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Ahmadiyya Caliph visits Shroud of Jesus at Turin

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    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Mirza Masroor Ahmad, Fifth Caliph of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 went to see the Holy Shroud of Jesus at Turin.

    A short peaceful dialogue took place.

    On Monday, 20 April 2010, Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, Khalifatul Masih V(aba), Fifth Successor to the Promised Messiah(as) and Head of the Worldwide Ahmadiyya Muslim community, visited the Shroud of Turin Exhibit in Turin, Italy, becoming the first Khalifa to observe the Shroud in person (Mr Fatir Malik, President Ahmadiyya Muslim community Italy had suggested that Hadhrat Khalifatul Masih V(aba) visit the Exhibition during his visit to Italy and Hadhrat Khalifatul Masih V(aba) agreed. Mr Malik spoke to Church officials who were happy to arrange for Hudhur(aba) to visit). Upon reaching the Shroud Exhibit, Hudhur (aba) was greeted by the Director of the Exhibition, Monsignor Ghiberti, and escorted through a special entrance.

    http://www.reviewofreligions.org/2472/h … xhibition/

    1. Greek One profile image77
      Greek Oneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I'll take turn of the century religious vacations for $100, Alex

    2. Rishy Rich profile image73
      Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      As far as I knw...A caliph is selected by & accepted from whole Islamic community. How come Ahmadiya has a Caliph when it is not even accepted as a Muslim community by majority Muslims?

      1. Greek One profile image77
        Greek Oneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        self appointed...

        the same way I am "King of all I See"

        1. Rishy Rich profile image73
          Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Oh...I didnt knw this is how it works. Hmm...So where should I appoint myself...(thinking)...(thinking) hmm ...hey man when will u retire?  neutral

          1. Greek One profile image77
            Greek Oneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            just need $900,000 more in Adsense revenue.. a few short clicks away

            1. Rishy Rich profile image73
              Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Damn...I better look for some other posts sad

    3. Beelzedad profile image54
      Beelzedadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      So, when will the Islamic world allow non-Muslims into Mecca thus show the same courtesies?

      1. Greek One profile image77
        Greek Oneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Get with the news, Beelzedad..

        the already built special urinals to prepare for the influx of non-Muslims arriving in Mecca..

        https://jspivey.wikispaces.com/file/view/guillotine.png/100630473/guillotine.png

  2. profile image60
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Professor Don Tino Negri:

    how are you related to the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community?

    Hadhrat Khalifatul Masih V(aba):

    my relationship is that of great grandson but this relationship has nothing to do with the Khilafat. An electoral college is convened for the elections of Khilafat, as the Pope is elected, behind closed doors. Hence in 2003, at the demise of the Fourth Khalifa(rh), members of the Electoral College, who were from amongst notable persons from all over the world, elected a person behind closed doors; in fact, it was inside a Mosque.
    It is Allah’s extraordinary Grace that I have come for the first time and the Shroud of Turin Exhibition is on show. I have heard that usually this exhibition takes place every 25 years, but this time it occurred after 10 years. Nevertheless, I held a great desire to see this and Allah has provided me with this opportunity, and I said that I ought to see it.
    http://www.reviewofreligions.org/2472/h … xhibition/

    Khalifa means Caliph in English; Khilafat is Caliphate in Englihs.

    When Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah or Second Coming died in 1908; his spiritual Caliphs suceeded him:

    Hakim Nooruddin was the First Caliph of the Promised Messiah.
    Mirza Mahmood Ahmad- the Second Caliph
    Mirza Nasir Ahmad- the Third Caliph
    Mirza Tahir Ahmad- the Fourth Caliph
    Mirza Masroor Ahmad- the Fifth Caliph; who is our living Head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim world-wide-community.

    1. Greek One profile image77
      Greek Oneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I'm confused... wasn't the Fifth Caliph selected on the TV show Pakistan's Got Talent?

      1. Rishy Rich profile image73
        Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        lol lol lol

        1. Rishy Rich profile image73
          Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          And didnt he perform a live on stage 69 degree?  big_smile

          1. Greek One profile image77
            Greek Oneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            he did a duet with Susan Boyle I think

            1. Rishy Rich profile image73
              Rishy Richposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              u mean metaphorically? big_smile

              1. Greek One profile image77
                Greek Oneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                Susan is EVERYWHERE

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                  Kathryn LJposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  An omnipresent Scottish woman - the mind boggles.

