The Atheists often demonstrate as if they are authorized spokespersons of Science.
I don’t think so.
science is not religion...it is for all humans and doesnot divide humans...science is bigger than what ever divides humans and every human is indebted to science ...science doesnot need spokesperson since its benefits are reaped universally....for e.g. we dont know who used first tool for agriculture but whoever did opened new horizon for humans...without science humans would be still in jungle...religion does need spokepersons because religion needs marketing to survive...without marketing religion cant survive , spirituality would since quest for timeless question would still exist...look at present religions...they didnt exist 5k years back but quest of science still existed...
Yet there are atheists agnostics skeptics who demonstrate as if they are un-authorized spokespersons of science. Theists also make use of science; it is common with the everybody. Science has nothing to do with the atheists agnostics skeptics.
Science does not approve of the atheists; does it?
Science is not a person, so it doesn't have opinions on any groups of people.
I shall repeat, people who discuss science and their understanding of it are not spokespersons of science. Just because they disagree with your efforts to force your religion on them and use scientific facts to show you that your religion is not fact does not make them spokespersons of science.
@parr yes science neither does approve nor disapprove atheist...but science has raised doubt against religious god...so it does hint at disapproving religious god but it has still to reach that point..eventually it would but i doubt science would reach point of atheism itself...many science are atheist , many are theist , many are agnostic...lately number of agnostic scientist are increasing since religion is failing to answer quest of science and in end it would never be able to answer querying brain...
paarsurrey, the context of your statement indicates that you have no idea what science is.
Science is simply the observation, testing, and documentation of anything. If you watch a boiled egg, measure how long it takes to get hard, that's science. If you observe the distance that people with long legs walk and compare it with the distance that people with short legs walk, that's science.
Science is NOT a religion. It is simple observation and examination.
Why does science say that evolution happened? Because they found the evidence, i.e. they saw the skeletons, examined the DNA and a million other things.
You, yourself, use and listen to science all day long. When you listen to the weather channel predictions, you're listening to science. When you take a tablet because you have a cold, that's the result of science. People (scientists) saw that a certain substance made people better, ran a few tests, then put it in a package. That's science.
You seem to think that science has a 'bible' of some sort, and that people 'believe' that bible. Science doesn't have a bible. The only rules in science are observe and test, observe and test, until all the tests come out with only one possible answer.
When atheists and agnostics refer to science, they're essentially saying , in a polite way, "Listen dummy, if you want to take a solid look without blinkers, your own eyes will show you what is happening."
However, just because atheists and agnostics are polite people, they rather say, "science says..."
Where did they test that the Creator-God does not exist?
They never did it; they cannot do it; it is beyond them; it is none of their business.
Science only discoveres, it creates nothing from annihilation; only the Creator-God created everything.
Why it becomes so difficult to understand for the people of doubt?
It is the Creator-God who set the big bang explosion and set natural evolution for life; science never did it.
Science has never said that there was no God. Science has said that it cannot prove whether there is a God or not.
I don't need any proof of the existence of the Creator-God; everybody should believe in Him very naturally; though his signs are numerous and found everywhere.
Like one believes in one's father very naturally, without a proof; one believed in one's father even when there was no science and scientists; it is none of their business.
So going by that reasoning, there has to be god of allah. Prove me wrong.
There is only ONE; none other than Him has spoken to a human being, intelligently:
[20:12] And when he came to it, he was called by a voice, ‘O Moses,
[20:13] ‘Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa.
[20:14] ‘And I have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed.
[20:15] ‘Verily, I am Allah; there is no God beside Me. So serve Me, and observe Prayer for My remembrance.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=10
Verse is not the proof. Any tom, dick and harry can show verse and get away with it when asked for proof. Words mean jacksh** if you don't have empirical proof for what you blabber here. Prove to me that there isn't god above you allah other than verse shi*t or else STFU.
Science is a cacophony of ignorance and all those who trust in it also becomes the same...Theist and Atheist alike...
But both use it to justify their belief....
because their existence can only be justified by acquiring many followers unto themselves....
Which in itself shows the character of ignorance.
You think the field of study responsible for discovering gravity and developing life-saving medicine and surgery is "a cacophony of ignorance"?
It certainly would seem so, also that if we all stopped believing in gravity it would cease to exist and I guess we would all just float away.
Yes it is....what have they done for man other than create more ways for men to die?
They have saved many, many lives. They may even have saved your mother's: scientific and medical advancements have prevented the deaths of millions of women in childbirth.
