Will the REAL Christian please stand up?
Yes, we have christians who fight about who is the true christian, muslims who own the truth of the quoran as well.
There seems to be a dozen or so religions within the same religion.
But they are all true, and they all got told the truth by the same god.
God just tells them all different stories apparently.
And exactly where did you get your information? You speak of the bible and Christianity? You mentioned Paul?
I mean you're claiming the two(religion and Christianity) are separate? Yet, you get your information from religion known as Christianity.
No if you got what Jesus tried to instruct Cags ,you would get that He admonished Religious leaders and in fact told them exactly what made them different...from followers of Christ.
Religion is just an easy word for the world system to be able to categorise anything to do with God(s)
Not a biggy with me personally because I dont like stereotpyes of any kind, but I acknowledge I do it,even unconciously.
My friends (who dont believe) will often say ...Oh ..I know how you feel about such n such because---your religious...lol
I usually respond with...Tell me what YOU think my opinion is -then I'll tell you the truth
I also see it as inspirational as a goal to get out there and do things myself, but not as a truth in any literal sense.
Taken as it is written as a promise it is simply a lie.
If it doesn't happen a billion times out of a billion it ain't gonna happen.
I have always been very lucky getting what I need, but I know why.
I worked hard at being lucky.
Margie Phelps appears to be carrying the same sort of logic as some of our religiously infirm do.
..Spirituality is diverse ,because none of us is the same , we think, perceive differently.
Add into that fact ,that I beleive the real battle takes place in the heavenlies anyway and we are the pawns...
One day the game will be over however, and the real King will be crowned.
In the meant time I just do what I think is rightYo got that right Bro.....
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Only the ignorant and deluded would believe something so ridiculous as that.
Which, I'm sure you can explain thoroughly.
Is that like a special club or getaway? Do we take a bus or a plane to get there. Hilarious stuff.
The best way is to determine what is "Religion" and what is truth. I determine what is true by what their god has done for them.... I believe in Jesus Christ because he has spoken against religion, and he brought the Gospel. The Gospel is the way to go......avoid following the masses, and get to know the true and living God from your home, by reading a King James Bible and start praying and speaking directly to God that reveals himself in the scriptures. You will also notice that Jesus Christ is God and he gave himself up for us that recognize we are sinners and need to be redeemed. That is the truth, and way to go. No other "Religion" can match this and set you free from bondage, because all the rest are in bondage and try and entrap you into religion.........Jesus sets us free. Until you have done this simple step, you have not gone anywhere.
- Grandma Jeanposted 13 years ago
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Google is good! Biggest library in the world.
*Stands Up*
Oh wait! That was Christians not Slim Shady! Guess I better sit back downIt has never been wise to judge anyone or anything without first checking out the fruit ie..Do they live ,what they believe,etc.
Honestly a forum is like a buffet ,we already have some kind of appetite and we cruise and devour or pick n graze til we are full...sometimes we even vow to never to dine there again....least til the next time we are hungry ,or curious.
Brainstorming is good. Discussion healthy, even disagreeing is normal.
But -its the internet and like any invention it has its limits.
or gullible enough to hear and believe the voices in their heads.
Christianity seems to have so many avenues. I believe that if all if us believe in the same God what difference would it make? If everyone sat down and read the Bible front to back and did not always listen to the minister, pastor, father, etc. of the church, they would find the true meaning of Christianity. I attend church but I do not allow them to lead me. I look for the answers, ask questions and pray. I am a REAL christian and do not pass judgement on those who do not believe and respect Christians who are from a different congregation then myself.
AEvans, I do not understand how anyone could read the whole book and not see the psychosis within.
I do understand that you are a tolerant and reasonable person, but the scriptures are certainly not all tolerant and reasonable are they?
I won't bore you with more of the horror bits from the OT, or the many contradictions in the NT that I have posted before, but I am curious as to why you are a believer.
I see and know a lot of christians like yourself who are passive and decent, like to help others and don't rock the boat, and I appreciate them as I do you, I just don't get why you would believe the OT/NT crossover bit.