                  1. Greek One profile image77
                    Greek Oneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    woman!?!?!?!!?!?

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        paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        The election of the Fifth Caliph took place in London as the Fourth Caliph died there and is buried there.

        Essence of the Ahmadiyya Khilafat

        The Ahmadiyya Khilafat differs significantly from the misplaced
        aspirations of some Muslim groups for political and militaristic dominance
        over the entire world. The Ahmadiyya Khilafat is apolitical; spiritual and
        religious in nature. Thus, the Ahmadis do believe in the concept of
        “separation of the State and Church”. While respecting the will of the people
        to adopt varying political systems that may suit them for beneficial
        administration of their public affairs, it does not aspire for political authority.
        Though the ideal Islamic state calls for the head of the government to
        exercise both the secular and religious authority, the institution of Khilafat
        can and should remain focused on moral and spiritual matters only,
        providing necessary guidance to the political leaders to the maintenance of
        justice and social harmony.

        http://www.alislam.org/topics/khilafat/ … iphate.pdf

        One who is interested in the life sketch of our present Caliph may access:

        http://www.alislam.org/khilafat/fifth/
        http://www.alislam.org/v/21.html

        1. Greek One profile image77
          Greek Oneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          and how many electors where there and who appointed these 'wise men'?

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            paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Please visit the websites given by me and you will know the deatails.

            1. Greek One profile image77
              Greek Oneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Are you just posting links to different websites like a religious marketer, or are you here to discuss topics?

              Surely you would know general estimates of how many electors there are and what their qualifications there might be

  3. profile image60
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Ahmadiyya Caliph visits Shroud of Jesus at Turin

    1. Beelzedad profile image54
      Beelzedadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      To visit Mecca is forbidden.

  4. profile image60
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Shroud of Turin shows Jesus was alive when taken hurriedly to the tomb; he never died on the Cross in the first place.

  5. profile image60
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    "Monsignor Ghiberti:

    what in particular motivated you to come and see the Shroud of Turin?

    Hadhrat Khalifatul Masih V(aba):

    We were previously unaware that the Shroud of Turin was being exhibited. It was by chance that this programme came about and the community informed us that the Shroud of Turin Exhibition would be taking place during these days. We are from that section of Muslims who believe that the Shroud of Turin was actually used for the Messiah, peace be upon him, although our views differ. According to us, Jesus(as) was a great, and appointed, Prophet of God. According to Jewish teachings, as crucifixion was something inappropriate for a Prophet, when the Jews put him on the cross, God saved Jesus(as) from crucifixion. And we believe the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community is the Promised Messiah of this age. He stated that the Messiah (i.e. Jesus(as)), was treated and Allah granted him life thereafter. This is why I was interested in seeing this Shroud."

  6. profile image60
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    "Professor Don Tino Negri:

    how are you related to the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community?

    Hadhrat Khalifatul Masih V(aba):

    my relationship is that of great grandson but this relationship has nothing to do with the Khilafat. An electoral college is convened for the elections of Khilafat, as the Pope is elected, behind closed doors. Hence in 2003, at the demise of the Fourth Khalifa(rh), members of the Electoral College, who were from amongst notable persons from all over the world, elected a person behind closed doors; in fact, it was inside a Mosque.

    It is Allah’s extraordinary Grace that I have come for the first time and the Shroud of Turin Exhibition is on show. I have heard that usually this exhibition takes place every 25 years, but this time it occurred after 10 years. Nevertheless, I held a great desire to see this and Allah has provided me with this opportunity, and I said that I ought to see it."

    1. Beelzedad profile image54
      Beelzedadposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Yet, no matter how much a desire one has to see Mecca, Allah has forbidden it.

  7. profile image60
    paarsurreyposted 7 years ago

    Mirza Masroor Ahmad, Fifth Caliph of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 went to see the Holy Shroud of Jesus at Turin.

    Is it the shroud Jesus was wrapped in when he was laid in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea; a genuine one?

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Absolutely no proof the shroud is real!  Some think it was a practical joke by Da Vinci!  It can only be dated back to the 16th century.

  8. mikelong profile image69
    mikelongposted 7 years ago

    Yup...its too bad that the "shroud" is a fraud... 

    Will the lab holding the corroborating Jesus DNA samples please stand up?

 
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