make a claim that being sexually abused by a christian pastor is what propelled me into atheism, I had better prove it, or else it is just a sob story. Do you see what I am saying. Aguasilver has made no connection between his alleged atheism and this horrible life that he lived. So claiming he was an atheist, in his hub, makes it sound like leading a bad life IS atheism. Yes, I am terribly offended because 1) from what he has written, I don't believe he was an atheist at all, 2) being an atheist does not entail "turning away from god," because when you finally accept that there is no god, which is what being an atheist is, there is nothing to turn away from.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Emma, c'mon now, Aguasilver is a hubber telling his story, not a surgeon preparing to operate.

      You are ATTACKING him, because YOU suspect he was NEVER an Atheist, and he says he is.

      You are calling him a liar....just because YOU suspect he may not be an atheist.....really?

      c'mon.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      So, CMerrit, basically you are saying that anyone that makes a claim should not be questioned any further. If someone says they are a doctor, for example, we should take their world for it. What a sad state we would be in if that is what we had resigned ourselves to. SO far, I see that I am the only rational person in this conversation.

      And aguasilver, your claim that you "were" a rational humanist contradicts what you say in your hub about leading such a messed up life since the age of 9. You couldn't have been too rational, therefore I find that claim to be false, as well, as per your own statements. I find you to be very irrational now, so I find it pointless to argue with you. You have yet to address the fallacies in your hub, but I have a hunch that you might not even know what a fallacy is, as per your previous comment where you ramble on and on about your faith, as any typical christian would, to avoid the hard issues. So, until you can remedy the fallacies, I really have no desire to speak to you as I cannot trust a single word you say.

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      John Harper 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Not at all, I simply recognised that MY efforts had not made me have any inner peace, a good time for sure, and I was one of the happiest sinners you would ever find, but inside.... empty.

      I do not lie, you can say whatever you like, but I stopped lying 20 years ago, when I stopped living a lie.

      From what you say it would seem you were involved in Churchianity, my pet hate, but a necessary evil in Gods plans, and I fully understand why you would reject it, and God in the process.

      I just rejected the whole thing earlier and without having the confusion cause by a religious upbringing, and as such, suffered no anguish at my decision.

      I do not regret my years of unbelief, indeed, in hindsight, they were years when God allowed me to stray and 'ignore' Him (totally) whilst I learned the ways of the world.

      You may (hopefully) live in a nice version of the world, I just did not, I came from working class folk who were decent and honest, but my environment was bad from the start, and I saw no evidence of God at that time.

      But God does have His hand on us even when we have rejected Him, and you may just be on a learning course, but again, you may just be an atheist and remain one.

      Let's check back in (say) five years and see how you are standing then.

      Meanwhile, thanks for the boost in my readings on the hub that started this, I only wrote it because atheistchick issued a challenge (rather like you did) and I responded.

      I took about ten minutes to dash it off, and perhaps I could have been more precise in my use of words, especially as I know from the forums that atheists look for any word or phrase they can turn against believers.

      Anyhow, have a good life and never be ashamed to say you were wrong, I was not, and life's just got better since I came into relationship with Christ, which is a different thing from just professing faith in Christianity.

      Enjoy.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      I find that anyone who considers themselves an atheist is an atheist. He's calling himself one. I might like to think he isn't simply because he seems like a rational human, but he insists he is, so now what?

      Your exact (well, almost exact) words three months ago from your own hub.

      https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Kenneth-M...

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Yeah, I already did. You claim to have been a rational humanist. I find that hard to swallow. But you are in essence claiming that you went from being rational to believing in myths. Seems like a step backwards, don't you think?

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      John Harper 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      I suggest you read your opening photo image top right of the article, and then rethink your appraisal.

      I rejected the notion of God at age 8, and did not revisit the notion until age 38, so I was probably (by your definition as posted top right) an atheist for longer than you have been alive, let alone in non belief.

      Dig as deep as you want to, the hole only gets bigger.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Well, thank you for asking CMerritt. If you look on my home page you will see a variety of hubs I have written denouncing the existence of god. Feel free to read them and draw your own conclusion. I also don't believe in Zeus, Ra, Thor (although he would be a really cool god if he were real), Cum Hau, Quetzalcoatl, and a number of other deities, but I take it that you don't believe in them, either, so I see no need to prove to you that I don't believe in them, either. Also, you can't prove a negative, sir, you can only conclude something from evidence or lack thereof. There is an overwhelming lack of evidence that aguasilver was an atheist, therefore I am concluding that he was not.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Emma, by all means question away. I did not mean to rattel your chains. It just seemed to me that you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

      Just for the sake of arguement....You just claim to be an atheist.....how do I know that you are just saying your are? Just because you say you are? Can you prove that you are an atheist? Sure, you can SAY you do not believe in any god, but....how do I know you are just not SAYING That?

