One doesn't need to be an ascetic in order to meditate and find god.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Our friend mohitmisra says:
   
   One doesn't need to be an ascetic in order to meditate and find god.
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/41067?page=3#post966117
   
   I agree with him.
   
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   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Usmanali:
      
      I do not believe you have found this god of whom you speak.
      
      If you had - you would not be attacking the Christian beliefs and hiding behind another fake user name after being banned on several occasions.
      
      Please provide some evidence of this invisible super being you claim to have found.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   I uphold Jesus and what he believed; I only expose the religion founded by Paul and cleverly named it "Christianity" to exploint the people "in the name of Jesus/Christ"; it has nothing to do with Jesus and Jesus had not authorized Paul for it. In fact Jesus had already warned that wolf in sheep's clothing in his name would come; meaning thereby of Paul a false prophet in his name. Jesus was at that time in India, and Paul exploited the situation in his absence. I am not against the true believers of Jesus and Mary.
   
   I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.
   
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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   One can be a normal human and yet meditate; it is not essential to be an ascetic for meditation.
   
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   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with you - of course not.  In fact, I am not particularly fond of the idea of asceticism at all, I think it defeats the purpose entirely.
      
      I disagree on the final goal being God, but there is no debate that can successfully be had on that subject.

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend crmhaske
         
         Hence, I don't believe that wise Buddha needed to opt asceticism as narrated in the story. Life in a jungle or Banyan tree is more difficult and is prone to distract one's attention from meditation. Buddha did not need to disappear from his home without telling his wife; and never to return. It seem to be a fiction. Buddha could have found a banyan tree in his garden and asked nobody to disturb him; he was a prince.
         
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            crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            What you think doesn't matter to history, it doesn't change what is.  The Buddha left his home, deal with it.
            
            The Buddha left his palace because he was guarded from the real world behind its walls.  He would have learnt nothing if he stayed.

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend crmhaske
               
               I am happy that Buddha left his good name but he left no account of his  life; and what I hear from the Buddhists is not tenable; that is the point. I wonder how learned people like you could accept it.
               
               Please don't mind; it is just a discussion to find out the truth.
               
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                  crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  The same way you accept the existence of something that you have never seen.  Oral transmission of a man who we all know existed's life by monks who have devoted their lives to him is more proof than you will ever have.
                  
                  I'm tired of your posturing paarsurrey.

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                     paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Hi friend crmhaske
                     
                     Have a mug of hot coffee or fresh lime juice, whatever suits you and get yourself refreshed. I have to learn a lot of things from you yet.
                     
                     Regards
                     
                     I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            did he not leave ascetism because he realized that it is not the path to nirvana?

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               crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               He left it only after he achieved it.  However, when he achieved it he did realize the middle path is the way, not giving everything up and living in forest.

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                  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi friend crmhaske
                  
                  This is also a story that he resolved that he won't leave the Banyan tree unless he gets enlightenment. How could he be sure that he would get enlightenment under a Banyan tree? This is only possible if he had the enlightenment before hi sat there; only then  he could be sure of anything. It is contradictory tale.
                  
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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend ceciliabeltran
               
               The story says he ultimately realized and came to public and did not live an ascetic's life; but I don't believe he started it in the beginning; as it is against the wisdom of such a wise-man like Buddha. These are stories spread by the wrong thinking monks; it has nothing to do with Buddha he believed in the Creator- God Allah YHWH.
               
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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend ceciliabeltran
               
               I agree with you; Buddha left asceticism and came to the people again realizing that asceticism was no good. This is what all the other Messengers Prophets have been doing; when they received enlightenment or Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH; then they left the useless meditation and instead they obeyed the Word of Revelation.
               
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                  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I still meditate after enlightenment and I guess many other have as well.
                  
                  Mediation is required for enlightenment and after that as well..

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                     paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Hi friend mohitmisra
                     
                     That might be your own concept; it is not stated by Quran.
                     
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                     I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                        mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Muhammad never claimed to be enlightened .He did not have direct knowledge but indirect knowledge at the same time he had his revelations while mediating in a cave.
                        Did he stop meditating, how can anyone tell.

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                           paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Hi friend mohitmisra
                           
                           The Creator-God Allah YHWH is the light:
                           
                           [24:35] And We sent down to you manifest Signs, and the example of those who have passed away before you, and an exhortation to the God-fearing.
                           [24:36] Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The similitude of His light is as alustrous niche, wherein is a lamp. The lamp is in a glass. The glass is as it were a glittering star. It is lit from a blessed tree — an olive — neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would well-nigh glow forth even though fire touched it not. Light upon light! Allah guides to His light whomsoever He will. And Allah sets forth parables to men, and Allah knows all things full well.
                           [24:37] This light is now lit in houses with regard to which Allah has ordained that they be exalted and that His name be remembered in them. Therein is He glorified in the mornings and the evenings
                           [24:38] By men, whom neither merchandise nor traffic diverts from the remembrance of Allah and the observance of Prayer, and the giving of the Zakat. They fear a day in which hearts and eyes will be agitated,
                           [24:39] So that Allah may give them the best reward of their deeds, and give them increase out of His bounty. And Allah does provide for whomsoever He pleases without measure. [24:40] And as to those who disbelieve, their deeds are like a mirage in a desert. The thirsty one thinks it to be water until, when he comes up to it, he finds it to be nothing. And he finds Allah near him, Who then fully pays him his account; and Allah is swift at reckoning.
                           [24:41] Or their deeds are like thick darkness in a vast and deep sea, which a wave covers, over which there is another wave, above which are clouds: layers of darkness, one upon another. When he holds out his hand, he can hardly see it: and he whom Allah gives no light — for him there is no light at all.
                           [24:42] Hast thou not seen that it is Allah Whose praises all who are in the heavens and the earth celebrate, and so do the birds with their wings outspread? Each one knows his own mode of prayer and praise. And Allah knows well what they do.
                           [24:43] And to Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and to Allah shall be the return.
                           [24:44] Hast thou not seen that Allah drives the clouds, then joins them together, then piles them up so that thou seest rain issue forth from the midst thereof? And He sends down from the sky clouds like mountains wherein is hail, and He smites therewith whom He pleases, and turns it away from whom He pleases. The flash of its lightning may well-nigh take away the sight.
                           
                           http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=34
                           
                           As one could observe from verse [24:36] above, the Creator- God Allah YHWH is the LIGHT; those who receive his CONVERSE get enlightened.
                           
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                           I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                              mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              There are many consciousness levels man is in,many can sense god and to a certain extent communicate with god . Enlightenment is fusing with the Light,one who has been with the Light, in the Light, enlightenment.
                              
                              "The Light that shines beyond the stars,
                              Is the same in my heart."

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   brianzenposted 14 years ago

   I cannot even begin to say what is wrong here. Read more about it then maybe we can discuss these things from a stable platform.

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