Maya, Yin and Yang

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janesixposted 10 years ago
"I've Always acknowledged Yin and Yang, Dark and Light. It is the nature of *Maya* don't you know"

I brought this discussion over from another thread, as it seem to be too off topic, but I still want to address the subject.
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  Jeramiposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Could it be that the differentiation between reality and illusion is but an illusion?
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think that?
  
  I would have trouble trying to wrap my head around something like that.
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  Jeramiposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry ... wasn't expecting an answer so quickly. went off checking out a hub. Do I believe that? Sometimes I do. Seems like everyone is asking that question. what is reality and then. according to who?
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  It does seem like a lot of people have different realities. I know my reality is different from a lot of people's.
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  Jeramiposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I think my reality is like no other. Half of it is of my own making and the other half happened from forces out side of my control. and yet. maybe i could have had more control than I did. but somehow my reality made me think I didn't.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I feel that way too. It's hard to tell how much, if any, free will I have. So, sometimes I just follow where I feel the Universe or God is leading me,and sometimes I become more involved and think "this is my life and I want complete control over it". Maybe you're talking about something different though, I'm not sure.
  
  Are you happy?
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  Jeramiposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Not as much as I would like to be. BUT ... unless I turn loose of some part of my criteria .. I guess I'm as happy as I can be under all of them circumstances. We really are prisoners of our own mind. The limitations we put upon ourselves. The reality that we perceive to be a part of, has equal controll over the decisions we are going to make. does that make sense?
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, I'm not sure what you mean. But, "reality" is a hard concept to describe in words, and then we all tend to interpret what other people say through our own biases and versions of reality:)
  
  lol...this isn't an easy subject to talk about.
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  Jeramiposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  It really isn't . Cause when we start thinking about this. ... we think about ways to explain our thoughts and sometimes ... it goes where our minds don't want to go. and ... every ones reality is unique in and of themselves while some common denominators are universally perceived, yet each is a little bit different. kinda like a mass hallucination. and because it is commonly perceived, (?) it recieves the "reality" ...... bumper sticker.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe. Scientifically (in my opinion) there seems to be a whole lot of "nothing there" when you pick apart how things work. I really think everything is just God's consciousness, with this created world separated bits that are "us".
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  Jeramiposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  like the synapses going off in our brains is a big bang with many creations banging into reality. Ok it is time for me to shut up now,,,,, as soon as I finish my margarita.
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janesixposted 10 years ago
I think that "Maya" means the "veils" of illusion.

Yin and yang, I don't see as good and evil. I don't think they are opposites.

I might see the symbol as like, "There is always a little bit of bad with the good, and always a little bit of good with the bad. Probably true, but I only see that as true down here, in the created world. I think that in the ocean of pure consciousness that is God, is completely good.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Could this world exist if it were not for illusion vs reality? what is reality? what is illusion? Where does life come from. Where does destruction and death come from? I got banned for a discussion regarding Yin and Yang. So, I might not partake any farther. Also, I was just accused of trying to enlighten and that I should just stop posting. I do not want to offend anyone.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  It's ok if you don't want to discuss this any further. That's weird how someone can get banned for discussing yin/yang. I think I've been banned unfairly once (the other few times I deserved it though).
  
  Still, I'd like to address your last response anyway.
  
  Could this world exist if it were not for illusion vs reality? I don't think so. I think the illusion is necessary. God can't be separate from himself if he knows about it.
  
  what is reality? what is illusion? This world is illusion. There is the illusion of seperateness, time, and form. Reality can be sensed more clearly the closer you get back to God. Pure reality would be God as a whole. Love, ONE, WHOLENESS
  
  Where does life come from. Where does destruction and death come from? Everything created has life. Everything is life. Death is an illusion.
  
  I don't claim to know these things, but they are my current beliefs. They've changed before;)
  
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Negative vs positive = acidic vs alkaline = yin and yang.
  Most poisons are acidic in nature. When you die from a poison your soul loses its body.
  That is the reality of destruction.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Are you speaking in metaphor?
  
  I think destruction is a tearing apart of harmony.
  
  Death is not destruction, but a natural biological process. A way to either reincarnate, or go back to the source.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No, this is science! Things that literally kill us are literally negative in nature. Positive balanced with negative promotes life. Think about the blood stream. It must have the right ph. Too much sugar (acidic in nature because it is yin) throws off the balance in the blood stream. Think about how hard pool-men work to keep the water properly ph balanced: adding acid, checking the levels constantly.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  What are you saying that's bannable? Nothing I can see. We're just hanging out and talking philosophy.
  