      See how ridiculous that sounds? (quoting you from earlier)

      Hey, it IS your hub, and YOUR opinion, just as it was Aguasilver's opinion that he was an Atheist, but saw the light.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Oh, and I guess I will just have to take his word for it, since he provided no proof whatsoever that he was an atheist. Yeah, I should not question anything and just accept whatever crap people tell me. Oh, but then I wouldn't be an atheist, would I?

      I suppose if I made the claim that I am a christian who doesn't believe in god, you would just have to take my word for it, too. That's why I'm not a christian anymore, because too often someone like me who asks questions and demands proof is called names and pushed out to the periphery. I'll continue to ask, whether you like it or not.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      I guess we have to conclude that you know his heart and mind....and you somehow KNOW that he was ALWAYS a Christian. I guess there is nothing to discuss since you already KNOW his heart and mind. Therefore, his hub SUCKED! and furthermore he has no writing skills to do so. an abject failure.

      It seems like perhaps you are being sort of "judgemental" like us Christians are famous for being.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Perhaps I shall write a hub about being an actress, after all, I played the Virgin Mary in my kindergarden Christmas play, so that qualifies me, right? Or I should write it about being the Virgin Mary. See how ridiculous that sounds? A person can't make the claim that he was an atheist, simply because he led a bad life and according to him, turned away from god.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      CMerritt you couldn't possibly be more wrong. First of all, I understand that now he claims to be a christian. My point is that he always was one. Lack of belief in hell is NOT indicative of Atheism as there are many christians who do not believe in hell. And you say so yourself, that he "ignored" god, but he "knew" he was there. Sorry, that's not an atheist. And furthermore, one cannot make a claim then write a hub that completely ignores that claim, but sidesteps the issue. That is the strawman fallacy I was talking about. For all intents and purposes, he did a poor job of writing a hub. He started with the claim that he was going to answer atheistchick's question, but never does. FAIL.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      First of all, I am not speaking on behalf of aguasilver, this is just MY take on it….but you stated:

      “He merely relates the story of his childhood into adulthood, and how for most of his life he "ignored" god. How is this atheism?”

      At this time of his life, he is NO longer an atheist, he proudly proclaims to be a Christian now…he now knows that God is and has always been in his life. As he reflects back now, he realizes that he IGNORED Him (God). He knows that God WAS there. At the time

      He admitted that he was “never a militant atheist”, but he did say “the question of hell never bothered me as I did not believe it existed”. That is a strong belief and indicator of one being an atheist.

      The bottom line is this, he did NOT believe in God. He made a decision early in his life that there was NO God. He said as much. His hub did not take that route, rather he decided to tell of how he choose to accept that there IS a God.

      Finally, I think it is rather disingenuous of you to declare that he WAS a Christian, just a Lazy one.

      He Clearly DID question the existence of God….it was only THEN, he realized there perhaps WAS a God…and allowed the transformation his life to being the joyous person with peace that he now enjoys.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      I've already listed three, have you not been paying attention? And as for attacking beliefs, where do I make that claim? You are putting words in my mouth, sir. My claim is that aguasilver has made a fallacious claim by stating that he was once an atheist, as he has yet to provide any sort of evidence to support that claim. He is clearly using that as a scapegoat, for whatever reason. He clearly stated that he "ignored god." Ignoring a thing implies that it does indeed exist, so how was he an atheist when as my definitions state, an atheist is a person who denies the existence of god, not ignores it. An atheist, in fact, makes a very active and conscious choice to question god and his existence. Aguasilver has not written anything about that at all. All I see is a long sob story of how his life has been a mess. That has nothing to do with being an atheist. Why not claim he was a Muslim, or a Jew, for that matter, if all he's doing is scapegoating? He has clearly gotten it wrong.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Don't read his hub if you find it offensive. I found his hub to be particulary fascinating. Not ONCE did I think he was attacking anyone elses beliefs. All did was give a testimony of his own life and how he was led to change his beleifs.

      Name ONE example of fallacious garbage that YOU think, that is insulting to Atheists? He merely points out HIS own personal thoughts and did not declare anything.

      This is a very interesting hub, and voted that way.

      Chris

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Andrew, Dave and CMerritt, I appreciate your comments. If, however, you are so concerned with this perhaps you can help your friend clear up all of the fallacious garbage he posted in his hub. Thank you.

