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Spirituality vs Religiosity vs Science

  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    Spirituality "The term spirituality lacks a definitive definition, although social scientists have defined spirituality as the search for "the sacred," where "the sacred" is broadly defined as that which is set apart from the ordinary and worthy of veneration." Wikipedia

    Religiousness/Religiosity, in its broadest sense, is a comprehensive sociological term used to refer to the numerous aspects of religious activity, dedication, and belief (religious doctrine). Wikipedia

    Science: The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. Dictionary

    Are these three topics linked in some way/s
    Or not?

    1. janesix profile image61
      janesixposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I guess spirituality and science are both a kind of search for how/why the world works as it does, with science looking more to the how, and spirituality looking more to they why.

      Religion has a spiritual aspect, but without really asking the hard questions. It is mostly a social structure.

      Science and religion have nothing in common that I can think of at the moment.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
        Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        Yet they do.

        1. janesix profile image61
          janesixposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          Like what? Sometimes I am oblivious to the obvious:)

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
            Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Do you believe that Jesus was an avatar who essentially taught Karma Yoga? Do you believe that Yoga is science? Do you believe there is science behind all religion?
            I do.

            1. janesix profile image61
              janesixposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              Do you believe that Jesus was an avatar who essentially taught Karma Yoga? Possibly. I think I even wrote a thread on that once:) However, I'm not sure whether I actually believe in Jesus as an actual person, as it goes in the Bible. I think it's based either on the theory of Yoga itself(and then told as a story) or there WAS someone who had a kundalini/enlightenment experience and told it as a parable. I don't believe though, in "Jesus saves". I think we save ourselves, perhaps with the help of God. I believe WE become Christs.

              Do you believe that Yoga is science? Sort of. I think it is based on laws more fundamental than the material physical laws, although, of course, the process still has to conform to physical laws.

              Do you believe there is science behind all religion? Sort of, like the answer above. I believe all religions are based on the mysteries of creation/Yoga/kundalini.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
                Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                How does kundalini yoga work? What laws are illustrated whether physical or metaphysical. (Meta meaning *beyond*.)

                Science + spirituality + religion = reality. TWISI

                1. janesix profile image61
                  janesixposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  How does kundalini yoga work?

                  It seems to sort of follow the stages of alchemy. There is an "initiation", followed by a chaos where all of your junk is brought up and stirred around. You start questioning all of your beliefs on good/evil, right/wrong, societal structure, God, etc. There are physical aspects, electric feelings in the body, pain, elation, visions, synchronicity. Everyone's process is unique, but the basic qualities seem to be the same. If you make it past that, several "veils" are lifted, and you start wanting to be a better person, see things in a new light, see the oneness in all beings. You start to experience consciousness in a new manner. You form sort of a "top down" view of the world. At one point, a burst of energy rushes up your spine and into your head. Your brain and nervous system seem to get "rewired", and you start being guided by your right brain instead of the left.


                  What laws are illustrated whether physical or metaphysical. The law of octaves, duality, laws of association between numbers. I don't fully understand them yet, but I am getting new information every day. These underlying laws form the physical laws of the material universe.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                    cool. Do you believe we have free will to guide? I could bet a million bucks that you say yes.

    2. EncephaloiDead profile image59
      EncephaloiDeadposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Science deals with reality, the other two don't.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
        Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        That is the common belief. But, there is a higher understanding that comes with knowledge.

        1. EncephaloiDead profile image59
          EncephaloiDeadposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          That would be science, but not the other two.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
            Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            "Higher understanding awaits those with open minds." Fortune Cookie

            1. Righteous Atheist profile image60
              Righteous Atheistposted 4 years agoin reply to this

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              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
                Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                "Higher understanding comes to those who wish to understand themselves." Fortune Cookie

            2. EncephaloiDead profile image59
              EncephaloiDeadposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              That would make sense, you have to have an open mind with science and a closed mind with religion and spirituality. You can't allow facts to get in.

  2. janesix profile image61
    janesixposted 4 years ago

    Come on Kathryn, I want to hear YOUR take on spirituality:)

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      MY take is that we do have free will and that free will is the basis of politics, spirituality, religion, science and creation itself. Without  the liberty to exercise will power there is no joy. Without joy, there is no creating. Without creating, there is no life… That is all I really know. Ha Ha!

      1. janesix profile image61
        janesixposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        Have you ever had visions? Synchronicities? Physical symptoms like I talked about? I'm just wondering why you are interested in these things.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
          Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          I am surprised by your question. Isn't everyone interested? Doesn't everyone experience Synchronicities? Remind me as to physical symptoms. I thought it was the human condition to wonder about this stuff. Actually most people constantly think about God/Reality in some way or another. Look at that thread E.T.P. More than 5,000 posts so far! Probably won't end... all discussing God, our creator.

          1. janesix profile image61
            janesixposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Not many people I know. They all think I'm a crackpot. They are probably right.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
              Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              The difference between you and them is that you are in touch with your self.   Many people are afraid to go where you go with your consciousness. You are more tuned to your will, your curiosity, your creativity and your sense of awe… I mean from what I gather….It is the reward of going within.

              I see that the world and all of life is manifesting God, himself. God is the sky, God is dark matter, God is Jupiter, God is me. I am a small potion of God. God is light. God is energy. God is a mystery. God is science.

              1. janesix profile image61
                janesixposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                I agree that God is you, me and everything. But I only got there recently, after years of really really hard times. Going from a complete atheist to this has been an extreme shock to me.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, I am a recovered atheist too! LOL! It may be that until you are an atheist you will never get past the blind belief stage. Some do, however, get there through a natural sense of devotion instilled within them.
                  You must have pretty good Karma, would you say?

                  1. janesix profile image61
                    janesixposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                    I think it has to do with fully developing your left brain, reasoning/logic skills, before you are able to go back upwards, so to speak, and back to right brain consciousness.

          2. janesix profile image61
            janesixposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Physical symptoms: Electric shock feelings anywhere in your body. Mostly, like tiny threads of electricity shooting from one place to another. Automatic yoga positions (an urge to do yoga that seems to come from inside you) Pranayama, like the breathing takes over on it's own in specific rhythms. Pain in your nervous system and chakras. Eyes sometimes rolling back into your head during meditation. Feeling like air or water going up your spine. Other times, intense euphoria, feeling of love from god, feeling like cool water pouring into your head(and it feels like it's from God).

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
              Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

              As I said before a true Guru could help you. Sounds very amazing. I would say you were a healer in your last life. You are naturally in touch with spiritual forces within you.  (Sorry to sound like a fortune cookie.)

              1. janesix profile image61
                janesixposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                I can't even leave the house:)

                But I did finally at least find someone who sort of is my guide, after years of looking. On another website. Not really a guru, but his poetry speaks to me, and I feel like he's been where I'm headed.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Thats good. It is nice to find kindred souls so you don't feel like a "crack pot."
                  You are not, BTW.
                  Me either.

                  1. janesix profile image61
                    janesixposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                    Yes, it is nice:)

 
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