Well from what I read the stories from the different disciples do differ a bit but mean the same. I do not think that God would let anyone add or take away from this book, or even allow it to be found if it was a fraud.
However could it be just these men that wrote it then planted it themselves, some may think so but myself I say its the true word of God.
Like anything and any time there is a bunch of people watching and listening to the same thing, they will have the same story with a bit of information added to it.
We played this game when I was younger, quite a few of us would sit in a circle and the first person would whisper a sentence until it got to the end. The sentence never ever came out duplicated. So I do not think anything was different back then, except that the power of the Holy Spirit intervened.
Then you are saying it isn't the word of a god but the words of men that you believe wouldn't be allowed to be wrong? But every version of holly book is filled with contradictions within and between versions all I assume approved by the same god...
@Laurie So it's true just because you choose to believe it? Even though you see the disparities, you choose to suspend your own intellect, in lieu of ancient absurdities, written, most likely, by deceitful humans, invoking childish magic.
I'm a Muslim and the bible was from God but as everybody said, there is a lot of changing in it ,people add and subtract from the Bible, I advice u all to read about Islam and Quran. Thank you very much
Rayne, how would you know God or essence ? By reading book/s or chanting words, if this be true, all the priests would have been in the embrace of God. You know this has not happened ? Just ponder over it, why ? Like butter in milk, gather essence.
The base answer is you can't prove that it's from the hand of god. It says it is - but many books have claimed that over millenniums and for the most part, believers of one particular religion have no problem dismissing the claims of other religions and their holy books.
Even the biblical god never once ordered his followers to create a book of "his word". When you start studying how the books of the New Testament were canonized and compiled, the books that were discarded and why and the history of the early church, the problems compound upon themselves. The books of the NT were basically compiled by popular vote, and other books were deemed heretical and discarded/destroyed.
Using the Bible itself to prove that the Bible is divine is the base definition of circular logic, and if that's to be followed, then the same should be apply to any other book that claims to be divine or divinely inspired - otherwise you run the risk of special pleading.
Additionally, when you factor in that biblical scholars CAN determine that things were added to the bible much later (for example, the story in the gospel of the woman caught in adultery which even states in the footnotes that it was not part of the earliest manuscripts) it becomes quite clear that things HAVE been added to the text. We don't know what's been deleted because we have NO original manuscripts, and in a lot of cases, we don't even know who wrote them. The names of the gospels, for example, were added centuries later due to "tradition" not due to legitimate authorship - and it's by tradition that even two of the gospels are thought to be written by disciples. They themselves don't make that claim.
You appear to be bent on proclaiming logic - so, using your limited logic - which came first, the chicken or the egg? Man has written in the Bible that it was the chicken, but I would guess that your logic will attempt to prove this to be wrong.
tbHistorian; you also have the contradictions within all holly books and the variance between versions, old testament, new testament, Koran, book of Mormon, etc. Were they written by a god they would all tell the same stories the same way. Fiction
As usual, the naysayers attack through fallacy because they cannot provide truth. Variants in the teachings were introduced through each subsequent society as knowledge and wisdom expanded. However, naysayers never achieve knowledge and wisdom.
A wise man once said 'The only thing a document proves is it's own existence, anyone can write anything they want.' So when asking for proof make sure you brought yours. Blind faith is what causes wars 'If God is on both sides there can be no peace'
Yes, a disbelief. A lack of belief until something can be proven true. Only hard atheists make the claim that there is no God. Don't assume what kind of atheist you're talking to. It would be like assuming all Christians are Catholic.
While the folly of the disbeliever continues to rant and rave, the righteous arrive at a peaceful place where righteousness springs love all around. The Bible is the word of God because it invokes righteous and love, not the evil that naysayers do.
Man was created in God's image by the Father. Jesus walked the earth to spread the word of the Father. Man wrote the words as instructed by the Father. Man spreads God's word through the ages as outlined by the Father. God is presented through moral spiritual activity interactively operating through man. The question therefore, is not - "how do we prove it's the word of God?" - But - "Can anyone prove that it is not the word of God?" Those who have eliminated fear from their lives know that it is the word of God.