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      emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

      Aguasilver, there is absolutely no correlation between turning away from god, as you have stated, and being an atheist. Being a militant atheist has absolutely nothing to do with it. You have made several fallacies in your hub that need to be addressed. 1) You have oversimplified atheism into turning away from god. This is a black-and-white fallacy. Look it up. Basically, you are suggesting that because you have led a "bad" life, you were an atheist. WRONG. 2) You have committed a post hoc fallacy, meaning your claim that your "bad" life led to atheism. Wrong again. One has nothing to do with the other. Again, don't take my world for it, look it up. 3)Your claim is a straw man, meaning you are trying to prove that because you were an atheist as you claim, you had a bad life. Wrong again. The issue has never really been about you being an atheist, but about you leading a bad life. Trying to force them to go together only makes you look like a fool. As for my questioning god, yes, I was born and raised a Christian so I did lie awake many a night wondering about it. That's more than anyone can say about you. Shame on you for lumping all your bad luggage in with atheism, which you have clearly used as a scape goat. If you don't care to address any of the fallacies I have listed I will consider it as your silent defeat and conclude that you sir, are a liar. Good day.

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      Chris Merritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

      Just to butt in here, but he owes no one an apology in my opinion. He did not make it personal or name names.

      He gave he extremely honest opinion about HIS belief.

      I think YOU owe him one for making it personal. Using him as an example of what YOU deem as right or wrong.

      I am a very proud Christian...and I will NEVER put down anyone else for their beliefs. That is an extremely personal decision we ALL have to make. I will never apologize for MY belief...EVER.

      I have zero problems with any person who is kind and respectful...no mater what they believe in.

      You seem to be crossing that border of being kind and respectful to others, just because they don't THINK as you do.

      respectfully,

      Chris

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      Dave Mathews 5 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

      emmaspeaks: To the best of my knowledge, an Atheist is one who refused to acknowledge that there is a God; And one who refuses to believe that God is/was capable of creation and giving life. An Atheist believes that they themselves are responsible and in control of their life and their destiny.

      As an Atheist, You have chosen of your own free choice, not to believe that there is a God, a higher power. You have chosen to accept or believe that this God, is and was responsible for all of creation. This is your right, and this is your choice. You have deliberately chosen to believe that God plays no part in life, particularly in your life, thus believing that you and you alone are responsible for everything that happens, good or bad within your life, you are in total control. If this were truth in the slightest, if you are in complete control, then why do bad things happen in your life? Why can't you prevent the bad from happening?

      You choose to mock people like aguasilver for trying to make improvements in his life, through a God you have chosen not to know and not to acknowledge.

      Shame on you.

      I could offer proof after proof of God's existance and God's ability, but I will not do so, for I know you would scoff at the proof and only try to attack my beliefs my faith. I will not be ridiculed because of my faith.

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      Andrew Simoes 5 years ago

      Whenever I've talked about atheism to atheists, they always end up militantly defending their beliefs while taking potshots at Christianity. Is can become quite comical to see how steamed up they get.

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      John Harper 5 years ago from Malaga, Spain

      Well.... you also assume some things you have no knowledge of about me, but that is your prerogative, you are the author here.

      Like I said in my comments, this was a truncated version of my walk from not believing in God to faith, not a full blown exposition, just a postcard.

      By definition, having no faith or belief in God, made me an atheist, maybe not one you would consider seriously militant enough to warrant your definition, but one all the same.

      Lying awake at night wondering "Does god exist?" was and would be a futile exercise for someone who had decided He did not, but maybe I am too simplistic for your thinking.

      The recounting of my prior life errors was illustrative of why and how my own decision making process led me to ungodliness, not a suggestion that all atheists would be lacking morality.

      For you to have sleepless nights with that question, "Does god exist?" shows that at some point you had reason to think that He may exist, I was fortunate, my exposure to Churchianity was brief and ended at age 8, and my conclusion after that brief encounter was that it was crap, so no further anguish was required.

      No I have never been a 'hard core' atheist, no reason to be so, when I was in secular mode I had no desire or need to attack that which I had concluded was rubbish, so why should it bother me.

      In fact why should what Christians believe bother anyone who did not share that belief, except where they wee constricted by having Christianity imposed on them?

      Overall I think you have drawn some conclusions based upon your need to defend atheism, rather than facts concerning my journey from secularity to faith.

      But hey, it's your hub and I welcome the link, thanks, let the audience decide how radical one needs to be to be called an atheist.