Nicene Creed

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   qwarkposted 14 years ago

   What the Hell does this mean?
   
   "I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
   
   And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made."

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      luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Used in public liturgy during worship services in many Christian religions.
      
      Teri

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         qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         thanks Luv:
         I didn't asked how it is used or where, I asked what the hell does it mean?

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            luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I know but I'm a rabble rouser...or haven't you heard

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               qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               yep...lolol   you just told me...:-)

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      Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It refers to the unity of Jesus with God.
      
      Want me to give you my local priest's telephone #?
      
      I think he's got email now (hut if you send him a message on Sunday, it could take a while to get back to you because that is his busy day... so don;t hold it against him

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         qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Greek...they don't know...they are just as bigoted as are prelates of any cult. They have nothing but guesses and conjecture.
         My native language is English. 6 years of college. For the life of me I cannot make out the literal translation of this "garble."
         Anyone?

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            Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Well, bigoted or not, they can give you an opinion as to what it means to them, as those who follow and use the Creed.
            
            As for what was of those who developed the Creed.... well they have been dead now for a few thousand years almost, so it would be hard to get in touch.
            
            Which part do you find confusing?  The first sentence declares a belief in an all powerful God who made everything.
            
            The second parts declares a belief that Jesus was of God.. ie he is united with God in essence as one being (similar to the trilogy where you get the unity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit), and not just 'created' by God as a fully separate entity.

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               luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               A serious side...I'm surprised.
               
               Teri

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                  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Why are you surprised?
                  
                  Did you not read my hubs on Elmer Fudd?
                  
                  Some have called them 'intense, in-depth and moving'

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                     DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     a must read, I say. The life of Elmer.

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                        Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Would you not say it is so deep that it changed your life?
                        
                        I get that a lot from many readers, you know.

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                           Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           I think in Elmer's words it might be "it changed my wife."

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               qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Greek:
               Thanks.
               I've sat and spoken with priests and prelates of other cults.
               They have all be indoctrinated in what to give as answers. Protestant cultists disagree with each other and all protestants disagree with catholicism which proclaims to be the only correct interpreter of their cult beliefs.
               You see, Constantine proclaimed, in the 1st council of nicaea, that this jesus was god. The 2nd council is where ya find the subject of my question.
               Now, as a speaker and student of English, the definition of "son" is as follows: a male offspring or descendant. If the "creed" says: "And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds..."
               How do I interpret the "creed" if it proclaims this jesus to be both god and his son?
               It's this kind of cultish idiocy that is so confusing to so many and is accepted without thought by the majority of "believers."
               By the by, the definition of "cult" is a religious system/formal religious veneration.

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                  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  hmmm.. it sounds like you already have a pretty well established point of view / interpretation of the Creed 

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                     qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Yep...it's Garble.  lol :-) Do you have a different one? if so, c'mon "garble" it up some more....:-)

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                        DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        what do you think it means? wich part is confusing?

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                           qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Door:
                           Scroll up, I just explained my confusion a little earlier.

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                              DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              oooops. sorry...scrolling

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                                 DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 ah, translations and all. ok.

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                                    qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yep...:-)

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                        Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        i can't covert you until after I am done with Mark Knowles...
                        my eta for his baptism in Nov 19th. 
                        
                        With Mark's conversion, my regular day job, trying to get my hubs up over 2 clicks a day, and my never ending search for more relevant porn, I simply can't allocate the time.
                        
                        In the meantime, there are a number of born again types that would be happy to engage in a more 'aggressive' discussion 

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                           DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           covert? hehehee

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                              Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              it is a covert convert

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                                 DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 ahhahhaa. especially in your bold eta with mark, that would have to be covert.

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                           qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Greek :  lol i'm for the more relevant porn! Aggressive chat with retarded cultists? I'll pass...but thanks for offering....:-)

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                              DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! relveant (I can not spell...sorry) to what... porn?

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                                 Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 relevant to today's evolving, modern sexual requirements

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                                    DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    modern sexual requirements, as far as I can tell..they are the same as they have always been, people are just more open about it.

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                                       Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       new erogenous zones are being created all the time, Door!
                                       
                                       The other day I stubbed my big toe and I almost had an orgasm!
                                       
                                       (Mind you, the end of my penis was right beside it, but still... )

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                                          DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          I want more erogenous zones!!!!

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                                             Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             you are a woman.. you are not supposed to have any

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                                                DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                that sucks. wait..maybe I shouldn't have said sucks in this context...

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                                                   Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                   you will DEFINITELY be saved after we take over the world

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                                          qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          braggard!    lol
                                          ..or are your legs just that short?....:-)

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                                             Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             tying this all back to the original post....
                                             
                                             amazing things can happen if you only just believe, qwark,,, amazing things!

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      Amie Warrenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That Nicene Creed is not complete. Here is the last part:
      
      And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
      
      It was written in the 4th century, what do you expect? It basically says the same thing as the Apostles' Creed in more difficult to understand 4th century language.
      
      I was raised Episcopalian, which is as close to Catholic as you can get without trying. Really, it's the Catholic church with married priests and divorce tossed in by Henry the 8th and the quest for world domination taken out. Fewer pedophiles, since priests can marry.  We have all the same creeds.  I like the Apostles' Creed better.  It sort of says it all for any Christian, which I'm not anymore, but still.
      
      I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
          the Maker of heaven and earth,
          and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
      
      Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
          born of the virgin Mary,
          suffered under Pontius Pilate,
          was crucified, dead, and buried;
      
      He descended into hell. [See Calvin]
      
      The third day He arose again from the dead;
      
      He ascended into heaven,
          and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
          from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
      
      I believe in the Holy Ghost;
          the holy catholic church;
          the communion of saints;
          the forgiveness of sins;
          the resurrection of the body;
          and the life everlasting.
      
      Amen.

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         qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Amie:
         My goodness! I've been through that so many times! GARBLE!
         ALL GARBLE! Loads of it with absolutely no meaning anyone can interpret....:-) they just reiterate!

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            Amie Warrenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, I know. We had to say them both every Sunday. I never understood why. If you've said it once, why say it again because it's in a later form of the same language?
            
            I'm incorrigible anyway, so religion didn't take.

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      Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds more like a trap so you can lambast anyone who does believe it.
      
      Really qwark, if you truly want to know what it means, go on your own spiritual journey and investigate for yourself so you don't take hostages along the way, thumping on them that they're idiots.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend qwark
      
      The first part is correct.
      
      The second part is incorrect and in fact negates the first one.
      
      Jesus believed in the first part only; he never believed in the second one, literally and physically .
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   thooghunposted 14 years ago

   It seems like a roundabout way of cementing the fact that Jesus was the only man made by God, and not by man. And that he and the creator are indivisible in spirit and substance.
   
   And, of course, a lot of redundant rhetoric.

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Constantine was not baptized a christian until he lay on his deathbed. What was decided in the 2nd council? is this jesus guy god or just the son of god..? I know it's all BS, but roman catholicism uses the message...for what reason?
      What the hell does it mean?   aaarghhh....lol

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      Amie Warrenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The only one? What about Adam? Jesus was the only one BEGOTTEN of God, not made by God. Begats are big in the Bible.

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         DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         

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         Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         yeah but Adam was 'made'.. he did not himself emanate from / of God

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   Please save me some time looking it up; and tell me;  what was the biggest difference between the council at nicea and the second one in 330 Something?? 
      That question crossed my mind the other day.

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      ...it just finalized Constantines decision that this jesus is god.

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         At which of these conventions was the choices made for the canon?

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