When evil attacks it comes as human versus human. The Father expects his followers to eradicate evil amongst men. Those who follow the teachings strive to eliminate evil. But those that support evil continue to strongly oppose that attempt.
Brother, it is not the word but your perception of the word that anoints the word as word of God. Believe me, you keep pondering over any word even if spoken by the worst among us humans, when you perceive it all,then it is a word of God.
"Those who have eliminated fear from their lives know that it is the word of God. " Fear itself is the inherent factor in that god of your beliefs. Without the fear neither your god, nor your satan, has any power whatsoever.
Johnneycomelately,, you are right. For a minute ,assume that you are an immortal and and you will not die ever. In that very minute, there will be no God for such a man. Most of us seek God out of fear , very rare seek Him out of love or curiosity.
I have walked the path of righteousness where fear is never felt. Even when confronted by evil, fear was never present. As one who walks with God, I actively spread the word of God in every situation. This can never be removed by evil lies.
God if it is God cannot say that one should believe Him blindly. As He uses his infinite intellect in creation, He expects us to use our finite one in a similar manner and find the truth of everything. If not , we must shun such God off our mind far.
You cannot prove it is the word of God. You can only assume it was written by men who were inspired by their personal notions and ideas of God. But God is unknowable. No one can write the actual words of God.
But, you cannot prove that it is not the word of God. God is knowable through the Spirit of righteousness. Everyone can write the actual words of God when they exchange beliefs with God. Moral righteousness brings the individual to the inner spirit.
All scripture and spiritual writings (books by New Age channelers, the Hindu Upanishads, etc.) are people who believe they are exchanging beliefs w/ their Gods and inspired by that God's word. Since we can't prove they're not, we should accept all?
The proof is in the actions of those that follow the teachings as written in the Bible by men who spread the word as disciples. Each individual must choose their path wisely so that they do not wander into the evil realm. Those with faith walk truth
yes, dear, assuming that behind the whole creation, there is a great creator or creators, can a man design a seed which can grow into a plant and produce a single flower ? insisting on something to be entirely true or entirely wrong does not help ?
Talking snakes, scientific errors, contradictions, multiple conflicting interpretations, lack of historic evidence to back up some claims... I think the ship has kind of sailed on proving it the word of God.
People who are going to believe it is the word of God are going to do so for spiritual/personal reasons, and ignore the evidence that it's too flawed to be the word of a God. There's nothing wrong with finding spiritual inspiration in a religious text; trying to prove it the infallible and inerrant literal word of an omnipotent being is what is going to bring the beginning of the end of Christianity.
Truth can be frightening to people who find it's not what they thought it was. Someone hangs their faith on scripture being inerrant and finds out it's not is more likely to have a crisis of faith than the person who hangs their faith on their God.
I have been so interested in the mindset of those who do not believe biblical text. I have been thoroughly enlightened. Proof that it is valid lies solely within. The text cannot be believed without faith in it. Just as any other historical text.
Not true Cgemaea Other historical texts must be proven to be true or they are discarded readily. Only the bible survives in the absence of any hard evidence to back it up. And as a historical document it is very limited due to heavy editing over time
So sorry - So ignorant - So shameful - So wrong Righteousness abounds through the word of God. With this comes great wisdom and inspiration that spawns innovation. Those that spread the word of God preserve a loving spirit. God blesses those.
For those who truthfully recognize the Bible as the Works of God, there is no reason to prove it is the Word of God. It is only the naysayer that requires proof, because they wish to justify their sins and corrupt others with their folly.
You're taking the talking serpent too literal. It stood for the devil. And about him eating dust and crawling on his belly meant he could never rise to salvation. His chances were over. Before you say the Bible is not real try understanding it.
No, it cannot be proven. This is where "Faith" comes into play. There is no way a mere man could write such a masterpiece. The way the bible flows with history, the prophecies that are coming to fruition, etc. Mere men could not have possibly written the words of the bible without divine intervention.
