Spirituality vs Religiosity vs Science

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years ago

   Spirituality "The term spirituality lacks a definitive definition, although social scientists have defined spirituality as the search for "the sacred," where "the sacred" is broadly defined as that which is set apart from the ordinary and worthy of veneration." Wikipedia
   
   Religiousness/Religiosity, in its broadest sense, is a comprehensive sociological term used to refer to the numerous aspects of religious activity, dedication, and belief (religious doctrine). Wikipedia
   
   Science: The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. Dictionary
   
   Are these three topics linked in some way/s
   Or not?

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      janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I guess spirituality and science are both a kind of search for how/why the world works as it does, with science looking more to the how, and spirituality looking more to they why.
      
      Religion has a spiritual aspect, but without really asking the hard questions. It is mostly a social structure.
      
      Science and religion have nothing in common that I can think of at the moment.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Yet they do.

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            janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Like what? Sometimes I am oblivious to the obvious:)

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Do you believe that Jesus was an avatar who essentially taught Karma Yoga? Do you believe that Yoga is science? Do you believe there is science behind all religion?
               I do.

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                  janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Do you believe that Jesus was an avatar who essentially taught Karma Yoga? Possibly. I think I even wrote a thread on that once:) However, I'm not sure whether I actually believe in Jesus as an actual person, as it goes in the Bible. I think it's based either on the theory of Yoga itself(and then told as a story) or there WAS someone who had a kundalini/enlightenment experience and told it as a parable. I don't believe though, in "Jesus saves". I think we save ourselves, perhaps with the help of God. I believe WE become Christs.
                  
                  Do you believe that Yoga is science? Sort of. I think it is based on laws more fundamental than the material physical laws, although, of course, the process still has to conform to physical laws.
                  
                  Do you believe there is science behind all religion? Sort of, like the answer above. I believe all religions are based on the mysteries of creation/Yoga/kundalini.

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                     Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     How does kundalini yoga work? What laws are illustrated whether physical or metaphysical. (Meta meaning *beyond*.)
                     
                     Science + spirituality + religion = reality. TWISI

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                        janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        How does kundalini yoga work?
                        
                        It seems to sort of follow the stages of alchemy. There is an "initiation", followed by a chaos where all of your junk is brought up and stirred around. You start questioning all of your beliefs on good/evil, right/wrong, societal structure, God, etc. There are physical aspects, electric feelings in the body, pain, elation, visions, synchronicity. Everyone's process is unique, but the basic qualities seem to be the same. If you make it past that, several "veils" are lifted, and you start wanting to be a better person, see things in a new light, see the oneness in all beings. You start to experience consciousness in a new manner. You form sort of a "top down" view of the world. At one point, a burst of energy rushes up your spine and into your head. Your brain and nervous system seem to get "rewired", and you start being guided by your right brain instead of the left.
                        
                        
                        What laws are illustrated whether physical or metaphysical. The law of octaves, duality, laws of association between numbers. I don't fully understand them yet, but I am getting new information every day. These underlying laws form the physical laws of the material universe.

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                           Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           cool. Do you believe we have free will to guide? I could bet a million bucks that you say yes.

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                              janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              I am about 50/50 on whether or not we have free will.
                              
                              From personal experience, it seems that there is so much pointing towards predestination that it can't be ignored. However, there is also a HUGE sense that every step of the way there is a "push" for me to make a decision before I can move on to the next stage.
                              
                              Somehow, it seems to be BOTH. How can that be? I don't know. But how can a particle be a wave?

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                                 Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Hmmmm…. Can't have it both ways. I guess I loose a million virtual bucks.
                                 I gotta stop betting like that.

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      EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Science deals with reality, the other two don't.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         That is the common belief. But, there is a higher understanding that comes with knowledge.

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            EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            That would be science, but not the other two.

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               "Higher understanding awaits those with open minds." Fortune Cookie

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                  Righteous Atheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

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                     Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     "Higher understanding comes to those who wish to understand themselves." Fortune Cookie

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                  EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  That would make sense, you have to have an open mind with science and a closed mind with religion and spirituality. You can't allow facts to get in.

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   janesixposted 11 years ago

   Come on Kathryn, I want to hear YOUR take on spirituality:)

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      MY take is that we do have free will and that free will is the basis of politics, spirituality, religion, science and creation itself. Without  the liberty to exercise will power there is no joy. Without joy, there is no creating. Without creating, there is no life… That is all I really know. Ha Ha!

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         janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Have you ever had visions? Synchronicities? Physical symptoms like I talked about? I'm just wondering why you are interested in these things.

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I am surprised by your question. Isn't everyone interested? Doesn't everyone experience Synchronicities? Remind me as to physical symptoms. I thought it was the human condition to wonder about this stuff. Actually most people constantly think about God/Reality in some way or another. Look at that thread E.T.P. More than 5,000 posts so far! Probably won't end... all discussing God, our creator.

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               janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Not many people I know. They all think I'm a crackpot. They are probably right.

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  The difference between you and them is that you are in touch with your self.   Many people are afraid to go where you go with your consciousness. You are more tuned to your will, your curiosity, your creativity and your sense of awe… I mean from what I gather….It is the reward of going within.
                  
                  I see that the world and all of life is manifesting God, himself. God is the sky, God is dark matter, God is Jupiter, God is me. I am a small potion of God. God is light. God is energy. God is a mystery. God is science.

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                     janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     I agree that God is you, me and everything. But I only got there recently, after years of really really hard times. Going from a complete atheist to this has been an extreme shock to me.

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                        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, I am a recovered atheist too! LOL! It may be that until you are an atheist you will never get past the blind belief stage. Some do, however, get there through a natural sense of devotion instilled within them.
                        You must have pretty good Karma, would you say?

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                           janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           I think it has to do with fully developing your left brain, reasoning/logic skills, before you are able to go back upwards, so to speak, and back to right brain consciousness.

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                              Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Hey, I am about to get banned … It has been a blast talking to you so freely. I think I will ban myself for awhile. Janesix, I wish you the very best of life and love and tons of ENERGY. I am going to disappear for awhile of my own accord. BFN.

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                                 janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Well that sucks:( I hope you come back soon.

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               janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Physical symptoms: Electric shock feelings anywhere in your body. Mostly, like tiny threads of electricity shooting from one place to another. Automatic yoga positions (an urge to do yoga that seems to come from inside you) Pranayama, like the breathing takes over on it's own in specific rhythms. Pain in your nervous system and chakras. Eyes sometimes rolling back into your head during meditation. Feeling like air or water going up your spine. Other times, intense euphoria, feeling of love from god, feeling like cool water pouring into your head(and it feels like it's from God).

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  As I said before a true Guru could help you. Sounds very amazing. I would say you were a healer in your last life. You are naturally in touch with spiritual forces within you.  (Sorry to sound like a fortune cookie.)

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                     janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     I can't even leave the house:)
                     
                     But I did finally at least find someone who sort of is my guide, after years of looking. On another website. Not really a guru, but his poetry speaks to me, and I feel like he's been where I'm headed.

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                        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Thats good. It is nice to find kindred souls so you don't feel like a "crack pot."
                        You are not, BTW.
                        Me either.

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                           janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Yes, it is nice:)

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                              Kathryn L Hillposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              BFN

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