I want to express extreme regret at
the belief in God held in common by some
people in this age. On the face of it, all
religions of the world believe in the existence of
God.
Their followers profess the same faith, except
for an insignificant minority which openly denies
His existence.
But when we carefully examine the
situation, we find that belief in God is based on
form rather than substance. People have inherited
this belief from their ancestors and feel obliged to
adhere—albeit ostensibly—to the fundamentals of
their religions.
They do not want to abandon it lest
society disintegrates but, in their heart of hearts,
they do feel that God may indeed exist. For these
reasons they dare not deny His existence and
believe that they have a God.
But in reality they do
not believe in God and their hearts are as devoid of
faith as a deserted house is of inhabitants.
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/OurGod.pdf
Following are the topics our "Our God":
THE PLIGHT OF FAITH IN THE PRESENT AGE 3
IF THERE IS A GOD, WHY CAN WE NOT SEE HIM? 9
WHY SHOULD WE TRY TO FIND OUT ABOUT GOD? 17
METHODS OF INVESTIGATION INTO GOD’S
EXISTENCE 29
THE ROLE OF MOTIVE IN RESEARCH 31
TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF BELIEF IN GOD 37
RATIONAL ARGUMENTS IN FAVOUR OF THE
EXISTENCE OF GOD 45
Precautionary Argument 45
Argument from Human Nature 48
Cosmological Argument and the Argument from design 55
Western Scholars and the Existence of God 68
Why People are Misled by Modern Philosophy ? 81
God is Eternal and Uncreated 91
Why do we not accept the World to be Self Existing? 96
The Moral Argument 105
Argument of Universal Acceptance 112
Faith or Superstition? 115
Three Levels of Certainty 117
Argument of the Supremacy of Prophets 119
Testimony of the Righteous 136
THE GREAT ADVANTAGES OF BELIEF IN GOD 147
Belief in God brings about Unity 148
Is Religion the Cause of Wars and Strife? 155
A Personal Note 166
vi
Belief in God dissuades man from evil 167
Belief in God encourages Man to do Good 169
Belief in God helps understand the Nature of Things 169
Belief in God brings about True Satisfaction 173
Belief in God Provides the High Standard for Morality 174
REFUTATION OF ATHEISTIC ARGUMENTS 177
Three kinds of Atheists 177
Refutation of the First Argument 178
Refutation of the Second Argument 179
Refutation of the Third Argument 180
Refutation of the Fourth Argument 183
Refutation of the Fifth Argument 183
The Importance of Distinguishing between the Laws of
Nature and of Shariah 184
Transmigration of Souls 189
Why it is Important to Distinguish between the Law of
Nature and the Law of Shariah 192
What is the Cause of Sin? 194
Refutation of the Sixth Argument 197
Why have Injurious and Harmful things been Created? 199
Refutation of the Seventh Argument— Freud’s Theory 201
COMMUNISM AND GOD 209
Just Distribution of Wealth in Islam 213
CONCLUSION 217
One may access the link in the OP; only out of one's own free will; absolutely no compulsion.
This is not only true of some particular country or
religion; it is rather true of all religions and of the
entire world.
The poison of disbelief has penetrated
deep into the followers of all religions: be they
Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Christians,
Sikhs, or Muslims, etc.
The searing and noxious
winds of materialism have reduced every orchard
of faith to ashes. If anyone seeks verity of this
claim, I can adduce such evidence that cannot be
denied by any fair-minded person.
To those who
doubt it, I will ask just one question: After
analysing the state of their own hearts and of their
fellows, can they honestly say that they all truly
believe in God?
I speak not of superficial or
inherited ritual, but of true and living faith. Do they
feel and experience the existence of God as they
feel and experience the material and tangible things
of this world?
Are they as certain about the
existence of God as they are about the existence of
the sun, the moon, the mountains, the rivers, their
houses, their ancestors, and their friends?
If not,
then understand it well that we cannot consider
their faith to be true. They are not in the least
certain about the existence of God, and can be
likened to those who hold on to a zombie
imagining it to be alive.
