Crazy ????

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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   The Atheist here on HP thinks that I am Crazy for rejecting their ideology and believing in the existence of ONE God.
   
     The Most Religious folks on here thinks I'm Crazy for rejecting their ideology of Religion.
   
      Can a person accept GOD  and reject religions concepts ???
   I guess I'd have be Crazy to do so.
   
      I think that Abraham rejected the "religious" of his time.
      
      I think that most ALL of the prophets did.
      It was the religious who the prophets were sent to,
   cause they were doing it wrong.
      The book of Revelation describes how "Religion" will continue down that path.
   
      We tend to forget that the prophets were being sent NOT to the Pagans but to those that "wanted" to follow the God of Abraham, but didn't know how.  They kept "Interpreting" the word of God to suit themselves.  And going down the wrong path.

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      stilljustwonderinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      That is what Jesus had against the Scribes and the Pharasees.  They held to the letter of the law and the traditions, they didn't look into the heart of man.
      Jesus said to love God and to love one another.
      People on here think I am crazy too.  I don't care.  I know what is in my heart, or, "who" is in my heart.

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Absolutely correct.  Politics in religion  is like taking  mayonnaise out on a picnic. without ice
         
         
         It is what is in the heart that counts most.

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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   Another thread asks;  ... Does "religion" often get in the way of a relationship with Jesus
   
      Sometimes it does !!!   Are we really defending GOD,  when we defend religion?
   
     Which religion would that be ??

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      stilljustwonderinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ya know, God doesn't need us to defend him.  We don't need to defend our faith.  I just won't deny him.  You can't deny something when you know in your heart it is real.
      God is real, Jesus is real, and some day, "Every eye shall see."
      Love ya bro

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Thats the truth. the whole truth and nuttin but.
         
         
             Back at cha

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   Daniel Carterposted 13 years ago

   Crazy is as crazy does.
   
   If you're good with yourself and figure out your connection in the universe, you're ahead of the curve. No one can buy another person's "knowing" of any of that. It has to come from experience.
   
   All the rest is noise from the debate.
   
   RE: Scribes and Pharisees: They were the most righteous people of their day. They were the lawmakers, the respected, righteous ones. What Christ did was abominable to them. He rejected THEM and accepted the human trash of the earth. It made no sense, but that's what he did.
   
   Hence, our mistaken view of the Scribes and Pharisees today is that they were evil. They were evil ONLY for making the law more important than another human being. They were, in effect, WAY ahead of their time as business men.

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      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I can't pick out a particular part o your post to agree with.  Every bit of it is ABSOLUTELY correct.

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      stilljustwonderinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Problem is, we see Scribes and Pharisees in our day.  They are blocking the doorway to Jesus.  Some (we hear about on TV) with their immoral acts, others with the hardness of their hearts.
      I know of one young man.  He started going to church and was very excited.  Then the preacher told him he couldn't wear a certain shirt.  "Traditions of man"  This young man left church and didn't go back.  A while later he was killed in a drug deal.
      If God had a problem with that young mans shirt, God would have convicted him of it.
      We need to pray more for one another so we don't block the door or cause others to not want to walk thru.

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Jesus was fighting against the traditins of man while he walked upon the earth. 
         In fact Jesus' wasn't wearing the right shirt either.

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   BDazzlerposted 13 years ago

   1 Corinthians 3:19
   
   Shalom

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      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Corrinthians 3:19   ..  Shalome  back atcha...

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   srwnsonposted 13 years ago

   It's difficult for me to say I belong to a specific denomination because I spend my life on the road, it's my job you see. It's funny how many I talk to on the CB feel the way you do Jerami. Perhaps it's because we see so much of the good and bad in society. Are we crazy? No, God knows the truth in my heart and I think this helps combat the loneliness that sometimes comes to others like me who spend their life on the highways of our country.
   
   God bless you.

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      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for your kind words.  Some of the purest hearts that I have ever known went fishing every sunday mornin.
        That is where they talked with their GOD. 
      
         Come to think about it ??  I rather talk to him than about him.
         I bet cha a nickel you find a lot of time when there is no one else to talk to but him. and in those moments you learn a lot about yourself and him.
         It has been my experience that he would rather talk about you than him or anyone else.
         If I bring up what some body else is doing we end up going over ?...?  Why do I feel the way I do about that??
      
        If we learn to  know ourselves better, we can then undrstand other stuff better.

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         srwnsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Well said, and though I'm not knowledgeable about the bible, I think I learn more from those who don't necessarily use the bible as their only source of finding God. I know there are those who say it is important to study the bible to learn about Gods plan, I think we can learn from people who feel the same as we do as well.

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            Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I've been accused of being a red letter person...  Yep .. I admit it.   Understanding the red letters (Jesus said it) first before we try to understand the rest of it is important.
            
               I would say  MOST important.  Cause if ya can't get the red letters right, you aren't going to get the rest of it right either.

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   Pcunixposted 13 years ago

   What's crazy?
   
