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   pisean282311posted 15 years ago

   why they criticize every other faith and sect?

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      SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Their hearts are evil and full of mischeif. They follow after their father Satan instead of following God.

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         Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Here's what they say about themselves, seems they aren't much different than your views, SirDent. Where exactly do they say they follow Satan?
         
         "We adhere to the teachings of the Bible, preach against all form of sin (e.g., fornication, adultery [including divorce and remarriage], sodomy), and insist that the sovereignty of God and the doctrines of grace be taught and expounded publicly to all men."

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            Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            They show their leader (Satan)'s face when they hold up signs saying God hates fags, etc.   They lie.  And the Bible says Satan is the father of lies and the Truth is not in him.
            
            God doesn't hate people.  He Loved everyone so much that He sent Himself in the form of Jesus to die for us all.
            
            He DOES hate the sins people commit, though.
            
            I'd imagine the Westboro Church hates sin too, or tries to.  I don't think it's "fear" of homosexuals as someone else here touted,  because just 'cause someone hates sin doesn't mean they're "fearful" of that person (fearful FOR them sometimes, or fearful of the influence that person may have on innocents).  AND they surely know, just as everyone knows, that it IS just plain wrong, Biblically and by nature, to engage in homosexual activity.   But when they bring that to the conclusion that the person him/herself should be hated,  they're wayyyy wrong and have with that committed sin themselves because their hearts are filled with hatred.
            
            The Westboro Church is....messed-up....and yes promoting hatred and evil.  They shouldn't be allowed to picket in the manner they do, in my opinion.
            But hey, neither should homosexuals be allowed to picket the way they do!  They've been violent several times,  they're very aggressive in their agenda, and they're promoting things that go against both God's Law and man's laws.
            
            So the mess continues.
            
            
            And for Mark Know-less........your rotten manipulation by using my name in reference to that Westboro group is duly noted and called out for the hogwash it is.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               LOL - Know-less? Oh - I see what you mean. That the famous sense of humor you were telling me about? Never heard that one before......
               
               I really find it funny that both you and Dent think you are doing something different to these guys.
               
               Sad, but funny. Mostly sad.

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               Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I don't see any faces of Satan in their signs, I only see the word "God" - I also only see what they claim to believe which is the bible and God. I don't see their beliefs are any different from yours or SirDents. Sorry, but that's what I'm observing here.
               
               
               
               I have read the same things here by you as I've read from their website. You hate homosexuality and want it abolished, so do they. What's the difference?
               
                
               
               See, you all believe in the same thing. Sorry, Brenda.

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                  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Typical crap from typical atheists.
                  
                  The obvious is stated in their signs: "God Hates Fags so much that Jesus didn't die for them but everyone else who are not fags. Jesus did not die for perverts either but only the Westboro church members."
                  
                  Next time you need the obvious pointed out, let me know.

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                     Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     "Typical crap from typical atheists."
                     
                     I must say, SirDent, you have a way with words.
                     
                     Of course, you can place your entire claim about the Westboro church on a sign, but I read their mission statement, which is no different than yours or any other Christian.
                     
                     You're free to try and defend your belief system and attempt to discredit the Westboro belief system, but the fact remains, they are one and the same.

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                        SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        But it is different, but even if the mission statement was the same, they are not doing the same.

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                           Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           Exactly my point, SirDent. You're smarter than you think. 

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      crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, those are some pretty strong negative feelings.  Would someone care to enlighten the Canadian who the Westboro Baptist Church is?
      
      Thanks!

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         SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         http://www.godhatesfags.com/

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            crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks SirDent .  Judging by the name of the link alone, I can see where the animosity comes from.
            
            Psychologically speaking, when people do not understand something they fear it, and it is unfortunate that once that fear is made so strong as to unite others together in a bond of mutual fear it is almost impossible to break through the wall with education.  They encourage each other and it becomes an "us" and "them" mentality.  Hate groups like that don't usually last, though it is sad that they ever come into existence at all.  There are usually two outcomes, the fear grows so intense that it destroys itself and the group disbands with its members bewildered as to what happened to them or the group is crushed by the opposition.  Sometimes it can take months, and sometimes decades - but until the glue that holds them together is dissolved, any message of understanding will fall on deaf ears.

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         Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Typical religionists but a bit more aggressive, unless you have seen Brenda Durham on the attack. Some of these religious people attack atheists, some go for young girls who have abortions - these guys go for homosexuals and shrimp-eaters as well, I think.
         
         Damn good argument to do away with this disgusting religion once and for all I say. The moment you are deluded into thinking a god told you what to do is the moment you start becoming like e these guys.I do find it entertaining  that Dent think his attacks on abortion are any different.
         
         Hate filled nonsense. How do you feel about haircuts, Dent?
         
