Islam, is it a violent religion?

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  1. mishpat profile image61
    mishpatposted 10 years ago

    Two questions.  What is the word and sura that allows one to lie and not be held accountable for it.  #2 How does one know when the are not being lied to?

    1. colorfulone profile image79
      colorfuloneposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.
      Kitman - Lying by omission.

      Muslims are entitled to lie and "Allah is the best of schemers".
      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages … qiyya.aspx

  2. Trichakra profile image60
    Trichakraposted 8 years ago

    I don't think Islam is violent religion.

    1. colorfulone profile image79
      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Islam has been at war with the world for 1,400 years.  People who do not study history, other than what is tough in public schools, are unaware of the facts about Islam. 

      Islam has been the most violent religion in the world.

      1. arksys profile image78
        arksysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        why don't you educate us a little. give us some examples of the violent teachings.

        1. colorfulone profile image79
          colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I would recommend reading and listening to videos on Jihad Watch.  They are scholars on the topic. 

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/

          1. arksys profile image78
            arksysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            no thanks ... i want to hear your personal opinions. not some hate group with twisted interpretations.

            1. colorfulone profile image79
              colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Well, that isn't going to happen because I am very busy.  Do your own research and form your own opinions...oh, I guess you already have.  -  Peace!

              The Return of Terror and the Stubborn Incompetence of the Obama Administration
              http://aclj.org/national-security/the-r … nistration

              1. arksys profile image78
                arksysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I have formed mine and you have formed yours. I'm interested in your research and would like to know more whenever you have time, so we can figure out where we differ.

                1. colorfulone profile image79
                  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I have already figured that out by you responses.   Thanks!

  3. profile image49
    mahamyyposted 8 years ago

    Islam is the religion of PEACE..If anyone of you say that its violent then you are sadly mistaken. Our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) spent his entire life to bring peace in the world. And I am a believer of this fact that who so ever is spreading violence are not Muslims.

    1. dianetrotter profile image62
      dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I googled these. 

      Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

      Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

      Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

      1. colorfulone profile image79
        colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        God bless your heart in Jesus Name, Lord of lords & King of kings.

        I believe there are over 100 tenets in the Quran that promote violence that I read.

        William Jasper, author of "A New World Religion" describes the religion of the United Nations:

        "...a weird and diabolical convergence of New Age mysticism, pantheism, aboriginal animism atheism, communism, socialism, Luciferian occultism, apostate Christianity, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism, and Hinduism".

        Lucis Trust, formerly named Lucifer Trust by Alice Bailey 1922

        1. arksys profile image78
          arksysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          and how many did you find which promoted peace or doing good things like giving charity?

      2. arksys profile image78
        arksysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        @diane : those are parts of a story. did you read the verses before them and realize that they do not apply in this moment but only at that time it was happening?

        1. dianetrotter profile image62
          dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          No I just Googled.  I suppose that is similar to the Old Testament that was a historical account of things that happened.

          Are there any passages in the Quran that talk about loving all people?

          1. colorfulone profile image79
            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Its the last book (or whatever they call it) that many believe they are living in.  Its best to read a certified copy that isn't watered down.

            1. dianetrotter profile image62
              dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              You mean there is a "certified" copy?

              1. arksys profile image78
                arksysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                @diane : there are many false versions found on the internet ... www.quranexplorer.com  is a trusted site for translation.

                @colourfulone : you mean something like this?

                "Allah does not forbid you as regards those who did not fight you on account of faith, and did not expel you from your homes, that you do good to them, and deal justly with them. Surely Allah loves those who maintain justice. (8)"
                Quran [60:8]

            2. dianetrotter profile image62
              dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              So what is the relationship of the last book to the whole Quran.  Was there a reason for a change of heart?

              The Bible was written by many people; however, there are no conflicts in the Bible.  There are perceived conflicts especially when you lift a passage from the OT.  Example:  Adam and Eve had children and they married each other.  Many married their brothers and sisters.  That was done from Genesis to Leviticus 18.  In Leviticus 18 many relationships were forbidden and those who continued in the relationships were to be ostracized (not killed as Zakaria on CNN erroneously stated).