This is a good answer, we live by faith and the good book was written for those that have/keep the faith. You bring up good points when you say that no man would be able to decipher the codes from God with such prophecies that only God knows.
This is faith based on assumption. You cannot state a matter of faith as if it were a matter of fact without hard evidence proving the fact to be so. And you have none. I respect your faith but do not accept your statements as fact.
Faith can be dangerous. Especially if it's all you got going for you.Consider how much we do is based on faith alone. When CNN puts one of their 'experts' in front of you how do you know he is an expert? Cause CNN told you so? Faith is dangerous.
JT, if you want to hang on to that faith of yours, to believe in whatever inspires you from the bible, hang on to it! But if you venture into argument with those who have thought beyond those scriptures, then you stand to lose your faith in faith.
JT - no one can prove something doesn't exist, all you can ever say is 'I have no proof that it does exist' - so since I see no proof that it IS the word of God I will continue to assume it isn't until I see proof of otherwise. So prove me wrong
Someone wants to shift the goalposts and demonstrate that they know nothing about the burden of proof while using every possible logical fallacy (appeal to popularity) if you claim a god exists, you have to prove it.
If you have a book made of paper with printing on the paper, of course it's real. If it's only in your mind, it's not yet real, except in your mind. Two billion people having a belief in their minds does not make it fact. Only two billion "gods."
No, You're wrong. I do not say there is no God. Atheism means "without theism". I lack belief in a god because no God has been proven. Just admit you cannot prove your beliefs are actually true and you don't care if they're true or not.
You cannot prove a negative claim, Jeff. You cannot prove that Bigfoot does not exist, and insisting that people try demonstrates weakness and ignorance or logic and debate. Prove it true or admit defeat.
JM... You are an atheist and do not even know the meaning of the word. God is proven to me without a doubt. Prove me wrong?? You cannot! Check your thread for the many of the word atheists.. One who does not "believe"
JT, all you are proving to the world is that you have stopped searching for anything beyond your belief system. Before any of us can enjoy a walnut we must crack it's shell. But you probably feel so safe inside there, you don't want to get out.
I am not offended. I feel sorry for you. Atheists' argue because of fear and ego. Christians debate because of faith and the belief in God. When are u people going to get that fact? You can do or say anything. My God is much more powerful than words.
Of course jonny. JM.... Like I have replied on your thread, there are "not" denominations of atheist. Either you are or you are not. No grey area for that one JM.. ONLY BLACK AND WHITE. Either you are or not.
I don't deny you the right to hang on to any belief you wish.....just trying to show you that there is a world outside of that shell, and that opening to the wider world might bring you closer to your true god.
There are different kinds of atheists, jt. There are strong atheists and weak atheists. There are gnostic atheists and agnostic atheists. It's not a denomination. The only thing all atheists have in common is disbelief in a god.
Here is a quotye I dug up that helps clarify who wrote the bible ... and WHY
Tom Paine: On May 12, 1797 while living in Paris, France
"In your letter of the twentieth of March, you give me several quotations from the Bible, which you call the Word of God, to show me that my opinions on religion are wrong, and I could give you as many, from the same book to show that yours are not right; consequently, then, the Bible decides nothing, because it decides any way, and every way, one chooses to make it.
"But by what authority do you call the Bible the Word of God? for this is the first point to be settled. It is not your calling it so that makes it so, any more than the Mahometans calling the Koran the Word of God makes the Koran to be so. The Popish Councils of Nice and Laodicea, about 350 years after the time the person called Jesus Christ is said to have lived, voted the books that now compose what is called the New Testament to be the Word of God. This was done by yeas and nays, as we now vote a law.
So I would have to say 'no' - it is not the word of God but rather Man's attempt to create a control mechanism. did you know that owning a bible, unless you were a priest, used to punishable by death? Kinda strange that so much hate, death and suffering are caused by those who believe in a book that is supposed to promote peace and good will.
Thousands of MicMacs, Hurons and Iroquois, just to mention a few of the tribes, were butchered/murdered/killed (whatever term makes you feel good) simply because they did not want to be Christian. your argument is typical and shortsighted.