   When we bought our first house, the people we bought it from had a seven or eight year old daughter.   
   
   My wife and I were waiting outside for the parents to get their last stuff out on moving day and the daughter was playing.
   
   In the street. Sitting in the street drawing with chalk.
   
   Now this wasn't a main street, but it connects two main streets and a lot of high school kids use it as a shortcut to school and some of them drive far too fast, so my wife was a little concerned.  She said something to the little girl.
   
   I do not recall the girls exact words, but it was something like "Jesus will protect me"
   
   That's what her idiot parents had taught her, I guess, or maybe she decided that on her own.   They were idiots:  either for teaching her that or for not knowing that she plays in the street.  One way or another, they were idiots.
   
   THAT is crazy.   If you take your religion that seriously, yes, you are crazy.  So the little girl was crazy and her parents were at least idiots, and maybe crazy too.
   
   Other than that, believe whatever you want and if it makes you happy, I think it's great.  I may think you are very wrong, but if you still act rationally, why should I care?
   
   Not that that will stop me from poking fun at your beliefs in some other thread :-)

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      srwnsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      If her parents taught this girl that God would protect her even if she played in a busy street, I have to agree with you here. Her parents were crazy.  Poke away if that makes you happy.

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         Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Who knows what they taught her? They might have been as aghast as we were.  And I suppose she was a bit young to be called crazy - though if not, certainly not very bright :-)
         
         But if they did teach her that, yeah, they are nut cases and I hope nothing bad came of it.  I think of that often - it really bothered me.  She'd be in her mid 40's today..

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            srwnsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You mentioned in another thread that you believe in humanism is this right?

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               Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               That is a silly way to put it, honestly.
               
               I agree with much that Humanism promotes.  I don't "believe" in it.

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                  srwnsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  You agree with much of it, but you don't believe it. Okay -just curious.
                  
                  Have a nice day
                  
                  You said:
                  
                  Many non-religious people identify as Humanists and the Humanist Manifesto (which you can find at http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_We_ … anifesto_I and other places) nicely expresses our beliefs .

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                     Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I find nothing odd about that.  I think it is a very sensible organization, but I prefer to think for myself and not be locked into what others want me to think.   So while I may agree with much of it, I am in no sense a follower or a believer.   You may classify me as a humanist if you wish, but it isn't entirely accurate.  Close enough, though.

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      stilljustwonderinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thing is, we aren't suppose to tempt God either.  Did the parents not know she was in the street?  Some times parents just don't want to be bothered by their child and don't pay attention. 
      There was a 4 year old boy living on a street I traveled every day.  Just about every day he would be out in the street.  I would stop and tell his mother.  One day I was driving up the street and I saw something  in the middle of the road.  It was that little boy laying all spread eagle!   I stopped and told his mother, he got out of the road.  His mother told me to mind my own business!  If I had run over him it would have been my business for the rest of my life!  I minded my business straight to childrens protection.  I never saw him in the street again.

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         Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I do not know what they knew.  We were excited, buying our first home - I do not remember anything else about any of them.

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   Has it occurred to any of you religious types that an omnipotent entity is hardly likely to write instructions to mankind that are unreadable to most and full of contradictions? Or that he is so needy and insecure that he kills those who don't belief?
   
   Or how about an omniscient entity that  got our human DNA messed up when he made us in his own image?
   
   How about an omnipresent god who has been a no-show for all time?
   
   Total madness caused by indoctrination.
   
   Your sky fairy is a myth story retold throughout history, altered and repeated since the sun god ra by the sub-conscious of mankind.
   
   Religiosity is married to the fear of death in the brain stem.
   
   It can be switched off with chemicals that reduce fear and since the galvanic probe experiments carried out on a psych patient 30 years ago the whole thing is known and learnable.
   
   Before you go waiving stuff around that comes out of your mind, find out how to drive it and which bit of it you are using!
   
   We each live a myth based on our subconscious decisions, while believing that we have made conscious choices that arrived at the truth.
   
   We need to learn how to make more of the mind conscious before we can start living our "truth" because that truth is just reaction to fear.
   
   Until that fear is made conscious all sorts of myths will be followed, even ones as bizarre as the crud in the bible.
   
   It used to be the sun god that "explained" all this to the chronically afraid. Not much has changed.
   
   
   Don't unnnerstan somethin? Then god musta dunnit!

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   srwnsonposted 13 years ago

   Sky Fairy, I'm glad you don't believe in that. I hope you reconcile your crisis.

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      earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have no crisis to resolve concerning this matter, and it is condescending answers like this that I would expect. Why don't you show me where I am wrong without the good book bit?

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         srwnsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The truth is I can't sir, and it's not my place to try. I'm not versed enough in scripture. If I tell you my belief you will only scoff, so I will say good day.

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            earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            OK. Be safe out there.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Bye bye then,. One less condescending religionist is always a good thing.

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               srwnsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Nice shot.

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   paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

   Sign-off.?

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