              So if there something in the Quran that declares that certain things be stopped?

              1. arksys profile image78
                arksysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                The Quran is the last book ... there are no other books after it. 

                There are many things which happened. It is difficult to explain everything, but racism was stopped, slavery was still in play but treatment to the slaves was improved. burial of live new born girls was stopped. alcohol was allowed but people were drunk when praying therefore was made forbidden. Carrion, Pork and Blood were also made forbidden which is one reason why we aim to drain the animals blood before consumption.

                if these are the types of things you are asking then i can give you quotes for them if you like.

                1. dianetrotter profile image62
                  dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  So no rare steaks?  Good for me because I like my meat almost well done - just not dry.
                  So who are the slaves?

                  1. arksys profile image78
                    arksysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    this is a better explanation of the social improvements...

                    "John Esposito sees Muhammad as a reformer who condemned practices of the pagan Arabs such as female infanticide, exploitation of the poor, usury, murder,[citation needed] false contracts, fornication, adultery, and theft.[12] He states that Muhammad's "insistence that each person was personally accountable not to tribal customary law but to an overriding divine law shook the very foundations of Arabian society... Muhammad proclaimed a sweeping program of religious and social reform that affected religious belief and practices, business contracts and practices, male-female and family relations".[13] Esposito holds that the Qur'an's reforms consist of "regulations or moral guidance that limit or redefine rather than prohibit or replace existing practices." He cites slavery and women's status as two examples.

                    According to some scholars, Muhammad's condemnation of infanticide was the key aspect of his attempts to raise the status of women.[6] Regarding the prevalence of this practice, we know it was "common enough among the pre-Islamic Arabs to be assigned a specific term, waʾd"[14] A much cited verse the Qur'an that addresses this practice is: "When the sun shall be darkened, when the stars shall be thrown down, when the mountains shall be set moving, when the pregnant camels shall be neglected, when the savage beasts shall be mustered, when the seas shall be set boiling, when the souls shall be coupled, when the buried infant shall be asked for what sin she was slain, when the scrolls shall be unrolled..."[Quran 81:1][6]"

                    SLAVERY:

                    "The Qur'an makes numerous references to slavery ([Quran 2:178], [Quran 16:75], [Quran 30:28]), regulating but thereby also implicitly accepting this already existing institution. Lewis states that Islam brought two major changes to ancient slavery which were to have far-reaching consequences. "One of these was the presumption of freedom; the other, the ban on the enslavement of free persons except in strictly defined circumstances," Lewis continues. The position of the Arabian slave was "enormously improved": the Arabian slave "was now no longer merely a chattel but was also a human being with a certain religious and hence a social status and with certain quasi-legal rights."[17]

                    Lewis states that in Muslim lands slaves had a certain legal status and had obligations as well as rights to the slave owner, an improvement over slavery in the ancient world.[17][18] Due to these reforms the practice of slavery in the Islamic empire represented a "vast improvement on that inherited from antiquity, from Rome, and from Byzantium."[17]

                    Although there are many common features between the institution of slavery in the Qur'an and that of neighboring cultures, however the Qur'anic institution had some unique new features.[19] According to Jonathan Brockopp, professor of History and Religious Studies, the idea of using alms for the manumission of slaves appears to be unique to the Qur'an (assuming the traditional interpretation of verses [Quran 2:177] and [Quran 9:60]). Similarly, the practice of freeing slaves in atonement for certain sins appears to be introduced by the Qur'an.[19] Brockopp adds that: "Other cultures limit a master's right to harm a slave but few exhort masters to treat their slaves kindly, and the placement of slaves in the same category as other weak members of society who deserve protection is unknown outside the Qur'an. The unique contribution of the Qur'an, then, is to be found in its emphasis on the place of slaves in society and society's responsibility toward the slave, perhaps the most progressive legislation on slavery in its time."[19]"

                    Source :  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_soc … nder_Islam

        2. Live to Learn profile image70
          Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Unfortunately with a text written by a guy long dead interpretation is wide open. It's great that you see it that way. It would be nice if all did. But someone who doesn't, and uses words in an old book as justification for modern atrocities, can easily claim your interpretation to be wrong.