         

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            Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            "Typical religionists "
            
            Their hate is not an excuse for your hate, hypocrite.

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            SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Blah blah blah. One of these days you will actually post something really worth responding to.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               But it is worth responding to Dent. attacking and accusing young girls faced with a difficult choice is exactly the same as attacking homosexuals.
               
               Still - are haircuts a sin? I am confused - and you are the self proclaimed voice of god.

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                  Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Change of subject? Typical.

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                  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Here's the thing Mr Knowles. Until you read that hub I wrote, you have no idea what it is really about. You loked at a photo and judged me and the hub by it.

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                     Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Here is the thing, Dent.
                     
                     I have read it. Sickly sweet guilt trip written by some one with more empathy for a person that never was than real people. Disgusting.

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                        SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        So then  you are saying those who have had abortions do not feel any guilt from it?

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                           Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           Oh - I'm sorry - did you not understand what I wrote? Should I write it in words of less syllables?
                           
                           How many abortions have you had? How many babies have you adopted? Sound like a familiar conversation Dent?
                           
                           Dear me.
                           
                           Are you saying that those who give birth never regret it? Seeing as you are now God?

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                              SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              So you really have no answer is your answer.
                              
                              To show your ignorance, girls who have gone through with abortions need help. They need to be ministered to, but everyone seems to fail to see this. All they vcan think of is give us your money and we will remove the problem. What they remove is not the problem. Guilt is what they need help with.
                              
                              Go back and read that hub again then read the comments. I had a niuce convo with someone on HubPages in the comment section.

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                                 crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                 Abortion is a A LOT more than that.  A LOT more.  Would you force your daughter to carry a child begotten by the man who raped her?  Would your force a child into a family that didn't want it?  Would you condemn an unwanted child to suffer as a ward of the state with a great chance of being physically and sexually abused?  All most pro-life people think about is, don't kill a life - but did you stop and think for even a second what kind of life you might be condemning that child to?  Furthermore, at what moment is a fetus considered a life.  When a women has her period is she murdering her eggs?  When a man ejaculates not into a woman is he the perpetrator of a senseless crime?
                                 
                                 There is a lot more to it than money.  And there are a lot more emotions on the line than guilt.

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                                    SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                    I know you are new here and have probably not read the hub. I will leave it at that for now. Read the hub then comment about it.

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                                       crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                       Link?

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                                          SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                          http://hubpages.com/hub/whydidntigetachance

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                                             crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                             This hub was nothing but "God says it's wrong".  I'm sorry, but you'll have to do better than that.  My stand is entirely situational.  I do not think it is always wrong, and I do not think it is always right.  Each situation should be treated separately.
                                             
                                             Your hub also only addresses partial birth abortions, there are many other ways of aborting a foetus that are not nearly so gruesome and so long into the process of the child's development.

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                                                SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                                OK. Where are the morals in taking the life of an un born baby? Of course I know the word foetus is used in place of baby.
                                                
                                                After you figure that out tell me who Jesus actually died for.
                                                
                                                Was it those who needed a Savior or those who did not?

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                                                   crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                                   In a secular world the question of ethics must be separated from God.  The situation is never black and white.  It is not always wrong.  And it is not always right.
                                                   
                                                   I cannot sit here and discuss every situation I can think of where it is wrong, and where it is right.  That will take forever.
                                                   
                                                   At what point a foetus becomes a baby, I don't know.  What I do know is destroying the lives of women because your God says something is wrong, is worse.
                                                   
                                                   What I am advocating isn't pro-life is bad, pro-choice is good.  I'm advocating that life is a lot more complicated than polar decisions like that.

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                                                      SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                                      
                                                      
                                                      I agree that life is complicated. I know that morals have to start somewhere.
                                                      
                                                      Ectopic pregnancies are a different topic altogether. As far as I know no ectopic pregnancy has come to term and the baby born alive.
                                                      
                                                      Who has the authority to say when a foetus is a baby? The Supreme court? Congress? The President?

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                                                         crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                                         That is a matter for philosophers and biologists, not politicians.  I don't think anybody has an answer for that at present.

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                                                            SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                                            
                                                            
                                                            I disagree that it is a matter for philosophers and biologists, but will leave it at that.
                                                            
                                                            Thanks for being civil in our disgreements.

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                                                               crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                                               It is easy to be civil, with someone who is civil in return
                                                               
                                                               You catch more bees with honey!

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                                                                  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                                                  If I was after bees, that would be easy.

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                                                                     crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                                                     Only if you aren't allergic to them lol

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                                    Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                    "All most pro-life people think about is, don't kill a life - but did you stop and think for even a second what kind of life you might be condemning that child to?"
                                    
