"...call those things that be not as if they were." (Romans 4:17) Is this "tool" available to all?
Is this active Faith statement (of Romans 4:17) available to secularists, naturalists, Christians, or anyone? In other words, is this a built in "something" that all individuals have at their disposal to use as they wish? Even more specifically, is "calling that which we wish for" a subconscious power we all have? (Think Joseph Murphy) Or am I taking this verse out of context, in that God was speaking of his having raised the dead and given Abraham and Sarah a son in their old age?
I could use some thoughts and/or clarification on this one.
No, I don't think it's a tool really. For sure it's not available to secularists and nonbelievers, because it's a promise for those who do believe in God. And I say it's not a tool for even Christians, because a tool is something we can take out and use at will, by our own power. It's talking about Faith in the God who DID and DOES and CAN STILL call "those things that be not as though they were". It's God who does that, not us. If you'll read that Scripture in depth, you'll see that it plainly says it's God who does that, not us (that is, if you have a correct version of the Bible). Many "name-it-claim-it" preachers use that passage incorrectly (some of them realize it, some don't). The mention of Abraham and Sarah shows that God knows past, present, and future (unlike humans), and that we should have Faith in Him and depend on His promises, as Abraham did in the finality of it. Abraham's Faith was counted as "righteousness". But for sure it didn't mean he had the power to call anything into being.
I dunno who Joseph Murphy is that you mentioned, but if he's trying to say everyone has some power to "channel" God or play God or use God as some kind of magic genie, or even if he thinks our subconscious is as powerful as God, then......he's sadly mistaken.
A good translation of this verse to help you understand it better is the Amplified version. It says: "As is written, I have made you the father of many nations. [He was appointed our father] in the sight of God in Whom he believed, Who gives life to the dead and speaks of the nonexistent things that [He has foretold and promised] as if they [already] existed."
Is this power at any Christians disposal? Well, I have yet to meet anyone, other than perhaps a doctor who can give life to the dead and certainly nobody with an ability to speak of things that do not yet exist that are bound to exist in the near future save for the prophets in scripture. Paul does speak of the gift of prophecy, but that's not what he is referring to here.
It's not about us calling out what we wish for, though certainly scripture says that whatsoever you ask in the name of Christ it shall be given to you (the catch being it must be according to the will of our Father). What Paul was referring to was Abraham's trust in God that He would make good on what He promised (what did not yet exist, but would soon come into being) despite the odds (the age of both himself and Sarah for starters). It was because of his faith, not an adherence to the Law that Abraham would be the father of many nations (verse 13).
Hi renegadetory. I especially appreciate your last sentence. That is where I get tripped up - Law versus faith. Now I am beginning to see how I have made things needlessly complicated...by focusing on myself, as if I am required to be god...
We can only be made perfect (complete) by relying on and looking constantly to our Savior and Heavenly Father not by something we can do all on our own
43 `Ye heard that it was said: Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and shalt hate thine enemy;
44 but I -- I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those cursing you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those accusing you falsely, and persecuting you,
45 that ye may be sons of your Father in the heavens, because His sun He doth cause to rise on evil and good, and He doth send rain on righteous and unrighteous.
46 `For, if ye may love those loving you, what reward have ye? do not also the tax-gatherers the same?
47 and if ye may salute your brethren only, what do ye abundant? do not also the tax-gatherers so?
48 ye shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who [is] in the heavens is perfect.
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