          Any large and sprawling organized religion is presented with similar problems. And many times even when people disagree some tend to be tolerant of violence because they accept that it is open to interpretation and they fear they may be interpreting it wrong. I've seen it happen within christianity.

          When we look outside of ourselves for a moral compass sometimes south appears to be north.

          1. arksys profile image78
            arksysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            @Live to Learn :

            The majority of Muslims see it this way which is why you may note the ones causing havoc are only a fraction of the total. (ISIS was 0.000025% of the total population of Muslims)

            I believe the problem exists with any large crowd, it doesn't have to be a religious organization. For example, using false information Bush decided to go to war. America is a democracy and everyone wanted blood for blood. so they bombed the hell out of all the Muslim countries they could find. etc etc ... the point being, the people trusted the leader to be true and that is why they elected him in the first place. this puts him in a powerful position to manipulate the people.

            The same thing applies in religion, when there are huge masses of people you will see there are large quantities of uneducated people who just follow what the leader says without questioning. If the leader is corrupt, he will use and abuse them as we have seen. We have a kind of joke which is on the lines of... an arab goes to a tribal guy and asks where the toilet is, (speaking in arabic) ... the tribal hears the arabic and thinks he is speaking from the quran and just listens with a humble heart. the problem with some of the tribal region is that they have a culture of not questioning when an elder is speaking. It was also difficult for me to ask people questions because they get frustrated and shout at me (usually when they didn't have an answer).

            If we need to improve on anything it is literacy. once this problem is solved we can work on fixing our ego issues. We do have a lot of problems i can agree to that and some people are easily misguided. others are out for revenge for their lost ones when their homes were bombed. It will take a while for things to settle.

            1. Live to Learn profile image70
              Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Although ISIS isn't the only problem we are experiencing I get what you are saying. I hope you are right and that education is the key to stopping the violence.

              1. wilderness profile image75
                wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                It's going to be difficult to educate the population when half that population is denied education as a matter of religious tenets.

                1. Live to Learn profile image70
                  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  That does present a bit of a hurdle.

                2. arksys profile image78
                  arksysposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  The religion doesn't the culture does. More and more people are being forced out of their areas which in a way is a good thing. once they see how well others can cope with education things will change. but it will take a long time. The people in their late 50's and 60's from the tribal areas who work in the cities are not educated but are educating their boys and girls. At the moment they only really understand that education brings in more money with easier work which is their motivation. some also understand people are able to make wiser decisions when educated. I have met some very bright young ladies from those regions who were studying at Uni in environmental sciences. times are changing but its a time consuming and painstakingly slow process. I can assure you this much that it is happening.
                  Islam as a religion has never stopped anyone from educating oneself, and gender or race does not matter either.  In fact, even though it may not seem like it, we are encouraged to acquire knowledge.
                  sometimes we have to break certain culture habits, and although my sister is a Phd, my niece is the first in our extended family to travel abroad (to the UK) and live alone while studying for her masters in Psychology. I am very proud of her and even if she doesn't do well (she's a genius) she has opened up paths for the next generation of girls in our family.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image70
                    Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    I do have to point out that a percentage of the violence in the West, perpetrated by Islamic extremists, is done by well educated people. So I don't think a lack of education is the whole problem but I also don't think Islam is the driving force behind the move toward violence.I think, on some levels, it is used as not so much justification but hope that a higher power can understand the frustration that drove them to these acts. That there will be forgiveness, if not reward.

  4. profile image49
    Abhaypreet Singhposted 8 years ago

    Its really not the case that islam is a violent religion. According to me, no religion teach their followers to harm others or to be engaged in the terrorist attacks. It tells them to treat each and every other religion equally and respect them as well. Its not actually the religion that develops terrorism but its the mindset of the people that force them to do so. And just it is a fact that most of the islamic people are engaged in this thought process.

 
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