People’s right to believe whatever they want to believe

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   Rishy Rich wrote:
   
   I have to disagree but you can continue with whatever you think.
   
   Don W wrote:
   
   You seem unable or unwilling to address the issues with your argument, so I won't persist in pointing them out.
   
   And thank you for giving me permission to continue thinking what I want, but it's unnecessary. It's already recognized as a human right as laid out in the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. This protects people's right to believe whatever the hell they want to believe and to express that belief, regardless of whether someone else thinks it's delusional, strange, unbelievable or just idiotic.
   
   You'll also be glad to know it protects your right to think it appropriate to use the death of more than 6 million human beings to try to score some cheap points in the god/no god debate. What an amazing thing freedom of thought and belief is.
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/54400#post1241278
   
   Paarsurrey says:
   
   I agree with Don W

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      pylos26posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      People’s right to believe whatever they want to believe...
      
      Is that why you’ve been bellowing that allah is the only one…for centuries?

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      psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You can have your own beleifs, but not your own facts.

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   lrohnerposted 13 years ago

   Paar, Why are you starting new threads with posts from older threads. Stop it and play by the rules, would ya?

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Why do that? It/he/she cannot play by the rules of religious belief it/he/she holds.

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         Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         some people like beating dead horses

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   It is people’s right to believe whatever they want to believe; and this right should not be denied to them; there is no compulsion in the matters of faith or religion.

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      earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Would you mind explaining that to the Taliban and the guys who attacked the Twin Towers?

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   [2:194] And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is freely professed for Allah. But if they desist, then remember that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors.
   
   http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=187
   
   1.    The Meccans were intolerant people; they did not allow freedom of religion.
   2.    The persecuted Muhammad and his followers and did not allow them freedom of choice of faith or religion they thought truthful. The Meccans tortured them and burnt their houses.
   3.    When the peaceful Muslims migrated from Mecca even then the Meccans pursued them and denied them freedom of choice of the religion.
   4.    The Meccans were the aggressors evidently.
   
   So Muhammad and his followers had to fight back for their existence and win back freedom of choice of religion.
   
   I am sure the American people are lovers of freedom; they would uphold the stance of Muhammad and his followers.
   
   This is what the Americans believe; it is the only civil way out there.
   
   Who agrees?

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      dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      so by your comitment to freedom as above, then Muhammed was a Freedom fighter?
      
      a profit or freedom fighter????? make up your mind Parr!
      
      you could cast Taliban, Al-quida, and the PLO in this light, but would you clasify Muhammed as same? 
      
      This should show that you you are changing the aspects of his, Muhammads'.  personality, to fit any situation or result that happened.
      
      This is why I say Islam is not different than any other Religion here in US, both do the same.
      
      Both beliefs Change the personality of the Hero to fit any situation that happened!   To explain any doubt away?   No good, and no truth to it!
      
      If both are to be real, then they had a personality and a purpose, not an ever changing two way make-up. That is if they were honest- spiritual and formal- Men as is told.     hmmm...

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Muhammad was much more than a freedom fighter; his real goal was much more than that; to guide humanity to the Creator-God Allah YHWH and he did uphold this primary goal always.
         
         He could not be deterred from this goal by anyone.

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      sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      All you seem to be saying is your freedom to believe whatever god you want only goes as far as it is your god they believe. 
      
      Because your belief enables you to persecute aggressor ie: people that don't believe the same things as you, then you are suggesting that the law is only good for your belief and it nullifies all others in the event someone disagree, kill them.
      
      That's what I see you saying here.

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   Muhammad never occupied or wanted to occupy any territory; when he had to enter Mecca to restore peace and freedom of religion he did not stay there for long, he returned to Medina and remained devouted to his lasting goals assigned to him by the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It's called "conquering in the name of a god." Just to clarify.

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   libby101aposted 13 years ago

   Oh please!!! Every time a thread is opened and somebody poses a question and christians answer it... nothing directed towards your religion whatsoever... simply something using the name "Jesus" or the "bible" you always insist on informing them that Jesus was just a prophet(not the son of God) and The bible is just for historical purposes and has no real value then you go on to tell how the qu'ran is the true word from Allah! You've even went as far as to tell me to change my comment because Jesus was only a prophet!
   
   I'm sorry but that is asking for trouble! To constantly tell Christians they are wrong... and tell them their bible is wrong but yours is correct!
   
   Then you come in here and say everyone has the right to believe whatever they want to believe!
   
   That is no peaceful! And it surely is not pushing "everyone's rights"!
   
   It's the same as your Muhammad forcing his men to attack the Meccans when they clearly did not want to go! He told them Allah told them to! And it was because they did not believe him to be a true prophet! So he forced his way in and forced the Qu'ran upon them! That is freedom of beliefs! And it is a true reflection of what you are pulling here! Deceptive!
   