  I don't think everything that kills us is negative. Like old age, that's just nature. Most things are negative though, like getting hit by a car or something.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  What kills us? A lack of yang force, in the end. Yang is positive in nature. (I got banned because I started relating it to male and female. oh yeah, also to the functioning of the sun… which, it turns out, that I was right… There IS yin and yang force in the sun. I wonder if I could find that link. I would be interested to see what you thought about it.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  That's interesting. Will you describe how you think the yin/yang forces work?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  It is the basis of Yin and Yang
  Acid = Yin = feminine = ( - )
  Alkaline = Yang = masculine = ( + )
  It is the principle of dualistic monism.
  "The two forces of yin and yang are always opposite and antagonistic, and yet at the same time they are complimentary, for they are forever combining and cooperating, both within the body and without."
  Yin is the force of expansion, air, trees, flowers…
  Yang is the force of contraction, denseness, heaviness…salt is contracting in nature.
  Yang is Energy, Activity. Sun. Day
  Yin is slowing down, relaxing. Moon. Night
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  When you look at the yin yang symbol, you see the little opposite colored dot on each side. What does that represent to you?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  The intermingling of the two forces and the balance required in all nature.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, me too.
  
  Humans haven't reached this balance yet though.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Q.How can they?
  A.Meditation. Becoming one with God
  (The atheists are not favorable to this concept of Yin and Yang and yet to me, it is the basis of electricity and energy. They just hated me relating it to stars in the sky. LOL)
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. We have to become one with God. (EDIT: yes, through meditation)
  
  How do you relate it to the stars? I relate it to the solar system.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Helium and hydrogen. Notice they are the first two elements on the periodic table? It was hydrogen first and then helium. This can be checked in the internet. It was verified to me that there are opposing forces churning, burning… very dynamic forces. somthing keeps them together… gravity is involved…But we have to be careful. There is more in science not explained then actually explained. No matter how hard they try, not everything can be explained. Dark matter is one.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean something like hydrogen is yin and helium yang? (or vice versa). I think it may go even deeper than that. I've been trying to break down physics to where it can't be broken down anymore. I think I'm coming to the conclusion that Energy is the Yang (active, animating, positive), and Fields are the Yin (passive, receptive, formative, negative). And then all the interactions between the two create life, death, the material world. Everything.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. I mean I would go along with that… why not?
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  Jeramiposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  All of reality ends when we get hit by a car, and when we go to sleep at night ..... which I'm getting ready to do. as soon as I finish my pepper jack cheese and bacon cassadia and frozen margarita.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, good night:)
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe. But that's just our bodies, not our souls (and I think there is only ONE soul in reality, and that's the Universal soul/God)
  
  I think that we have a limited lifespan for a reason. We are here to experience life, but also to learn how to be good people, so that we can eventually return back to the source. We learn how to be separate, yet treat each other with compassion. Living forever would defeat the purpose.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I have heard that We are Negative and God is Positive. Not psychologically… physically, in nature. That's what I heard. (You can see how this gets tricky.)
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  This is the way I see it (sort of, it's just a model I came up with for visual interpretation)
  
  Imagine God is a giant rubber band. This whole rubber band is Good. Pinch off a piece of it,and tie it off. That pinched off piece is the created, material world,and everything in it, including us. So, every bit of it is part of god,and has some of the goodness of God. Stretch out the piece of created world,and the farther you get away from the larger piece, the less good there is. But this can stretch back and become part of the whole again.
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janesixposted 10 years ago
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~dfabricant … pole-s.jpg

The universe

Yin and yang
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janesixposted 10 years ago
This is how I relate the Universe to the chakras.

Once a piece of the source is tied off, so to speak, the tied off part is the created world. There are seven chakras, which are different levels of consciousness. These 7 chakras are "folded up", and descend downward to more and more material stages of creation (although all really exist at once, we all just occupy different levels) They are folded in half, with chakras 1 and 7 touching the source, but still separated from it. Lover down are chakras 2 and 6, then 3 and 5. Finally, the fourth chakra is the material world most people live in. During creation of a soul, we descend down through the chakras, I 2 and 3, until we reach maturity, and are living in the final stage of the created world.

