History Repeats Itself

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   bluebirdposted 10 years ago

   
   Because of their idolatry and Sabbath breaking, God allowed His people to be conquered and brought into captivity by the Assyrians in 721 BC. Then again, for the same reasons, they were also made slaves of the Babylonians in 604 BC.
   These sins are prevalent today everywhere and His chosen people have not stood out as an example, but followed along with the world in Sabbath breaking and idolatry. It is everywhere today.
   If God is the same yesterday, today and forever, would not judgment be forthcoming from God for the very same reasons they were judged in the past?  Since history is known to repeat itself, do you believe this will likely happen in this day and age or not?

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      Jeramiposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      No I don't think so.It is written that  In 538 BC God gave the Hebrew people one final ultimatum.                God gave them 70 weeks to quit sinning and to anoint the Most Holy. It stands to reason that this 70 weeks were completed before that Hebrew Nation ceased to exist, before each and every Hebrew citizen was carried off into slavery through out the rest of the Roman Empire leaving not a single Hebrew to be found in the Promised land.   
          At this point all of the promises and prophesy concerning the Hebrew Nation was fulfilled. 
         Then enters the Beast which rises up out of the sea.  His 42 months are not yet completed.  But when it is ???

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      Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I love this, Keep the Sabbath free, but you want someone working at the gas station, police station, fire hall, coffee shop, restaurant, airport or amusement park.

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         bstiltner77posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Rad man... You and I may be on polar opposites of the belief spectrum but I must admit... I totally get your comment. Well spoken.

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      Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Are you saying someone is going to enslave the Jews?

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         Motown2Chitownposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         That's kind of what I read into that too, Emile.

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   Jeramiposted 10 years ago

   Just seems to me that God might have gotten tired of punishing his people for following other gods and said OK  I've kept all of my promises.  I was just trying to help you make life on earth a better place for all of you.        I'll just let you follow your own gods for a while and let you see how well that works for you.  And in the end you will all come back to me.
          I didn't express myself very well ...  but kinda sorta.   ???

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      bluebirdposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You're right, in the end they will all come back to God, lessons learned.

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         Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         What does the priest or paster do when it's his job to work on Sunday?

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            Motown2Chitownposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            A priest/pastor isn't doing a "job."  He's fulfilling his vocation, which means something different in the Church than in the secular world.  That's the only thing that makes it different.
            
            

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               Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               He's doing what he gets paid to do. All the priest I know get paid, have a car, go on vacation, have a cook.

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  They get paid, yes.  Anywhere from 18K-31K per year, depending on their parish.  The bulk of their "work," however, happens during the week.  They get one "day off" during the week.  "Secular" priests, those whom are not a part of a religious order, keep their pay, can receive gifts, and inherit money.  "Religious" priests, those who are part of a religious order, can be paid, but they are allowed to keep only what is necessary for their living expenses.  Gifts and inheritances and excess money left after paying living expenses is given to their religious community.  That's the case even if they work in hospitals that accept payment from any sort of governmental entity.  For example, a priest/nun who is the administrator of a hospital will be paid the same amount as his/her secular counterpart.  However, that money is paid to their religious community.   
                  
                  I totally get what you're saying, and you know I don't argue with you.
                  
                  But there is so much debate as to whether Christians "keep a sabbath" that the point of one working on Sunday is kind of moot.  Early Jewish Christians kept one, certainly, and Jews today keep one, of course, but it all goes back to that ... argument, I guess, about whether or not Gentile Christians are held to obey OT law.
                  
                  

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   bluebirdposted 10 years ago

   But learned the hard way, through much suffering I'm afraid.

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   SpanStarposted 10 years ago

   The way your comments are written it takes on the idea that people are hopelessly locked into deviant behavior. History repeats itself not simply because it is man's nature but rather because man chooses or rather refuses to change.
   
   I also believe there is this misconception that being God's people they have a free get Out Of Hell card which is not so. God has called all people of the earth to accept his gift of Jesus the Christ in order to avoid the punishment which await all of us.
   
   Let's look Back at Adam and Eve who are both surrounded in a garden. I take the idea of being in a garden a place where there is a variety and numerous amount of food. Adam and Eve were given one task, One Task Only One "Don't Eat from That Tree over There-that's it! They didn't have to jump through hoops, go on a crusade  No! With all the food around them they just had to eat from the one tree in the entire garden they should've left a lone.

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      wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Don't you think they should have been given a "bye" on the little error?  After all, they didn't know right from wrong at the point.  They didn't know it was wrong to disobey God.

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         SpanStarposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Oh contrary-they were fully aware of what they were supposed to not do as well as knowing what the consequences would be if they disobey.
         
         Genesis 2:17
         
         But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
         
         What is your opinion on people who sell sensitive  government documents to our countries enemy? Should we just slapped him on the back and say hey we understand?

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            wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            You misunderstand.  They definitely knew that they had been told not to do it and they definitely knew the threatened results, although they did NOT know that threatened results would happen.  It is doubtful, for instance, that they knew what "die" meant in reference to themselves.
            
            But what I meant was that though they had received their orders, they didn't know it was wrong to disobey them.  They weren't in the position of the traitor selling documents where they had not only been threatened but knew it was wrong as well.  Good people don't base their actions on what they can get away with; they base actions on right and wrong.  Or at least that and rage.
            
            It just seems to me that they needed some education.  Education as to what punishment is (that was the first we know of), that it will be carried out and education teaching right from wrong.  We don't give our young ignorant children severe punishment until they have learned that; Adan and Eve should not have received it, either.

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               SpanStarposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               I am not of this mindset that Adam and Eve were mentally deficient were that the case I believe God would not have given Adam the job of naming all the animals on the planet.
               
               We do provide some leniency with children with respect to their behavior however if their behavior can result in a life-threatening situation such as pulling a knife on their siblings or carelessly operating a fire arm the parents threats should be more threatening and more severe.
               
               Whether or not we understand the consequences of our actions as children we do understand when our parents tell us to obey them. When for example my parent tells me don't sneak out and go to that party-whether I like it or not, whether I understand her reasons are not I know my job is to obey what she has commanded.

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                  wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Guess I didn't explain enough.
                  
                  A&E were not mentally deficient, they just had no knowledge of what was right and wrong.  That information was in what they ate and until that point they didn't have it.  Witness their immediate effort to clothe themselves for proof.
                  
                  Without that knowledge of right and wrong God's order meant nearly nothing.  At best, it meant "Don't get caught", and God really should have understood that simple fact.

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   psycheskinnerposted 10 years ago

   God seems to have allowed plenty of observant people to be conquered by those who were not.  In the New Zealand wars the British developed a strategy of attacking on a Sunday because if the Maori village were Christian they would be at church and so undefended.

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