   God Bless you Parrasurrey but you are really contradicting yourself in every way humanly possible! Go back and read your own posts or should I go copy and paste some of them???

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think you are right there. Muhammad did no force anybody to attack.

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         pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         come on paar...muhammad was fighter...i understand your emotions but that doesnot change history...muhammad attacked and participated in war...jesus never attacked anyone even when his own life was under threat...

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            paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Jesus did intend to fight and told his disciples to sell their clothes and use the money to buy  SWORDS (Luke 22:35-38).
            
            Perhaps from his experience with his followers; they preferred sleeping rather than praying for Jesus; Jesus knew it was exepcting too much from them.
            
            The intention of Jesus seems to be there, perhaps.
            
            Nevertheless; the Christians did take up the sword and had been fighting, as they say against the teachings of Jesus, and for that purpose they made a new law by the name "Just war Doctrine".
            
            http://www.catholic.com/library/Just_War_Doctrine_1.asp

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               pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               now that is news to me..i cant even imagine christ taking up sword...

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                  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Sword as in the armor of God.

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                     pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     christ and sword?..i cant relate to this..it is like gandhi with guns or buddha with arrow...
                     
                     paar give me more information about this...

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                        libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        He is twisting words to meet his needs!

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                           libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Paarsurry I thought you had studied the Bible? I ask this because apparently you do not know what this scriptures means! Jesus taught against fighting! He told Peter to put away his sword because if you live by the sword you die by the sword!
                           
                           You have taken scripture that you do NOT understand and twisted it to make Muhammad look equal to Jesus! And a bad attempt at that! .. no where in the Bible did jesus go to war or kill anyone or have anyone killed! He was truly peaceful! Can you quote from anywhere in the Bible otherwise??? Please post any verse that you find from the Bible that states Jesus led his disciples to war, or he killed anyone? Or Anywhere where Jesus told his disciples to kill or go to war???
                           
                           This verse you are quoting does not literally mean a sword! I will let you study and figure out the rest!

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                              paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes I have studied Bible OT & NT; Cahtolic and Protestant versions from cover to cover.
                              
                              Word of Revelation has not been preserved intact by the Christians and Jews in the original languages of the books it was revealed; that is why it has lost the reason/widsom part; which has to be added by the Christians and the Church for NTBible; and that further corrupts it.
                              
                              Now it can only be understood with the help of Quran; the Word of Revelation secure and preserved in the original text; that is why its reason/wisdom part is intact in its context; needing nothing external except for more elaboration .

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                                 libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 I know of the translations and I also know what words were translated... and I have the meaning! The qu'ran is totally different than the Bible I believe in! It's like arguing square pegs fit in circular holes!

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                        paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Christian Jesus is mythical carved from air by Paul and the Church; it has two faces, maybe three or more; one is PreachingJesus like  "if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also" (Matt. 5:39)." and the other AgressiveJesus of the "Just War Doctrine" of the Christians; it could drop even Athomic Bombs declaring them "Just Bombs".
                        
                        The real Jesus of Quran is peaceful and rational, a brother of Krishna, Moses and Muhammad.
                        
                        Muhammad's life is crystal clear and recorded in Quran with every necessary detail in it; he is peaceful, defensive and rational; doing everything at the appropriate time and occasion. Muhammad is the real model of an examplary real man of all times and places.

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                           libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Paarsurrey you are depending on the qu'ran which was written by a self proclaimed prophet! Can you answer me this??? Muhammad had 14 wives after his first wife died, correct? Why does Muhammad get 14 wives but his followers only are allowed 1 to 4 as he wrote in the qu'ran! So he was not practicing what he preaced????
                           
                           And can you answer this for me? Didn't Muhammad marry a six year old little girl? Then when the little girl turned 9 he has sex with her? Answer this!
                           
                           If Muhammad has sex with a 9 yr old little girl he is nothing more than a sexual predator of chidren!
                           
                           And you tell christians their Jesus is a myth carved from Paul??? I believe the Qu'ran was a bunch of writings from a man who used "prophet" statis for sexual and other desires! If your authority comes from Muhammad's babblings then you have none!
                           
                           Answer my questions above!
                           
                           Thank you!
                           
                           God Bless.

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                              paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Is your question about Gabriel; telling Mary that she will have a son been understood?
                              
                              Then we will discuss one of your next questions.
                              
                              Thanks

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                                 libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 You sure beat around the bush don't you Paarsurrey??? You never answered any of my questions... not a single one! You are stuck on something that I didn't even ask! I ask you a few questions and you have not answered NONE!
                                 
                                 I'm to assume there is no answer in something you have no idea about!!!
                                 
                                 
                                 Bye now!!!

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               marty1968posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               What a load of Hog wash!!!!!!

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                  marty1968posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  This in response to paar's words

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Christians tell everyone else they are wrong, constantly asking for trouble.

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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            Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            So, do Muslims, constantly ask for trouble. 