                                    So YOU can somehow see the unborn child's future AND judge it not worth living? How fortunate that no one made such a judgement for YOU before you ever had a chance...

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                                       crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                       My mother had an abortion before and after me.  Following that my little brother was born.  And I can tell you this.  Neither of my parents were ready for children, and both of my parents have suffered severe psychological damage.  My mother was a using addict from 1994-2005.  My father spent a month in a mental institution.  I spent 17 years of my life begging for "God" to take me out of it.
                                       
                                       I did not say that I was the judge and jury of whose life is worth living, and whose isn't.  I only want illustrate life is many different colours, not just black and white - issues like these aren't a multiple choice question.

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                                       Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                       Would you personally prefer that you had never been born?

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                                          crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                          I would not have known the difference.

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                                       Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                       Ah, you wouldn't have had the 'choice' I suppose. Well, since you were lucky enough to not have been killed before you ever had a chance, what do you think now? Would you prefer that you had never been born?

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               Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               So, their generalized bigotry and hatred IS an excuse for other generalized bigotry and hatred? That's some sharp thinking right there

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      crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I'm reading the Wikipedia article on the group, and I can't help but have this overwhelming feeling of pity for anybody who is a member of WBC.  Some of the things they say convey such strong feelings of hatred.  To live with that much negativity welling up inside you, to live with that much hated and rage.  It is so consuming, it poisons your whole life.  And for Phelp's children I have even more empathy because they have him as a role model.  The poison he is feeding his children is child abuse.   It is just not a pleasant way to live at all.  I've been there, I've been consumed by loathsome feelings for someone that I felt wronged me, and I was miserable for it.  I will never allow myself to feel like that again.  What this group is doing is absolutely atrocious, and I feel sorry for the members that have chosen to live this way.

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         pisean282311posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         you are right...how can some group hate so much?

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         rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         it is child abuse, worse than physical as they have taken away the child's freedom to think.
         
         I'm a very compassionate, tolerant person, but I have not one ounce of pity for these adults.

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   Sab Ohposted 15 years ago

   Those people are flat-out evil and should be removed from this earth.

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      rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. these are not people. can you imagine being those children... terrible.

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   There are NO right answers
   
      Hate is not a respector of persons.
      There is no diffrence between HATING a homosexual and hating a person that hates homosexuals.
             (regardless of the issue)
      It doesn't matter how justified we think that we are..
      Or how good our excuse seems to be .. to ..ourselves..
   
      Hate is hate, irregardless of who it belongs to or what it is about.
   
      One person's hate becomes anothers justification to hate.
                 AND  YET
     And yet there are some things (such as "WBC") that can not be tolerated !!!  Who desides what those things are?            Who gets to swing the Ax?
    
     When a hundred people get to vote upon what is right and wrong ,nothing will ever be desided upon,
     And things continue to march on towards its eventual conclusion.   Unless ???
      
      every aspect of life contains an oximoron

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   Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago

   I'm sorry you cannot grasp the concept of loving someone as a human being but hating their actions.

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      Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I do grasp that concept, Brenda. And, I still don't see any difference in your beliefs and the beliefs of the WBC. Sorry.

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   sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago

   They are vile rodents, nothing more!

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      pylos26posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      HEY...WAIT A MINUTE SNEAKO...your term rodent is supposed to be reserved for me...oh well...hope i'm not "vile" though.

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         sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Nah! You're a hoot or maybe a squawk?

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   Daniel Carterposted 15 years ago

   The Bible talks about walking a mile with someone to really understand them.
   
   Have any of the conservative Christian, homosexual hating people here ever met a homosexual or their family, or friends, and listened to what it's like to be beaten senseless by other "loving" homosexual-hating Christians? Have you ever listened to someone who wants to commit suicide because their conservative Christian family hates them and has disowned them? Have you ever had any of these experiences? I doubt it. And so then you will likely always feel justified in what you think, although you have absolutely no ability to comprehend what any of these things are really like.
   
   I pray you have a son or daughter who is gay or lesbian so that you can comprehend such suffering.
   
   Amen.

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      Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The term.. "we are all nothing but dirty rags" gets a big 
      AMEN in Church on Sunday Yet this attitude seldom makes it through the door and out into the streets.
      
         Instead we say a prayer; "Lord, thank you for not letting me be as bad of a sinner as .. HIM" 
         The funny thing is; that attitude goes across the board.
      Some folks are praising themselves for not allowing themselves to be like ... "THAT"
        Everybody's doin it so it must be a logical thing to do.

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   Padrinoposted 15 years ago

   The Westboro Baptist Church is full of scumbags, they are no more representative of Christianity than the 9/11 hijackers are representative of Islam.

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      Davidsonofjesieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      they are all children of the teacher of hate

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