That's why most people have such problems, only their lower three chakras are opened. If you can open your fourth, heart chakra, this is the beginning of the road back up towards God. You have to then ascend upwards, through chakras 5 6 and 7, each one having to be unlocked or untied to get to the next. At the seventh, you are still a created being, yet still not at the source. This is enlightenment, or Christ Consciousness. After that, is anyone's guess. I guess, either going back to the source, or a new entire "octave" of being begins.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  This is close to what I have learned too.
  So, yes. the fourth chakra is green. People here are very service oriented. At the fifth level, blue, (Throat chakra) people are very devotional and then purple: third eye = sixth chakra…pretty much a saint...
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I've seen it:) That's pretty much what I think too.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years ago
Nice chatting about all this. It is so fascinating and real to me. BFN
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janesixposted 10 years ago
I've opened my fourth and fifth, although I think I still spend most of my time "down here" as I still have many, many internal issues to resolve. I thought at one point God had opened all of my chakras, but maybe they were just kind of "activated" in some way. They are not all open, I know that now. I've had short-term glimpses into the sixth. Never the seventh though. I'm kind of even afraid to go there though. Maybe that's why I haven't yet. That's the realm of duality and identity, ego I guess. Maybe I'm afraid to see what's really there. Not that I'm afraid to see into the nature of myself, I'm just afraid that it will be so strange I might not be able to deal with that. (that level of consciousness I mean)
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EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years ago
Interesting article about energy:

Or ‘How to be debunked by a nine year old schoolgirl’

"The crank is easy to tell from the quack: the crank seeks ‘free’ energy, the quack seeks ‘healing’ energy. The crank seeks an endless supply of useful energy from spinning rotors and magnets; the quack seeks an infinite source of healing energy from spinning arms and language.

Quack Energy has many different forms, or manifestations, depending on the particular field of woo being considered, Quack Energy has explanatory roles in Reiki, QiGong, Touch Therapy, Biofield Therapy, Acupuncture, Homeopathy and just about any other ‘discipline’ where science suggests the technique ought to be nonsense. Quack Energy is used to corrupt and subvert logic. I

The names for Quack Energy are legion: Mana, Energy, Qi, Aura, Chi, Ki and so. In debating with woos, I like to lump them altogether as MEQUACK.

MEQUACK flows around our body in someway and can get blocked, or disrupted, causing illness. Sometimes the energy uses some sort of MEQUACK channel in the body, like a meridian, or is centred in special places in the body, like a Chakra."

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2006/10 … nergy.html
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  lol...That's pretty cute. But what kind of nut sees the energy as neither "free" nor "healing"? Would that be a Qwerk? Or maybe a Quark?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  - neither, just a Quarreler, otherwise known as a naysayer.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I don't see energy as free or healing. Although I could be wrong. I see it as too tied up and divided in it's aspects to be "free". I think it can only be free at the source, but not here in the created world. As for healing, I could be VERY wrong on that. What do you think?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  (BTW The seventh is beyond duality.)
  Jesus was a master healer. What do you think He used to heal? Matter? No, the essence of what is beyond (and what makes up) matter.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know much about the seventh chakra, not from experience anyway. I only had one experience with it so far. But not as a state of consciousness. Haven't been there yet. Have you? What chakra level are you at(or the state of consciousness at that level)
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  green toward blue
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Is that 4th towards the fifth chakra? Heart to throat?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  service toward devotion
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janesixposted 10 years ago
From my chart:

Saturn's in Gemini, I think the 7th house.

12th house, Capricorn, with something that says N. node.

I'm just learning now, so I'm not sure what anything means.

I know I have a pretty looking trine in Taurus-Gemini-Virgo
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Positive traits:. You are patient and intelligent.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Trouble obtaining an education? Yes, but by my own fault, there was plenty of opportunity
  
  I've always been lonely, but surrounded by people I love and who love me. Weird.
  
  I am musically illiterate, but then, I've never tried.
  
  me? Sarcastic? never! I am naturally sarcastic, trying to get rid of that fault.
  
  the last two...I don't know.
  
  Thanks, I love readings:)
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  What planet is in Capricorn in the twelfth house?
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I hate traveling. I get lost and it's uncomfortable. I'm easily confused when surrounded by a lot of people. I don't leave the house much.
  
  I've been thinking about getting a keyboard of some kind for a while now, but lack the funds. I might try the thrift stores though.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  yes! I see them all the time for cheap there. Get one with good base tones. Play around with base chords. The melody surrounds and is based on them.
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Sometimes, but I need a new pair.
  
  My turn.
  
  Your favorite color is aqua
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  good guess, very strong color in my life… favorite is magenta!
  PS based on year: You have Neptune in Sagittarius influencing higher learning, philosophy and freedom.
  Pluto and Uranus in Libra emphasizing harmony and luck through unusual relationships. According to book you "make a memorable first impression."
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  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure which house is which. On my chart, there is an arrow that points upwards. I counted to the right seven spaces till I got to Saturn.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  An astrological reading can help anyone. However, It is not something set in stone. It shows tendencies. Free will can change anything. It best to focus on that.
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