No offence intended although I realise you would find many of my posts offensive as I do the religious posts that promise certain horrible death for non believers, and say my dear children are at risk because I lack belief in a god.God isn't always tolerant and reasonable. Sometimes I don't understand why so many believers think he was always so loving. He was not. There are many contradictions in the Bible and that is because man has re-written the word of God to benefit them. The King James Bible is the most accurate, opposed to the NIV or any other version out there. I realize it is chocked full of thee, thou's and thy's but it seems to not be tainted. I believe there is a GOD because so many miracles have happened in my life. I know he is there. I also know they reference God in the old testament as two. Meaning there could be not one but two. People of course will argue that. I know when we die, we do not go to Heaven. Nobody has actually been there but Paul I believe and that was only one time. Purgatory exists and it is written, souls have to go somewhere but not to Heaven. All of our bodies go back to the Earth until Christ comes. There is so much I have learned from the Bible and I wish that others would read and understand it too.
All that has happened to me and all that I have overcame was because GOD was there. I believe and I know he exists because of all of the blessings I have received, those blessings were not man made.
Here is my thought I share with people who wonder about God.
When a mother carries a child in there womb for 9 months, that child was conceived between two people. But how was that child truly created? How was it able to grow, fingers, toes, hair? How was it able to give expression and begin to feel? A baby is a beautiful creation and he/she is a miracle given to us by none other then God. He shows us that miracle everyday. :)God just wants us to see what he can do.Google it.
Others will. Put a little effort in.
i'm sure you have them on a text file for quick copy and paste like your hate scripts.
Besides i know there aren't any. I've seen them all but if you say you have actual contradictions then i am very interested. its a hobby of mine to thwart you in this area
He is
What a peaceful world it would be
everybody believing in God and God being active in everyones life
gives me goosebumps
Time for the top ten again already?
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.I'm glad you're not one of them too.
I think I would lose my mind if I was and wouldn't be very happy.
I think they have lost their minds, and I'm certain they are unhappy.
It doesn't require perfection, just honesty.
earnestshub wrote:
I think they have lost their minds, and I'm certain they are unhappy.
Who are 'they'?
The "You will go to hell if you don't follow the fairy" set.
Wrong story, wrong time, wrong thread.
Some things never change.
65 million years ago....... NatGeo documentary.
But then as we have seen so many times, you don't read the links do you?would have helped if you had a link y'know....
It seems that scientists have differing opinions and that doesnt bode well for them does it.
I always read the links and i check everything i write, my goal is to be accurate and truthful inspite of my dislike for writing. If you want to poison the well use some proof okay don't just state your opinion because we have seen your opinion before, more than I am sure anyone wants to, and you obviously don't read what you write.
nat geo is your bible huh, i will have to remember that next time you make a vague reference to something.No, it would help if you had a normal understanding of common knowledge like other people do.
Unlike yourself I have many sources that I can cross reference, and your accuracy so far is more than questionable.
I think you run at around the 100% wrong mark when making your usually toothless attacks so far.Like claiming life after death is a fact? Yes, I can see how some scientists would have a problem with that, like ALL of them.
They really need a rotflmao smilie for these posts. Absolutely hysterical comedy.
I wonder how many Christians are doing face palms over your "accurate and truthful" comments.
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- ahorsebackposted 12 years ago0
Yea I do too.
Proverbs are fantastic,kept me sane when I was a young busy parent..then reassured me I wasnt crazy when work got demanding..now Im older ,I nod and understand the wisdom, and the best part was its true and free.
Anyone can post pieces of a book,or watch a trailer for a movie,but it is never ever the same as te REAL thingWell I am not a fool.
and my posts are not as repetitive as the goddunnit arguments here.
I can't imagine how one could mock a god who's power is in threatening it's subjects and starting wars unless your god is the mythical zeus, it is self mocking.
All the threats and hate in the bible is for what exactly if not to control the terminally fearful?How about someone who just isn't gullible?