As a human, created in the image of God, I carry the Father's words with the Spirit of Righteousness outlined through the principles, laws, and morals distributed by those who promote blessings of the Lord. The benefits present solutions to others.
Since the Bible has way more in common with the Fairy Tale format, and almost nothing in common with actually History, one would not be using common sense to conclude that the Bible was actually written by an all knowing God. Additionally, there are verses that show complete ignorance of basic science. Logically, no all knowing God would make such egregious idiotic mistakes. So logically since the bible contradicts itself, by claiming to be the word of an all knowing God, while the words are that of an idiot....that should settle this question. Unless, of course, if we want to assume that: 1. There is a God 2. The real God is in the Bible only 3. God is all knowing, yet allows inaccurate verses to be put into a book of "truths" 4. God is all knowing, yet chooses a book format, while dictating to fallible humans, something very important....instructions for what He desires from us, to keep us from eternal damnation. 5. That it is moral and sane to blame the fallible humans, that God created to be fallible, yet dictated His truths to....for God's mistakes.
Occam's Razor states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
It is up to you to prove you are right and the above is wrong. you say it is the word of God and so that must make us 'pagans' - so do what the bible says then. Convert us, PROVE it is the word of god.
Getitrite any scientist can prove a tree can live without light for 24 hrs. Unless of course you are equating creation and evolution as taking the same amount of time. That is like combining oil and water!
just as you ask to prove the Bible and God are real, then i assume you could also prove that we crawled out of the sea as a clump of slime and became what we are now. i would sure like to see that. Evolution from apes? why are both of us still here?
getitrite, religious stuff is not something to be tested in labs as some scientific truths. In a like manner, scientific inventions are not meant for keeping in temples. Both these arena need different approaches, so dispute does not arise at all.
Just supposing "Man" is really "God" in disguise! If that were the case, then everything that Man has done is in fact what God has done..... and God must own up to every mistake, every blurb, every deception that has occurred through the history of this finite world. Hands up all those 7 billion x 2 hands of God..... do you plead guilty or not guilty to the charge of corrupting this world with misinformation? Just a thought which might get you all thinking.....
Religion is a sticky subject. I have my beliefs, as we all do, and I don't like religious debates, but I can give you some "word of mouth" type answers, aka things I have heard. First, if you examine some events in the Bible and research them, such as the flood, there is scientific evidence out there that the event did occur. Going a step further, you could do this with many of the stories in the Bible. Second, it has been said that a person who is prayed for while ill recovers faster than one who isn't. This would also have to be researched and is more proof of God and prayer rather than the Bible. Some say that this is only true if the person knows they are being prayed for, but there may be some scientific evidence that points toward a placebo group in which you could disprove that statement. Finally, you could look into the many chapters or sections of the Bible that didn't make the cut. Yes, there were many. You could compare them to see why they didn't make the cut. Also, looking at the ones that did make the cut (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, etc) to see if there is a pattern might point you in the right direction. When you read a portion of the Bible, can you see a reason God would have guided an individual on Earth to write it? Try looking at different version of the Bible too. Some believe only certain versions are correct, while others are misleading. I find the ones that interest me and that I can understand develop my knowledge and lead me to understanding the more difficult versions. I hope this helped!
I don't believe it will be proven by man. Only God could/can prove that it is or isn't. I often ponder why people get so wrapped up in a written document anyway. I'm not being disrespectful here, I just often wonder why some people are focusing so strongly on a belief system based on teachings inside a book, what does that really do for them? Shouldn't the Bible be more for a moral code or as a parable? Shouldn't people be focused on God alone and not so much what a book says word for word? After all, there were followers of God long before there was a book that told people to. They did it without one so why do so many people now direct their belief solely on a book and not their God instead? Is it a crutch? Fear of what life would be like without something telling them how they should structure their lives? Again, no disrespect, to each their own but I'm just not so sure God would care so much about if you follow every word in any book. Isn't it about what's inside of YOU that makes you one of God's people? Just a thought....
It cannot be proven because the Bible is based on faith not fact or science. The men who wrote the Bible were men of faith who wrote what they beloved to be true or what their faith compelled them to write. The Bible cannot be proved.
