It is about degrees of truth and find Religion has only little truth that can apply to me today. Mankind has become far more advance than highlights from the Bronze age. We may point out many negative from living in today society. To live in the Bronze age would be like living in hell compared to today.
One may like to say that scientific method is the art of observing analytically the data in an effort to reconcile the problem in hand with the master nature. Religion is to fear lest one wrongs somebody unaware. For the beginnings of civilization it was Art first. Philosophy is to doubt only if a valid anomaly is observed else one has some abnormality that needs to be corrected.
In the beginning of civilization art and philosophy rub shoulders. The most solid evidence of civilization is art going back 100,000 years and longer. Religion had it's boom about 5,000 years ago. I think science is the most recent boom in the turn of human history of events.
Science evolved out of religion. All scientists were either priests or monks for thousands of years. Even now (after an historically brief time of some atheism) scientists are once again turning to God. Science is firmly rooted in religion. Read up about the history of science. PS that goes doubly with all philosophy as well.
I agree with one. Mathematics is the mother of science, and philosophy is the mother of Mathematics. Religion never interferes with science or any secular discipline as these are all in the domain of temporal, material and physical. Religion is about ethical, moral and spiritual domains and is concerned with the life in hereafter. There is no conflict in secular disciplines or disciplines of science and between the religion. No prophet/messenger of G-d or founder of truthful religion spoke against science or scientists. Please
No, science did not evolve out of religion. Coming after religion does not mean coming out of it.
Nor were scientists priests for thousands of years: science itself has not existed for thousands of years.
Scientists are not turning to god as a group or even as individuals...in matters of science. Personal beliefs, yes, but science.
So science is not rooted at all in religion, let alone firmly. Attempts to make religion sound more "professional" by throwing in the term "science" or saying that science is religion or vice versa are futile. The two have a world of difference between them.
I disagree that "science is rooted in religion." It seems that until human beings were willing to question, explore, discover, accept honestly what they saw and experienced, scientific research could not progress and, hence, ignorance persisted.
Can the scientific method be used for religion, philosophy and spirituality? A.) Religion: Religion is presented as results that are aligned with a previously constructed hypothesis. B.) Philosophy: Philosophy is dependent on the scientific method in that hypothesis must be backed up by what is verifiably true on a universal level. C.) Spirituality If the scientific method can be used for what is visible and concrete, It can also be used for what is invisible and non-concrete. Example: Question: How do you perceive what exists on an i n v i s i b l e level? Background search: God is known as a spirit being according to the Bible. Hypothesis: It is well known that humans have a sixth sense, as animals do. Since God is spirit, God can be perceived/sensed with the sixth sense of extra-sensory perception. Experimentation: One first must discover through use/practice if this sixth sense is real. Results: God is directly perceived according to individual motivation and ability to intuit God.
The scientific method requires that observations and experiments be repeatable by others. It also requires that others do those experiments and make those observations (called peer review) before a hypothesis is considered factual.
No, the imagined "sixth sense" cannot be used as there IS no such thing.
So no, the scientific method cannot be used in either religion or philosophy as neither uses experimentation or observation that can be reproduced by anyone else.
I disagree. Others can certainly get on their knees and humbly pray and have the same experience. Also Godel's Incompleteness Theorem proves that all scientific results are imperfect and lead to further questions, forever. Hawking has a free online essay defending Godel's Incompleteness Theorem.
"Others can certainly get on their knees and humbly pray and have the same experience."
Ah, but they don't. They get a different message entirely much of the time.The original "experience" thus cannot be verified.
Yes, yes. I know. Always back to Godel and his incorrect assumptions. Should you ever bother to actually read and understand his work you will see that as well as anyone else. Tell me - what has Hawking and others had to say about the axioms Godel uses to form his conclusions with? Not his logic - his axioms?
Stop limiting your knowledge to a stereotype of religion as right wing fundamentalists from the back woods. There are many religions out there. Have a look at some Indigenous religions for example from South America or the atheist's favorite religion Buddhism or Hinduism. Go read some books.
My brother is a pastor and I have been to 100 countries. Also build some museum human history displays. That gives me a little more heads up about Religion than most people.
Was just last speaking about OT and NT. Where half of Americans don't know what book is older. Along with thinking the earth is less than 10,000 years old.
Indigenous people speak of creators , not God. Based on nature, not a set of impossible rules to follow. Taoism is based on nature also, nature is my Religion too. Supernatural God belongs in the same category as Hollywood super hero's.
Atheist can except Buddhism, where Hinduism has 30 million too many Gods for them..
In some cultures, Buddhism has become their religion, displaying so many rituals, ceremonies, chanting, etc. All fine, in those cultures, because it seems to satisfy their cravings for certainty and stability.
But the Buddhist Way transcends religion, totally. It's a personal, inward exploration, appropriate for anyone, regardless of religious leanings or philosophy. Oz, you might care to try it. Vipassana is a good starting point.
Ok Bro. Since you have been experiencing various forms of the Buddhist Religion it seems you have yet to try the Buddhist Way - (8-fold path). As I understand it, that perpetual seeking is what you get on the Outward journey. Better to try the Inward journey. But don't take my word for it. Your Llfe is your life.
The Hindus believe we are all God hence there are now 6 billion plus. If you have such experiences simply stop limiting your comments to a stereotype of right wing Christian and your comments will be wiser. Why refer stereotypes if you have greater knowledge? Use your knowledge.
There is a left wing Christians, if two wings never come together your lost in space.
If sons of God are Giants, then you have 7 headed dragon in hell, talking snake and donkey, virgin birth, and bald headed priest who shreds children to death by a grizzly bear. You got nightmares, not world common knowledge.
It's Godel's "Incompleteness Theorem " not his God theorem. Hawking as I've said is supportive of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. Godel has many theorems one of which recently proved time travel. Because I read and study I'm aware. Try it one day.
"Also Godel's Incompleteness Theorem proves that all scientific results are imperfect and lead to further questions, forever"
"The first incompleteness theorem states that no consistent system of axioms whose theorems can be listed by an effective procedure (i.e., an algorithm) is capable of proving all truths about the arithmetic of the natural numbers. For any such formal system, there will always be statements about the natural numbers that are true, but that are unprovable within the system."
You don't see a small difference in the two statements (one from you and one from wikipedia)? As in one deals ony with arithmetic and one with all possible scientific discoveries? Oz, you really, really, need to read better!
I can not imagine anything more closed minded than a book making statements like it is the book of Universal truth and knowledge. Plus the creator of the Universe and if you don't ultimately love me (Yahweh)
If you don't love Yahweh with all your heart, you know where you are going.
I can: not studying stuff. "Seperate the chaff from the grain" as the saying goes. Yes jws and those who preach intolerance need to be seen in context. That's what study is. If we limit our studies to intolerant right wingers then that's what we'll see.
I respect and except all people and their group. Yet never will be able to understand Religion, war, hell, and environmental destruction. Plus interferences in what people put into our body and adult sexual affairs.
It takes a Religious person to over focus on those things.
Science of itself does not present claims and reasons on issues; others interpret it wrongly; it is a useful tool of the humanity ; and if interpreted correctly it is not in contradiction of the truthful religion.
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