..The critism is not original or new
You really should get more creative with your insults.Oh, I see, so your insult regarding fools is perfectly acceptable?
The hypocrisy is astounding!
So, the insanity of the Bible kept you sane?
Except when it helps your argument no doubt.
I see it in it's entirety, not just the nice bits.
Parable or not, it is patently obvious that the words are psychotic.
- Figments of my imagination, I guess. Danged divine visions....
Many of the christians who argue on here are fundies, and many of the arguments are amongst themselves.
I think you are right. It does make it a lot easier to argue. Also the Fundamentalists say they are literalists. I suppose if you are going to argue for a god and point to the bible then the bible should be read as the literal word.
I read the bible in the same way and it makes sense that way, as written without a lot of interpretation. Reading it that way set me free of it.
Of course the fundies do not take it literally. They interpret according to a set of conservative doctrines.
But really, if you believe in jesus and god but don't believe the words of the bible what do you base your religion on? How can I argue hell when the christian i am talking to doesn't believe in a literal hell? All of the moderate Christians have cherry picked their religion. The fundies as crazy as they can be don't cherry pick.
I'm not saying they are real christians or more real than any other. I'm just saying they are easier to argue with and they are the ones who want to teach creationism in public schools and have their beliefs reflected in politics. The moderates usually like separation of church and state. Aftr all, they implemented it. It wasn't atheists.
So really the fundy is the one I am interested in arguing with. The moderate and I can usually get along. lol...
No, it's just ancient scripture.
- ahorsebackposted 12 years ago0
- RookerySpoonerposted 12 years ago0
Are you recessing, eaglewiki?
Thank you.
I am very clear in my own mind as to the differences between truth and fantasy, and it is good to know you can see my position as plainly as I intended.I can both empathise and relate to your comment. I was a very serious christian at one time, and learned my way out of it by studying religion.
I feel very confident in my decisions, I live with love all around me. The real sort, not the "you can be loved if" of the religious tomes.
The freedom is an interesting one. I have always been free in a way. I was working from age 6 with my amputee father jointly hacking a living out of logging, and spent a lot of time alone deep in the forests of Victoria Australia.
I am lucky enough to be alive to life having been surrounded by nature's beauty without anyone telling me what it was in relation to myself, and have always been that fool who will even chat to a worm.
These days I live with most of my beautiful grandchildren and never want to see them put through the fear and judgement of others that religion entails.
I live in a sane place full of love, and know how lucky I am and why.All I write is verbatim from your own source, the "good book".
That isn't a factor I suppose.
That would be George Bush
We all know the story.
Your god made himself, made us, killed all but 8 of us because he screwed up and couldn't deal with it because of his neurosis, so he became his own son, then killed himself to atone for something he caused in the first place.
Then he disappeared in a cloud of ridiculous mythology of his own making.Fair enough too I say! You are gonna need more than 2 hubs though.
Yeh good on ya cobler sport mate pal!
You must have been hearing those voices in your head again cobblers.
You sound just like your god.
There was one thing you said that made sense.
"God doesn't exist other than to be a psycho, christians are all indoctrinated idiots, meglomaniacs, religiously impaired, the list is long indeed.
Yes, it is long indeed.
Of course I speak of the zealots who are not only impaired religiously, but intellectually as well.I'm sorry that you believe that I think I am superman in disguise simply because I have enjoyed a successful and fulfilled life without answering to you invisible friend brothery.
I fear that you may be even more like your fairy than I thought.
Jealousy is a curse ya know.
Gilgamesh
First I want to say, that why is this earths oldest writing more credible than the bible? Its older. Its of a strange language, Sumerian and in cuneiform. Written in clay and with bits broke off. So how is this translated properly? How is it more credible than the bible? No one knows its author, etc. anyway.
The flood of the Epic of Gilgamesh is contained on Tablet XI2 of twelve large stone tablets that date to around 650 B.C. These tablets are not originals, fragments of the flood story have been found on tablets that date to 2,000 B.C. It is likely that the story itself originated much before that, since the Sumerian cuneiform writing has been estimated to go as far back as 3,300 B.C.