Who? The millions of women saved? They're all around you. My mother is one of them.
There is no harm in using the medicine or treatment of the doctors; the ingredients of the medicine are taken from the nature, never created by anybody from annihilation, one should thank the doctors and should be more thankful to the Creator-God who created these ingredients for human benefit.
Don't be fooled my friend... Life takes care of its own...
Science is a mere imitation and a poor one at that, this is why it tries to take all the credit...
Life doesn't take care of its own. If not for surgeons performing a Caesarian on my mother I would not be alive.
I guess you don't even hear your own self....or You do not have a clue of what Life is....
Do you? I am not religious, so I define life as being present and breathing in this current day and age. I would not be these things if not for the help of doctors.
I guess the doctors and surgeons were advising as to what should and should not be about Life...this is why they still are the authorities of it...
The Truthful Religion does appreciate the services of the scientists and the doctors; as it has in all times appreciating the services of artisans and professionals.
There is a tradition from Muhammad that one who does not appreciate* the people he does not appreciate* the Creator-God Allah YHWH.
Insulin for diabetics, the heating in your house that keeps you warm during cold winters, the very house you live in....
Seriously, go get an education! Come back and play with us when you have a brain to play with!
Since Insulin what has become of diabetes...
How did man survived the winter before central heating....
I tell you truly ... more dies from these thing than Live...
Education LOL....who are the one that desires an education and for what purpose....?
Life precededs and will still be when they are gone....
Life is not ignorant
Ah well Kess I guess you should just go and live as a caveman then because everything you have and use only came about by science including the computer you are posting on.
Now if you are saying science is a cacophony of ignorance, well that ignorance has allowed you to post your ig...........
Science is a tool in service of humanity; like a knife is in one's hand; one can cut vegetable or fruit with it.
Science should be used under morals and spiritual guidance provided by the Creator-God; otherwise man could be destroyed by his own hands.
We might say then that western defence companies are operating under the spiritual guidance of God already as by the will of God we have advanced weaponry keeping us safe from middle eastern nutters who think the Quran authorises them to this day to kill the western infidel.
Ignorance has always been and forever will be the tool of knowledge....anyone who realises this will no longer remain ignorant but instead will be knowledge.
A caveman without a need is greater than the rich men with all this worlds goods for in it and by he will never find peace....
So this caveman I will gladly be....
The caveman will be washing dishes and doing the laundry, but will be reading a book in the sunshine sipping on a nice beer. with the additional benefit that I'm not riddled with worms lice and other life sucking parasites. Come to think of it, I'm 41 and the caveman would have been pushing up daisies.
That is ok, Paar. Those who are believers, are "authorized spokepersons" for "gods law and judgement" regardless of the fact, most do not have any formal education. So I would say it is fair across the board.
If believers can "speak the truth" about religion(faith/god/allah), by simply reading a bible/qu'ran (sacred texts) and having "god's understanding"
Then a non-believer can "speak the facts" of science, by simply reading books and having "logical understanding"
who are 'authorised' spokespersons of science? Muslims?
Science is a faculty; it does not need a spokesperson; it is the atheists who eulogize it out of proportion; within its field it is OK; out of it, it is nothing.
Some atheists are science minded and rely on science rather than primitive books written by primitive superstitious people who believed in the supernatural.
But other atheists are not science minded.
Most scientists these days are atheists so they speak for themselves.
Scientists are the spokesperson on science. Many scientists are atheists. Additionally many atheists are quite knowledgable about science and enjoy discussing and sharing their information.
Many scinetists are Theists as well. Does that make them a spokesperson of Science in general?
I don't think Science made anybody their spokesperson.
As far as science is not an official organization no, it has no spokesperson. It does have established and respected voices in the community who precendence is given to thanks to their experience; for example, Stephen Hawking (who is an atheist by the way).
Whoever told you that was probably smirking at the time.
Many scientiest are believers. Additionally many believers are quite knowledgable about science and enjoy discussing and sharing their information.
Science is tool of human beings; anybody can use this tool. I don't think atheists are first-born of the science.
Just because people discuss science and their understanding of it does not make them spokespersons of science.
In the same way people does discuss religion.
Does science approve atheists? If not; then why demonstrate it as such.
Science is a complementary of Religion; both are essential for human life.
The Theists are thankful to science and scientists but more thankful to the Creator-God, who created everything including the science only discovers, at a given point of time, what is already in existence in the nature, created by the Creator-God.