3
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/OurGod.pdf
If they say that the faith and conditions of faith I
have mentioned above are of the highest possible
level and that only the elect of God are blessed
with such a lofty station, their statement would
lend further proof of their ignorance, for they know
nothing of the highest level of faith and can hardly
begin to appreciate it.
The fact is that this level of
faith—whereby one believes in God just as one
believes in material objects of this world—is only a
middle level of faith. Have you not read the
Tradition in which the Holy Prophet (sa) has said that
a believer with the average level of faith would
prefer to be burnt to ashes rather than abandon his
creed? But if one finds himself at the lower level of
faith, then let me ask: Can you honestly say that
your faith influences your life as a living truth in
reality?
Do you really feel the love of God and fear
of His wrath in your heart? Does your faith induce
you to do good and to discard evil? Do you truly
put your trust in God, in all things, rather than in
material means?
5
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/OurGod.pdf
I do not mean to ask whether or not you sometimes
feel any relationship with God or whether thinking
about Him, prevents you from evil because such a
condition could even be true of a person who has
insight enough not to deny the existence of God.
Every now and then, the idea occurs to him that
God, Who has created him and controls the
universe, may indeed exist and that some day he
may have to be answerable to Him.
Of course, such a person would feel a certain association with the idol of an imaginary god, and this thought may at
times stop him from sin and urge him to do good,
and he might at times manage to look beyond the
material things towards God and feel that real trust
can only be placed in Him. But such a state cannot
be called true faith, rather it is a state of doubt
which keeps him swaying like a pendulum. It can
only be called true faith when it becomes a
permanent part of one’s life and takes root in one’s
heart as an eternal truth.
It should become the food
for his soul and a beacon to warn him of all the
dark alleys of sin. Through such faith the paths of
righteousness are illuminated for him and all
material things lose their significance. He no longer
depends on material means but places his real trust
in God—the ultimate Cause of all causes.
The fire of Divine love continues to blaze in his heart, and
the fear of earning His displeasure overwhelms his
entire being.
6
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/OurGod.pdf
Do you really find such faith in your hearts? If
not—and that is most likely to be the case—then
please do not claim yourselves as believers. Seek
true faith which descends from heaven and lights
up the farthest and darkest recesses of the heart like
a powerful lamp instead.
When this happens, God shall cease to be a figment of your imaginations and shall reveal Himself in His true form, as a
Living, Self-Subsisting and Omnipotent Sovereign,
Who is Loving and Kind. His Kingdom shall
become far more evident and manifest than that of
earthly monarchs.
True faith, in short, is conspicuous by its absence
in the present age. Not only is it absent from the
hearts of the masses, but those who profess to be
the leaders of religion and claim to be custodians of
people’s faith have themselves fallen prey to
atheism. They either deceive the world or are
themselves deceived. Their lips profess but their
hearts are empty.
When it comes to spirituality, the
world has indeed fallen into an abyss of darkness
and there is not the tiniest, flicker to guide a
staggering and stumbling wayfarer. Is it not the
demand of the age that in keeping with God’s
eternal practice, the Sun of His Manifestation
should rise from the heart of a holy person and
illuminate the world?
7
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/OurGod.pdf
Sounds like the same old shtick as any other zealot, of any other religion. I know God..you don't. I'm surprised there wasn't a nananana booboo somewhere in that paar.
It might have served more purpose to express extreme regret for the slaughter of millions in the name of Islam. That..I might have respected.
Agreed (just_curious). Although, I think I lost respect in paar a while back when his rebuttle to my quoting violent islamic verses was to state just that I don't understand, or that I hadn't read the Qu'ran close enough and simply cherry-picked other verses from it in an attempt to foil my argument. T'was a little fallacious.
Paar: If you quote from something that has been previously proven against how you "believe" it to be, then there is no more validity in your argument. If I were to say then the three little pigs got eaten by the big bad wolf, and you prove me otherwise, quoting more passages only digs your own grave deeper and deeper.
Maybe try Bhuddism or become a Sikh if you want peace in a religion, because you won't find it in islam.
There is not a single hate verse or verse of violence in Quran; please quote one if you have read quran and then prove your viewpoint from the context.
No compulsion however.
Why would one bother? You would simply ignore fact and.pretend it wasn't so. As you have done repeatedly.