You can never prove it one way or another. Those that believe the Bible is the word of God, handed down by God and a perfect document will never be convinced otherwise (they have faith) and those that believe the Bible is a series of stories by men assembled into a book by men with many flaws will never be convinced it is from God (they use reason and logic). The "discussion" found in response to this question is proof of this . . .
Brblog, with utmost respect to you and your view, I draw your attention to the life stories of various enlightened beings of different parts of the world. They all say that their all doubts have ceased to exist and they all look very sane.
Why don't you people just live it alone? Why must you attack someone for believing in God? What is your reason for doing this? Your words are so minuscule to our faith, you are just wasting your time. Why attack people for their beliefs??
A question was asked and we are answering it. Why can't you be happy in your own faith in God? Why does the fact that others disagree with you so offensive? Do you have the right to force your religion on others?
No one is forcing atheism on anyone. Being forced to betray your beliefs by torture, imprisonment or death is an attack. Disagreeing and sharing ideas is not. Criticism of an idea or belief is not an attack in the slightest.
JT, your objective is that EVERYONE will become christian like your self... right? That is the purpose of evangelism. I do not want you, or anyone, to become atheist. My choice stands as personal and remains as such.
When have I "belittled" you? I only call you out when you state "facts" that you feel everyone must accept. Numerous times I have appreciated YOUR beliefs as valid for YOU. Does your god not allow Me to be Me?
A real religious person is one who is convinced that God is infinity and if anyone including atheists says something about God even though appearing as ridiculous should be examined carefully with all grace. Free minds are rare among believers.
Everything but everything that has to do with God,the bible explains. The will of God is inside.Also the plan of God. I don't know if it's send by God but actually must. I know that is,the only solacing in this life.
OK - first off - you did not finish the statement about how it was written - it WAS written by the hand of man BUT INSPIRED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD!! If you do not read it - then there is no since in even continuing a conversation with you about it because MANY of men have tried to disprove it and have FAILED because God doesn't NEED our help defending Him nor His Word - He said what He means and He means what He says!!
Psalm 14:1 says that a FOOL says in his heart that there is no God...
as I said before, you cannot make a statement of faith as if it were a statement of fact. You can use all the upper case letters you wish, but you cannot prove anything. therefore you are not stating any facts, just your beliefs.
If you god does not need help defending himself, why do you try to back up what "he" says? I don't accept this head-in-the-clouds, judgmental god you speak of. Ok, if you think that psalm refers to me, so be it, I am a fool I can live with that.
i finished my statement and i also am not opposing spiritual inspiration, i am simply stating something that was asked of me but i want to be able to explain it in a more except-able way to them, so i chose to reach out the community rather than.....
You have asked about only Bible but most of the religious sacred texts might have been written by men but these are claimed to be revelation or word of God. Are they so ? Or as you ask , can it be proved ? I say , it can be proved but only when if a person is earnest enough to seek answer with his all guts, mind and heart and is as passionate as a thirsty man asks for water, a passionate lover longs for company of his/her beloved, an addicted alcoholic longs for alcohol, a dying man gasps for life and a sex maniac desires for sex and so on. If the question is asked with such a severe intensity as I described above, perhaps God will Himself answer it to you. It is not my statement, sages say so. Also, if you receive the answer with GOD's grace and then you utters it, it will also become a word of God and again there will be same question. My friend, we cannot trace God scientifically and we cannot pursue science spiritually. There are different methods and procedures to prove tangible things of the world and abstract thoughts imbued with divinity. If a word is so effective as to raise us morally at a high pedestal and to perceive the whole humanity with a compassionate heart without any discrimination be these are of religion, caste, creed, colour , nationality, race and so on, then I am sure that word is word of God even if it has been uttered by a common man, a beggar or a saint.
thank you for speaking out, my personal beliefs are strong and i don't question them with such things but when someone put the question before me and i answered them it just did not seem to be enough for them so i reached out to the hub community.
There are things written in the Old Testament that ancient people should not have known and Scientist only discovered a long time after. Therefore someone higher had to let people know these things I am putting together a hub on this at the moment.