Science does not approve or disapprove of atheism or theism it simply states that there is no proof of a God so a God cannot be called fact. If you have faith that is fine, its the very basis of every religion I have studied, because faith exists in the absence of fact. When people discuss science they are discussing something verifiable, like why apples fall from trees. Fact is eventually every apple on a tree will fall, we call that gravity which is a theory but the apple falling is a fact.
It is usually not so much as being spokesman…it is more like people knowledgeable in science attempting to explain how it works to people who have about a 3rd grader’s understanding of science…
Anybody who can think rationally is a scientist and hence can say for science.
But you don't understand rationality, do you?
The atheists agnostics skeptics demonstrate as if they are un-authorized spokespersons of science. Theists also make use of science; it is common with the everybody. Science has nothing to do with the atheists agnostics skeptics; it is not their sole enterprize.
Science does not approve of the atheists; does it?
Science is a method, hence it doesn't have or require spokespersons.
How can a method approve of a group of people? Your question makes no sense at all. Try to spend the time to understand what science is rather than making up lies.
I don't consider them spokespersons of science. I wouldn't think they consider themselves that either. I think an atheist tries to use science to show reason in contrast to what they consider the unreasonable. Ration against what they consider to be the irrational.
Or, maybe they are simply using science to point out that people looking for answers can find mystery enough to sate their appetite here in the physical world, without trying to use their imagination to see beyond.
There's a host of possibilities as reason for any particular behavior pattern without assuming something rude, such as the OP appears to suggest.
Neither science nor the scientist ever authorized atheists to speak on behalf of the science; so at the most the atheists could be unauthorised spokespersons of science or scientists.
Perhaps, but notice that there is absolutely no point to your attack on atheists, it's just a pointless attack.
That position can be accepted for the atheists agnostics apatheist skeptics; they represent science and scientists unauthorized.
Ah yes, I've seen that before, the "Broken Pencil" argument, in which one needs to be "authorized" in order to practice the scientific method.
From where or whom such an authority is to issue their authorization is still unclear, but still equally pointless.
A bit of light reading may help.
Atheists- People of Doubt represent science and scientists unauthorized.
Again, you drawing attention to yourself. Why? Are you mentally ill? Do you have some sane reason? If so, what is it?
You keep bring the same nonsense to the thread you've started, as to hope to change people's minds or point out something that isn't true.
It is YOU who lacks knowledge, not people who don't believe like you.
The answer is in the past Cags, some of the rantings under a previous puppet provides the clue.
I better not say, last time I outed a sock puppet I got banned and he stayed. Several here know who it was, but the identity was a paranoid who hated every religion or belief except his own and got permanently wiped out no doubt for rants against jews, masons, christians and a dozen others.
Muslims do not understand science anymore since they decided everything is stated in their primitive superstitious book. What happened to Islam? It used to produce scientists. Now it only produces sheep and terrorists. Why are you not ashamed of the current state of Islam?
An excellent and clear explanation Sophia.
I await the reply!
I know the atheists agnostics skeptics can not talk of reason they only talk of "shi*t" .
If they talk with reason , their meaningful sentence would be complete without it as it only adds bad smell to their reason which was weak as ever even to start with.
Says paar ? What's your educational qualification by the way ? Graduate in arts, literature, religious studies, accounts ? and you to talk about reason ? Still waiting for your proof Mr Scientific religious
Please come on with reason, knowledge, rationality, revelation the requirement of a discussion.
I have no claim to piety or being a scholar; I am an ordinary man on the street in search of Truth.
I always knocked you out with reason, kiddo. Remember threads where you got pwned for your quran's verse spam on islamic violence/errors ? ofcourse you don't, you're having faith for reason.
really ?If you're ordinary man -searching for allah-biased truth then please show me proof for your claim of ' there is only one god allah' other than some quran text spam. Do you understand faith vs empirical proof ? and you talk about- reason, knowledge, rationality? Go get some education instead of blabbering about revelation by accusing atheists/agnostics.
If you are really in search of truth then pout down your stupid barbaric primitive book and come into the 21st century instead of living and thinking like a barbarian of two thousand years ago.
I do not believe you are in search of truth. You are in search of a way to promote your primitive fantasy.
With the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 the Promised Messiah Religion has been reformed to its original peaceful meaning as it descended on Muhammad from the Creator-God.
He missed about 40,000 hate filled psychotic bits he needs to rewrite.
Quran is a complete book of systems; Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 the Promised Messiah only tells the true meanings .
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