Suppose this god is real (and you were this god), and his (or your) sovereignty was challenged by rebels, would you kill the rebels right then and there? Or would you rather let them live for a while to give them time to prove something to themselves?
It seems as though people that doubt the existence of a God seem to use a book (Bible) which they profess to not believe, as their proof that a God does not exist.
Am I the only one that can NOT see the rationall in that logic?
To doubt the written word as protrayed in a book is one thAng.
To use that book that they acknowledge as false for their basis for not believing in a higher power ???
That ain't scientiFick thinkin!
A fifth grader can see that that logic is flawed.
The Bible is the source of knowledge about the Christian God, all Christians use it in some capacity. If the Bible is at all accurate in its depiction of Yahweh than it makes perfect sense to stop believing as no evidence of an omnipotent omnipresent child murdering psychopath has ever been discovered.
While I agree that people should not solely base their disbelief on the Bible I don't think there are many that do. For me the lack of evidence for God is my reason for disbelieving, the issues with the Bible were merely the first step toward doubting what I'd been indoctrinated with. Even if the Bible didn't exist or was logically sound there would still be ample justification for the rejection of God claims, namely the complete lack of evidence in favor of any god(s).
Why not? man was made in God’s image and if I were God, why not allow Adam and eve to live, I would just not enforce the naked rule.
Get rid of Satan, I would get rid of any overly negative creature
You said ..
Get rid of Satan, I would get rid of any overly negative creature
Just like religion has been doing! ?????????
This can be done. You would have to forget everything that you think that you have learned .... and look at it with fresh eyes. And realy see what you are looking at.
Can you do that ?
can you do make me believe without asking me that?
@jerami well that applies to you too...forget bible , jesus and god concept...look from entirely new view ...you would be convinced that last thing which can exist is god as defined by religion...which includes jesus and others...
I would forgive Adam and Eve because before eating the fruit they had no ability to tell right from wrong and thus cannot be judged all that harshly for disobeying. Like a child who accidentally touches a hot stove even after being warned I'd be more concerned with their well being than with the fact they disobeyed.
As for Satan he actually started a war against God, that's completely different from the Adam and Eve eating the fruit.
we have an understanding god here...
but i disagree that Adam and Eve did not have the ability to tell right from wrong, because they were made perfect humans. are you saying that imperfect people are much much intelligent than perfect humans? or is that what the bible says?
The fruit gave them knowledge of Good and Evil, in order for that to make a difference they would have to be ignorant of good and evil. So they couldn't have known that eating the fruit was wrong. That's probably why God tells them the fruit will KILL them, because telling them its evil would be meaningless to people with no knowledge of Good and Evil.
so perfect humans did not have knowledge of good and evil. or was it satan who tried to say, "Eve! Eve! Eve! Why are you always obeying god? Decide for your own what is good and what is evil, for once! And then whispering to himself, "and discover what an idiot you are if you listen to me!"
Well the Genesis account never says the humans were perfect from the start, though I question how a perfect God goes about creating something imperfect. But in order for knowledge of good and evil to do any damage they would have to lack that knowledge to begin with. Satan tells them the fruit will open their eyes, in reference to the new knowledge it will give them. In essence the fruit takes away their ignorance and innocence. You can see in their reaction after eating, only after they eat the fruit do they realize they made a mistake and they hide from God.
What no one seems to understand is that there has never been given directions to get Ya all the way there!
What little bit that we have is only complete enough to point us in the right direction.
If we are too dumb to figure it out from there ??
Do we realy belong there ?
Titen-Sxull wrote ...
Even if the Bible didn't exist or was logically sound there would still be ample justification for the rejection of God claims, namely the complete lack of evidence in favor of any god(s).
Can Ya see the insanity ??
I fail to see what's insane about rejecting a claim based on a lack of evidence.
If you were a juror in a trial; and all the so called evidence was (in your mind) corrupted; how could you make any kind of assertation ? truth OR Not ?
We're not dealing with corrupted evidence.
What we're dealing with is a situation in which there is no evidence, only hearsay and superstition. If all the Prosecution has to prove its case is hearsay and superstition I think I'm justified to rule Not Guilty. I'm sure you are familiar with innocent until proven guilty... Well all gods are fictional until proven real.
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