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               libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I don't know about other Muslims but Paarsureey does!

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   marty1968posted 13 years ago

   Wow. this looks like it has turned in to a war.......he he

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   The Meccans were the aggressors evidently.
   
   So Muhammad and his followers had to fight back for their existence and win back freedom of choice of religion for everybody.
   
   I am sure the American people are lovers of freedom; they would uphold the stance of Muhammad and his followers.

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      libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Good one Paarsurrey! However, the Qu'ran tells a different story than you! Tell us of the other wars? The ones where Muhammad pushed into their land and pushed war! Tell us of those wars!
      
      The Meccans didn't want to worship a fake God or listen to a false prophet and this angered Muhammad! So he waged war! It had nothing to do with "freedom of religion"! It had to do with Mumahhad's way or death... or pay them a tax! When I read the tax part in the Qu'ran it really showed what really was at the heart of Muhammad! It's about religon and Allah but if you pay a tax then you are protected! That's a man talking...not a God!
      
      So.. tell us of the other wars! We are listening!

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Name one such war

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            libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            How about where Muhammad killed the jews! Can you tell us about that? Or would you rather I did it???

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               marty1968posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Muhammad sounds more like Hitler. I'll admit that I dont know mush about Muhammed's teachings and from what I am getting from these posts I cant say that I want to know more unless it is to prepare myself for debates such as these to defend the One True Savior Jesus Christ

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                  libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I advise you to read the Qu'ran just for historical purposes! It will be a huge eye-opener into the mind of Muhammad!

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                     marty1968posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     How would I go about obtaining it. Is it online?

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                  libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I wouldn't go that far to call him Hitler! Hitler killed many, many people! Muhammad killed but I believe for different reasons... booty and women! His religious views had underlying reasons... he wanted to be leader and place himself in a "god-like" state... which he did! If you read the Qu'ran you will find he puts himself right up there with allah! Many times if it says something about not doing something against Allah it will have Allah or his prophet(meaning Muhammad)! Although him and HItler do have a lot of things alike!

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                     marty1968posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Is the Qu'ran online?

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                        libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes... but I wouuld advise you that not everything online is original text. I would go to the library and see if you can't check it out there!
                        
                        I'm sure you can probably find it online... just be sure you find a nonbiased one that hasn't been changed to suit the fancy of people who want Muhammad to be peaceful!!
                        
                        If you get  a hard copy at the Library you will be sure it's accurate!

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                           marty1968posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Ok. Thanks for the advice libby

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                           paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           If the hard copy has the original text in Arabic, which is usually there, it would always be the same in any library or on any online site, to your surprise

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                        paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/index.php

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                     paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I thinky you have not read Quran yourselves from cover to cover.Have you?
                     
                     Muhammad comes only 4 times in Quran.
                     Allah comes 3000+ times

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                        libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Actually yes I have Paarsurrey!
                        
                        And I know his name is only in it 4 times! However his name doesn't have to be mentioned when he says "Allah and his prophet" because we know exactly who Muhammad is talking about... himself!!!
                        
                        Now tell me how many times "prophet" is mentioned... where it is along side Allah... Such as "Allah and his prophet"!

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                     Baileybearposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     God and his crowd killed many, many people too

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            marty1968posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            the final battle to the final war is yet to come. the Battle of Armageddon

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   Christians were the most killers of all; they hardly turned the other cheek of preaching; they tortured and killed in almost all part of the world
   
   The Atheists Skeptics are no less killers though

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      pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      atheist are murders for what?...come on man..are you mixing stalin and mao with religious ideology?..for you information you need to revisit history and understand that your faith comes second to christianity...and abhramic religions comes no1

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I think Stalin and Mao did not believe in any religion; hence they deserve to be enumerated with the Atheists Skeptics. Don't they?

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            Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            If you fail to take into consideration facts, then yes, you can believe those despots are just Atheists Skeptics and place us all into that category of mass murderers, humbly and peacefully, of course.

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Gosh, how humble and peaceful a Muslim you are. Truly peaceful and humble.
      
      Did I mention how peaceful and humble your posts are?
      
      They most certainly are peaceful and humble. Congratulations!

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    paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

    It is people’s right to believe whatever they want to believe; and this right should not be denied to them; there is no compulsion in the matters of faith or religion.

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       Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       And, that gives you the right to say the things you are saying about others?

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    larryprice5372posted 11 years ago

    I believe there is no problem with beliving what you want and expressing that belief to others, even if it might hurt some feelings.  Having said this: I don't believe destroying the lifes of embassy officials can be justified in any way by these so called followers of Mohammed.
    
    I believe in speaking your mind and belief, so long as it is not disrespectfully intended as a devisive means to cause a reaction in others.  Obviously that is what occurred over this film, but dialog is the answer.  Killing over ones opinion is just plan stupis and cannot be supported in any way.

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