CreeViking so what? God reveals truth with or without the Bible. They who wrote the Bible did so as things happened and were revealed. Those in the Old Testament didn't have a Bible either, just those of the NT
Since we werent around at the time of Jesus and we werent around to see the authors write the books of the Bible, we have to walk by Faith. We have to believe because our Bible and our Faith tells us its so. I wasnt alive for George Washington's presidency and the great things he did for this country but do i doubt that he ever lived or did the things Ive heard he did? No. I have history books and accounts of what he did. Same with the Bible. Do we believe some of the things that happened in the Bible? Why not? Is it so impossible? Or is it possible we climbed out of the sea and became an upright, air breathing, thinking, human out of a clumb of slime. What seems easier to believe? You decide. Hope you turn out on the right side when its all said and done. Bless you.
You don't have to believe, Bobby.... you choose to or not. Simple as that. As for the simplistic idea of climbing out of the sea, and "a clump of slime," can you not appreciate scientific process and the ability of humans to find logical answers?
Bobby.There is a difference between belief in ACTUAL History and Myths. If George Washington was said to have resurrected himself from the dead, then it would no longer be sensible to believe such fraud, even though Washington is a historical figure.
So, Bobby, how do you think we came about? Did we suddenly just Appear? In a Flash, like from a magician's magic hat? No one has said we evolved FROM the apes. We evolved alongside the apes from common ancestor.
Because each species of animal, plant, bacteria, etc. evolves and adjusts to conditions and circumstances in order to survive. If you read "The Bonobo and the Atheist" by Frans de Waal, you would fine some enlightening understanding there.
Hi everybody, You can prove that the Bible is from God by referring to Islam books, the Bible has been mentioned in quran and it's from God, but unfortunately there is a lot of changing in the Bible because some people have added and subtracted from it. The only book from God hasn't been changed is the quran.you all can find more information by reading about Islam or by visiting any Muslim area and you will find all answers to your questions. Thank you very much
Same question back at you my friend. How do you know the Quran is from God? As with all religions Islam is a matter of faith not fact. A man of Islam can no more prove the Quran is from God than a Christian man can prove the Bible is from god.
Hello Everyone, the sun, moon, stars, visible creation, dry season and winter, seed time and harvest - all this point out to the truth that there is an invisible God who made all things. May God grant u His spirit to know Him in Jesus name! AMEN
Relegating reasons to "faith in god" is easy. You don't have to prove a thing because you can't. There have been thousands of good, diligent, hard working scientist who have provided us with scientific and more plausible explanations.
hahaha. the Quran was derived from a guy that climbed a mountain and changed the Bible to fit his own needs. its no different than what the Mormons or Catholics or JWs. Do your own study, find out which Bible is the closest to the original text. KJ!
The truthfulness that the bible was written by God is questionable. Proving that it is the word of God is really challenging. For instance the Christians subscribe to faith in proving it while others like scientists use science to disprove it. The bible as it is now may not be as it was in the past, it is common knowledge that the church used the bible to persecute the non-Christians; they may have changed some books or chapters to do such acts. The chances that it is alleged God's words are slim. Furthermore even if we were to subscribe to the idea, it has been passed from generations to generations making it subject to the inherent risk of distortion.
Kevin Khamati, it is very surprising that so much emphasis is being laid on books and written words. The sages have clearly stated ages ago that despite reading sacred books and chanting GOD's name till the eternity, no one can know the reality.
That's true! I am a Muslim! once a christian was making me to leave the Islam. he asked me so many questions by me about my religion but when I asked the same question. he became speechless and went away! Bible edit every year but humans or Christians.
King James. no. every other offshoot including Islam that wanted to skew the word of God to thier favor..yes. King James Bible gives us the version that is the closest to the original manuscripts. thats all i need. Bible 200+ yrs older than Kuran
unen- tsogt, if this vision stated by you is the outcome of your own experience and deep contemplation and not on account of blind adherence of a particular theory, then I respect your way of looking at religion even though I believe in God.
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