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Why would a biblical,loving, caring "creator" allow the potential rape of baby girls?
"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
i don't think that verse is depicting child rape. but it was still wrong to capture innocents and kill their families. and why kill ALL women who were not virgins? some of them could have been married.
All the females that have not yet had sex includes baby girls up.
If you notice in my question I used the word "potential."
In some facets of judaism it is perfectly acceptable to have sex with a baby girl who has reached the age of 3 yrs and 1 day.
You know, of course, that the torah is the first 5 books of the bible alledgedly written by moses. It's called the pentateuch.
It has nothing to do with rape. Virginity is a sign of purity.
Which was going to be taken by the conquerors for their pleasure.
If you read the whole chapter, you will see that those who were catpured were used for work. Some were given to the Levites to help in keeping everything in order in the tabernacle. (this is quick response without studying it up really well.)
God is holy and righteous. He expects us who believe to be holy and righteous also. Men are unclean compared to God. Virginity is as close to being holy and pure as a person can get without Jesus Christ in their lives.
I'm sorry, I don't follow.
First, what is this god thing you mention?
Clear that up for me first, then, If I think you've made a valid point, we'll discuss it.
If ya can't, in all due respect, I can't consider anything you post about this god thing as being credible. Why? 'Cause all you'd be able to do is offer opinion...and you know what they say about opinion: opinion is worth about a dime a dozen..ok? Thanks!:-)
In other words, they were made slaves.
Slavery is holy and righteous? Since when?
It should be obvious. Like it or not, the Bible is not ONE book, but a collection of books. Small surprise that the all-compassionate stuff doesn't mesh with the sorts of things you are describing. I mean, we're talking multiple authors, multiple centuries. It shouldn't be rocket science (IMO)
Virgins. They saved the virgins who that tribe used as sacraficial bait for pagan Gods. That is your answer. God delivered the very virgins that those people would sacrafice. And I thought we had some poets in here. That is beautiful.
Seems no one has the cahones to approach this question...gee, I wonder why?..
just wondering about that passage qwark, never encountered it before...
Yep, you won't find this passage under the CHERRY tree
They could eventually marry them, it doesn't say they can have sex with them as infants! But really, the things that went on in the world and STILL go on in the world are brutal and sick IMHO.
quark, I am always with the thought that I believe in GOD, felt it always< but then the bible is confusing yes because it is written by lots of people, different perspectives and different time and era too
Of course! Thats why the bible is a horridly corrupted work.
It has been a victim of time and too many interpretations in many many differing languages...each adding or emitting whatever the writers desired.
Go back to the "DArk Ages" between about 500 - 1500 AD and study the effects Roman catholicism had on religious belief. Study the influences of the writings of the 21 ecumenical councils. It only takes study to figure out just how inane biblical scripture is.
yes, have doubts about the bible, but then my belief of A GOD is still here in my mind and heart
OK...NP I respect you as being a sister human being.
Have you followed any of my questioning in ref. to what this god thing is?
If you cannot define this god thing as being fact, you are just guessing and hoping.
May the force be with you.:-)
I think the message is pretty clear...
"Cross us and we'll kill you and then rape your daughters."
And it got incorporated into someone's religion along the way.
I am not saying that war is right or wrong.
This was during the time that the Israelites were taking back what had once been theirs, (The promised land), before their forefathers went to Egypt.
It also sounded to me that the Midnites had some kind of Sexually transmitted disease that was rampant among the population. . Saving the little girls was a sign of compassion that was not afforded the adults and young boys who might have been infected with whatever they had.
To not judge a war that I know nothing about as right or wrong seems like the appropriate answer to me.
I was only stating what I read. The previous verses seemed to say that these people had offended God in some way probably having something to do with their infectious condition.
I have to run off and do an estiment for work; will be back.
Did you pickup my use of the word "potential?"
And what happened to "thou shalt not kill"?
It baffles me that people choose to follow a bible, so re-written, so convoluted to take it so literally. Lack of faith in the bible does not mean a lack in faith in God.
One of the major issues I take with organized religion is that it often leaves people sitting around cooking up excuses for why rape/slavery is okay.
In fairness, the slave trade was finally made illegal in Britain by the concerted efforts of churchgoers. (Not sure why I'm being fair, but hey.)
Which is all well and good, but I'm not really emotionally connected to Christianity's distant past. Whatever tragedies or moral victories it spawned, they're academic now. Certainly worth noting in historical study, but not nearly as relevant as Christianity's current effects.
Which includes making excuses for why it's sometimes okay to engage in genocide, slavery, and rape, in that order.
Yes, there is a massive force of Christian rapists sweeping across the nation.
Christian slave rapists, honey, don't forget the slaves!
Christians don't really have any sensible answers to this forum question, becasue it would expose their religion for what it really is, and would cast doubt upon their "rational" thinking.
The biblical god thing ok's the ownership and punishment of slaves, murder, pedophilia etc., etc..
It's all there for the reader. :-)
And the imagination runs wild.
This was the age of barbarian warfare. It was common practice that when invading armies conquered a land for purposes of establishing settlements it was customary to eliminate the inhabitants. To kill them prevented retaliatory actions in the future.
It was also the practice that if you killed a man you also killed his sons that they not come back when they grew up and take vengeance.
It was a brutal time. and this chapter mentions some kind of communicable disease, probably STDs.
Would it have been better to have killed the uninfected girls and women also?
Funny how it happens when a verse like this is found by unbelievers it`s accepted as being in complete context and accepted word for word as the word of God,plus any insinuations that they can add into it.But to be cornered by a believer in scripture,it suddenly takes another meaning or was mis-translated. Childish,foolish and divisive.Really doesn`t deserve responce.
Over the hill:
Pls tell us why you think the biblical god didn't command moses to give all the virgin girls to his soldiers and explain why scripture takes another meaning or is mis-translated if it's taken word for word from the bible? Can you do this? Hmmm?
Or are you just practicing your typing?
Funny how so many believers can not understand the difference between discussing passages from the bible and accepting them as the inerrant word of god.
Time to quote the good book!
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
What type of lunatic would force a young woman to marry her rapist?
Why are "believers" in this biblical god thing "tapdancing" around, avoiding answering my basic question: "why would this biblical god thing allow the "POTENTIAL" for females, from birth up, to be raped?" WHY,WHY,WHY?
Its been answered. God delivered the virgins from a tribe that sacraficed them to pagan gods. This is why history is so important. I think its poetic and ironic, but you feel for the murderers?
Whatever that is, gets pissed and offers virgin girls to be sacrificed by the pagans, ok, and the horny bastards can "drop- a-load" into the cute ones before cutting there hearts out!
Horny as I am I'd pray to this god thing to make me a pagan! Allah u akbar!
You got all this out of that short text. Wow. I bet you could fabricate a new religion as powerful as evolution.
I understand that response.
You are, obviously, a "follower," not a "THINKER."
There are so many like you. That inclination must be a genetic aberation....but wait! this god thing doesn't make mistakes! I'm so confused....:-) Jeez! I must pray for enlightenment...give me a moment!
It never says anything about rape. Sex with women was not as "LOOSE" nor free as it is today. I am sure many of these women were married into the men of the army, but rape? Thats what you have conjured up. Shallow and biased.
I'm glad God saved the virgins.
marrying a virgin without her consent, is rape, even if for you it's Ok, because God said so.
do you know what 'ethic' means.
who's shallow and biased ? Me ?
Do you like to follow me with insults ?
Is this your new hobby ?
I don't insult you. I contradict you. If you had a history education, and some schooling- you may notice that is what you do.
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