Since we are telling a tale of a flood story lets begin with mentioning certain criteria that will be common in any flood story: a flood, boat, supplies, people in some cases animals too. Since people escaped the flood they had to be warned, who would know better than God(s). These are givens or non variants. But why would a flood story even be told unless there was a flood? There had to be a flood. Both the Mesopotamians and Hebrews lived in the same area both recant the same story of a huge deluge. The flood timeline is 2400 bc, bible flood, coming out of egypt 1600, a 800 yr period of oral transmission before being written. Not a long gap for cultures based on oral information.
The first things we notice about gilgamesh is its silliness, warring gods fighting amongst themselves, a hero picked for no apparent reason at all. The timings are different, bible flood lasted a year, gilga 3 weeks. Gilga had several periods of 7 day events. The number 7 is not unknown in bible language but the bible uses 40 and 150. The gilgamesh boat was unsailable - check the stats for yourself - the bible boat is quite seaworthy. Certain points i have made show that these versions are not copied from one another but are separate renditions of an actual occurrence, which i have stated before was not 'world' wide. God is very much a being of truth and accuracy therefore the bible version is so very much more sophisticated than the somewhat comical gilgamesh version.
Just like the followers of muhammad eh Paara?
Well you are just another bone ignorant-by-choice fundamentalist to me, so why don't you and your invisible friend go and play on the highway?
The sky fairy story sucks like the intake on a jetliner.
How and why would an omnipotent omniscient omnipresent entity "control" it's creation?
Think about it.
Think about how ridiculous it would be to get a bunch of writers to write down your holy words in a manner that was threatening, inhumane and completely psychotic even by our low human standards.
Any wonder this last god of so many has split in to the bible and quoran.
The Jesus story? Thin on the ground that he ever existed....no reliable evidence at all.
Apollonius of Tyana. Also "the son of god" (along with a dozen others)has real solid proof of his existence.
God. In the old testament is a psychotic sociopathic homicidal maniac who is jealous and easily offended. (low self worth?)
This "loving" god wiped out all but 8 of mankind as well as all the birds. The birds are even harder for me to swallow)
He condoned rape, slavery, torture, eternal damnation, the burning that goes on forever for the people he loves, then suddenly he becomes his own son and kills himself soon after the son debunks everything his old man had said in the OT while telling everyone how wonderful this psychopath daddy was and that we should worship him, not jesus himself.
Among the religions I have knowledge or experience of is the catholic church, who accidently get one thing partly right with the idea of a trinity, but that is a long story worthy of 6 years of psychology.
The OT as well as the NT are both compilations of many other jesuses and gods who's almost identical stories have been told since man could scribble on a wall.
They all have the same theme. Tell others how they MUST live their lives, and how they must behave towards their beliefs.
Total bull*hit the lot of it, and unravelling it takes a good five minutes with a basic understanding of psychological principals, logic and common sense.
Despite it's wordiness, the bible ain't rocket science.The sky fairy story sucks like the intake on a jetliner.
speculation from a bitter and biased point of view
How and why would an omnipotent omniscient omnipresent entity "control" it's creation?
Every society has controls. Controls are needed. They ensure the safe, livelihood of individuals. The bible shows what life is like without these controls, with these controls and when these controls are ignored.
Think about how ridiculous it would be to get a bunch of writers to write down your holy words in a manner that was
Writiing is good. Every society wrote down its ordinances. The american constitution should ring a bell
threatening: judgment for sin. Predictions (prophecies) of what would happen IF Gods ways were not restored. We have the same thing today, we break a law we do jail time. In the right environment, police training, law school, prison, etc we would hear threats all the time, but these are not really threats they are cause and effect. Walk into a court room and in the background the threat of judgment is hovering, but these places are not dealing with the overall sins of an entire society, just individuals.
