Many churches have Psychologist and or Psychiatrists on staff Is this accceptabl

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   celafoeposted 10 years ago

   Many churches have Psychologist and or Psychiatrists on staff Is this accceptable to scripture?
   
   Many modern churches have psychological counsellors, Psychologist or Psychiatrists on staff ,  call or referral.     Does scrpture cindone this practice?

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   SirDentposted 10 years ago

   To my knowledge, scripture does not condone the use of Psychiatrists.  In fact, I believe it goes against the Word of God.  Jesus never tried to counsel a devil out of a person.   
   
   I will also add, God will give people what they ask for, if they are persistent in asking, whether good for them or bad.  Israel wanted a king and God gave them one.  Saul ended up causing a lot of heartache to the Israelites.

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      celafoeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Great answer.   Yes Jesus said we are to crucify our flesh (psyche), not understand it

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      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Collasians 4:14 is very troubling then as psychiatrists are physicians of the flesh (psyche)

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      SirDentposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you Eric for bringing that to my attention.  The psyche has to do with the mind of a man.  They call Psychiatrists doctors, but a physician is a doctor of fleshly diseases.  They treat the body, not the mind.

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      celafoeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Eric -only to those who do not know how to interpret scripture.   Flesh is talking about the natural carnal man, the essence of the man, not the meat on the body.  Crucify the natual man feed the spiritual one

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      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Luke was certainly a physician and a dearly loved one at that. Truly he was a member of the church.

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      celafoeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Eric - yes he was a brother, and loved.    That is the measure not his occupation.   WHAT CHURCH?   BY BEING A BROTHER HE BECOMES THE CHURCH (Part of Christ's body) do you think they had a building like the modern apostates that they call the church?

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      SirDentposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Off topic already?  No one is denying that Luke was a physician or a brother in Christ.  The question was about psychiatrists being used in the Church to counsel.  Psychiatrists are taught according to the ways of the world, not God.

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      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Celafoe -- Psychiatrists are physicians and have worked for years with the church. Luke was the physician to Paul as he makes clear "our beloved". Guidance counselors are different as are psychologists. Ministering to the sick is a worthy calling.

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      celafoeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Eric -are you aware that psychology was not everecognized until mid 20th century.   I know, after several years of debating you that you have a mixture you believe, but it is just not scriptural and i am concerned for the young that you say you teach

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       Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       That is just a slam against me. It is insulting.

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       celafoeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry eric it is not intended as a slam but as a wake up call.   2John 10-11,
       Look at some of the thing you have said, eastern religion material, etc.  Christianity demands a correct use of the gospel ONLY.... I care but the word is #1 not feelingss

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       Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       celfoe is your interpretation of the Bible infallible?

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       celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Eric     infallible NO      Correct  on what parts I teach  YES
       I am always open to correction by scripture properly used IN CONTEXT  but never by any other means

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       Eddy Vonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       1I have told you before We live in THE NEW TESTAMENT NOT THE OLD.2. Most of your scriptures have NO place in this discussion as they are not relevant at all. 3.You cannot use the OT to outline the new things so I will not address them again. Insults

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   PlanksandNailsposted 9 years ago

   The reason the modern churches have them on staff is that they are specially qualified to concoct the opiate for the masses. The more they are allowed to gloss the eyes of the people, the more money will fall into the offering plates. These are among the clergy class who are hired by the church elite to control their minions.
   
   Those in the church system claim to follow Scripture, but in their actions defy it. Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trained in the secular practices of the world and will use their secular psycho therapies and pop psychology on their own church members for a fee.
   
   There are no hirelings in the body of Christ, just servants.

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      celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      AMEN BROTHER

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   Eddy Vonposted 9 years ago

   The bible says - We are ALL to be counselors for one another and especially to counsel those in prison. And yes, I do believe that having a professional that has studied in a university is acceptable for counseling individuals seeking guidance for enlightenment. . Lets be very simple here and use an analogy - of a "fork" for example. An individual can see  this is a fork, yet if they are not counseled  "give enlightenment" - they may not know what is is used for - it is simply a fork. One must learn it is used to place food upon and then moved to your mouth to eat! Professional have the ability to aid those who are lost - not to say others can not- but with serious issues - they can offer "tools" to help the lost...Do I think they should be on a pay roll...no- pro bono is the way!

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      Eddy Vonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Will you please post the scripture you have stated here. I would like to read the book, chapter and verse you describe. ...(As a minister (are we not counselors as well?and a psych major (masters degree -   Thanks Respectfully Eddy Von

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      celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      check  my hub -- http://celafoe.hubpages.com/hub/The-Tru … the-Church   NO minister led by the Holy Spirit would use psychology, but those that serve the churches of men , instead of Christ do, churchian hirelings, not CHrist led.

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I've searched NASB, NKJV, NIV for "we are ALL to be counselors" and can't find it.  The part about being professionally trained by man I know isn't there, but not sure about all are counselors.  A little help please?

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      Eddy Vonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Proverbs 13:10
      By insolence comes nothing but strife, but with those who take advice is wisdom.
      Proverbs 15:22
      Without counsel plans fail, but with many advisers they succeed.
      John 16:13
      When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all t

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      celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      eddy- the scripture ( jn 16:3 from the NT ) you use shows that the only wise council is from the Holy Spirit,    The OT scriptures were from before the Holy Spirit was sent to lead us into all truth.   in OT men were
      between man and God, not in NT

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      Eddy Vonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Proverbs 20:5 -Proverbs 12:18 - 2 Timothy 3:16-17 -Galatians 6:2 -2 Corinthians 1:2-3- 2 Corinthians 9-17 - Proverbs 27:9 - 2 Samuel 20:18 -Colossians 1:28 -2 Timothy 2:15 -Amos 3:7 -Proverbs 12:15 -Matthew 23:34- Jeremiah 1:5 -Job 33:23 -Psalm 79:11

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      celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      rich-  it is not in scripture, another lie of the churches of men,  NT we are to seek the holy Spirit for answers, not men

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      Rich kelleyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Charlie
      I realize the mistake I made asking for scripture. People that minister to the flesh have a mill stone with their name on it waiting.

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      Eddy Vonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, I must agree - insulting is an understatement by this author. I posted many scriptures to the author- who has the option to post. this is not done, but rather the comments I received were considered "non - relevant". I will post in next comment

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       celafoeposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       eddie-- you did what all hireling pastors do, gave me a  bunch of scriptures , none of them supporting your position.    If you are going to call me names then at least be man enough to be truthful.   I am not responsible for your lack of understand.

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       Eddy Vonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Celafoe, I have told the truth- the comments I made were copied and pasted from your writings to me. Post the entire conversation, so as the Truth will be seen. I am done with this conversation, and by the way - I am a woman...May God bless you

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