So all those folk who kill people in the name of Allah are not Muslims....?
You would have fun arguing that with the Imams and Mullahs who preach violence, doubt you would survive long before your head was chopped off or you were buried up to your neck in some god forsaken place and stoned to death.
"No compulsion however."
Really, so why is it illegal for a Muslim to change faith?
Why are all Malaysian Malayans (I'm in Malaysia)born as Muslims and cannot change (no compulsion there?)
Why is Islam afraid of their people hearing the Gospel of Christ? (it's illegal to speak about it here in Malaysia).
Yep, No Compulsion and Islam has no violence in it.
You said it so it must be true.
If they don't act on the teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; they are simply doing a wrong politics.
Unfortunately Buddhists and Sikhs do not have blood-free hands either. While it's true less harm has been committed in the names of those faiths, they are not completely innocent.
In 2003 extremist Buddhists attacked Christian churches in Sri Lanka. One church was completely destroyed by petrol bombs. Church workers were beaten up. Threats were issued: if the local Christians did not destroy their own churches, the Buddhists would do it for them. That year 65 churches came under attack.
There is no match for the atheistic non-believers in killing; see what they did in Russia and China.
Nobody has ever been killed specifically in the name of atheism, paar. What's more, murder is not a competition as you seem to think it is. All murder is terrible.
Islam is a peaceful religion and it promotes peace. There is no hate verse in Quran and no teachings to kill anybody.
Atheism is a peaceful ideology and it promotes peace. There is no hate verse in A Brief History of Time and no teachings to kill anybody.
Then how do you explain extreme mulim fundamentalists who do violence and hateful acts, if they are in such blatant disregard for the Qu'ran? According to them the prophet Muhammed, through the Qu'ran set the rules for how nonbelievers are to be treated.
Either ask them or read the Quran yourself intently and let us know reference of any hateful verse or teaching of killing human being generally and mercilessly in Quran; the first and the foremost source of guidance of Islam/Quran/Muhammad.
The extremists are simply using name of religion for their own political ends; that is why they are call extremists.
I asked you. I don't want to read the Qu'ran. There is little real evidence that makes me want to read it based on the actions of fundamentalists. You may very well be a peaceful muslim. I have muslim friends who are incredibly wonderful, peace-loving people. I love them dearly.
Be that as it may, I'm not interested in reading the Qu'ran. Nor are many others. Actions speak far louder than words, my friend.
Then please give a reference of just one verse from Quran which is considered to be the most hateful verse containing teachings of killing human beings generally and mercilessly; we will examine it from its context.
You are much better qualified to do that than me. I'm not a believer. Again, I'm not interested. Again, actions speak louder than words.
That has been done over and over and over, and all you ever do is deny it. Pointless exercise.
Since you asked, Paar....
Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Ishaq:326 "Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth."
ver seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'"
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Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
Qur'an:8:72 "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them - these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so." [Another translation reads:] "You are only called to protect Muslims who fight."
Qur'an:8:73 "The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah's religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid - these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise)."
Qur'an:48:16 "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture."
Qur'an:48:22 "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."
Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
Qur'an:47:31 "And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters."
Qur'an:9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah."
Qur'an:5:94 "Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment."
Qur'an:2:193 "Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers."
Qur'an:2:217 "They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: 'Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah's Cause have the hope of Allah's mercy."
Qur'an:2:244 "Fight in Allah's Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all."
Qur'an:2:246 "He said: 'Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: 'How could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'"
Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
Qur'an:3:146 "How many prophets fought in Allah's Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors]."
Qur'an:3:153 "Behold! You ran off precipitately, climbing up the high hill without even casting a side glance at anyone, while the Messenger in your rear is calling you from your rear, urging you to fight. Allah gave you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for the booty that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you."
Qur'an:3:154 "Say: 'Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain."
Qur'an:61:4 "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause."
Qur'an:61:11 "Believers, shall I lead you to a bargain or trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive and fight in Allah's Cause with your property and your lives: That will be best for you!"
Qur'an:24:53 "They swear their strongest oaths saying that if only you would command them. They would leave their homes (and go forth fighting in Allah's Cause). Say: 'Swear not; Obedience is (more) reasonable.'"