inhumane once again and how many times do i have to repeat myself, harsh times, harsh repercussions. When a government wants to install a new system of doing things or a landlord wants a tenant to move out or parents wants their kids to leave home what do they do, they make the old system useless and thereby persuade the masses or the individual that change is good. In Gods judgments of bringing nations to war with his people, he was instituting change, a change they would not like. It is not as though God never gave them warning, they had plenty of time to change their actions. Everything they needed to promote the ways of God were right there, nothing was hidden. God told them before, if ye do this, and he told them after, then i will do this and this pattern applied to both his promises and his judgments. Nothing inhumane at all, considering the times and the necessity of change. They shoot horses don't they
completely psychotic even by our low human standards. I'd laugh but you just repeat this garbage so often, i actually feel remorse
Any wonder this last god of so many has split in to the bible and quoran.
Few realize that the masonics are to blame for koran and it was invented in a warlike manner specifically to thwart christianity. Masonics have been controlled by catholicism, just like the jesuits, knights templar. Catholicism uses the muslim religion as a front or an escape goat to take the blame and make itself look all proper. If you have missed all this information its out there.
The Jesus story? Thin on the ground that he ever existed....no reliable evidence at all.
Heaps of evidence mate, in fact, there are no theologians who deny the existence of Jesus at all, but you are too far from anything i might say about it.
Apollonius of Tyana. Also "the son of god" (along with a dozen others)has real solid proof of his existence.
He has nothing to offer than he was an unhireable court magician. His texts were written by his followers years after he died without a resurrection and his movement died with him. His teachings never pointed to God and he couldn't even stand up to Peter (apparently) So you have read something about him or seen a video, big deal. Lots of people have documentation about themselves, this is not evidence against but just a comparison to be made between the two and Jesus knocks his socks off, without documentation as you wish it to be and without even competing.
God. In the old testament is a psychotic sociopathic homicidal maniac who is jealous and easily offended. (low self worth?)
not low self worth lol.. so much for 30 yrs of study once again down the drain.. we are made in his likeness... that means we are like him or he is like us. He is loving, jealous, kind, prudent, angry, thoughtful, forgiving, honest, creative, strong, generous etc, and a bunch of things we are not, immortal, etc.
This "loving" god wiped out all but 8 of mankind as well as all the birds.
yep.
He condoned
-rape
nope
-slavery
in order to pay off debts and slavery properly done was not slavery at all
-torture
nope. That was the other guys
-eternal damnation
The lake of fire - yep - very merciful, unfortunate but necessary
-the burning that goes on forever for the people he loves
nope,, that's a catholic doctrine and its wrong
then suddenly
Not suddenly, the Jews were expecting a messiah. Gods plan was in the works from the beginning.
he becomes his own son and kills himself
so lame... he incarnates and then gives up his life to end a covenant of sacrifice and bring in a new covenant not based on physical sacrifice. Why did he use a human body? To do a lot of good, heal, teach, become tangible evidence, to resurrect (can't resurrect without a previous body) and to redeem human beings - the animal just covered the transgressions a human was needed to eliminate the sin, SO, God used himself not someone else, himself. Had a human tuxedo and went a walkin.
soon after the son debunks
not a debunking. Jesus got BACK to the heart of the matter. He said people need to be righteous the same thing God said in the OT
everything his Father had said in the OT while telling everyone how wonderful this psychopath daddy was and that we should worship him, not jesus himself.
completely wrong
Among the religions I have knowledge or experience of is the catholic church,
and yet when i said you were catholic before you chewed my head off and made me to look like i was lying ... figures dunnit
who accidently get one thing partly right with the idea of a trinity, but that is a long story worthy of 6 years of psychology.
oh good just like your 30, well maybe you can understand psychology better, at least i hope so because your grasp of bible sucks like an intake on a jetliner, if you disagree, look back over this post and check other posts that have mortally wounded you. Of course you were catholic, its written all over ya
Despite it's wordiness, the bible ain't rocket science.
but some don't get it. Imagine that
Its very good that you are studying psychology, when you come to the part about yourself, you may see yourself as the God of the OT you so desperately mock.
hugs bro
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