Qur'an:4:74 "Let those who fight in Allah's Cause sell this world's life for the hereafter. To him who fights in Allah's Cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward."
Qur'an:4:75 "What reason have you that you should not fight in Allah's Cause?" [Another translation says:] "What is wrong with you that you do not fight for Allah?"
Qur'an:4:76 "Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah."
Qur'an:4:77 "Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: 'Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?'"
Qur'an:4:78 "Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers strong and high! So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?"
Qur'an:4:84 "Then fight (Muhammad) in Allah's Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you."
Qur'an:4:94 "Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah's Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: 'You are not a believer!' Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty."
Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who fight in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a grade higher to those who fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who fight He has distinguished with a special reward."
Qur'an:4:100 "He who leaves his home in Allah's Cause finds abundant resources and many a refuge. Should he die as a refugee for Allah and His Messenger His reward becomes due and sure with Allah. When you travel through the earth there is no blame on you if you curtail your worship for fear unbelievers may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are your enemy."
Qur'an:4:102 "When you (Prophet) lead them in prayer, let some stand with you, taking their arms with them. When they finish their prostrations, let them take positions in the rear. And let others who have not yet prayed come - taking all precaution, and bearing arms. The Infidels wish, if you were negligent of your arms, to assault you in a rush. But there is no blame on you if you put away your arms because of the inconvenience of rain or because you are ill; but take precaution. For the Unbelieving Infidels Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment."
Qur'an:4:104 "And do not relent in pursuing the enemy."
That's an awful lot of denial there. It will take Paar ages to work through it all.
I've noticed he's stopped suffixing his post with "I am Ahmedi a peaceful Muslem"
That being the case, which of the violent verses I quoted from the Qur'an do you reject?
Notice that even though the Islamic propagandist asked for verses, like before, there is no response when those verses are presented other than the usual propaganda.
But, let's give the propagandist the benefit of the doubt and see if he will respond to those verses.
I asked for one verse; please select one verse from them whichever serves your viewpoint the most; and we will discuss it here.
And when that is done, you will claim like all others have in the past, that you cannot take one verse alone to make sense or for an argument against.
All YOU know how to do is twist things to suit your belief instead of seeing the nonsense in your belief.
I don't have a 'viewpoint' on the Quran
I have never read it myself, and have only come across Muslims who have been peaceful and delightful in nature.
If you claim that the whole book is nothing than peacefully however, then if these verses are accurate, I think that you would have to go down each one and explain the evident violent content.
One who did not read it; should first read the verses of Quran with verses in the context and then form a view point.
There are other atheists skeptics agnostics pantheist whatever; they should come forward to help one in this connection.
Do the actions of the Christian extremists make you not want to read the bible?
Exposure to the original sources are always beneficial. You get to cut out the middle man interpreter.
I've come to realize how few arguments you have except repeating what your very false opinion is: that islam is a peaceful religion. And hey, if that doesn't work, then I must not have read it right!
Hows that for flawless, ad hominem argument?
Paar, take it from every serious scientist on the planet: logic is the best we've got and to think otherwise is just foolish.
Oh, and you're meaning to tell me that killing all those who idolize other gods is moral? (Qur'an 9:5, 9:123, 4:89)
Yeah, you're all kinds of wonderful. A religion of peace? Bull shit it is.
The atheist agnostics skeptics non-believers could not prove their wrong viewpoint from the context of Quran; they were exposed.
They have a chance to do it now; out of their free will; no compulsion.
One can never prove an alternate point of view by quoting the doctrine of a book that contadicts it. That is obvious. Would you try to defend Islam using the Bhagavad Gita?
You have only stated that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Everyone does that. You have to go outside your single source doctrine to prove its validity.
Christians, same goes for you. All books tend to be internally consistent, more or less.
Paar, I think you do a lot to undermine your viewpoint. I think most of my muslim mates - or handful of religious mates in general - would be utterly depressed at your continuous and mindless threads.
Very disapointing. D minus - must try harder.
The poison of disbelief has penetrated
deep into the followers of all religions: be they
Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Christians,
Sikhs, or Muslims, etc.
The searing and noxious
winds of materialism have reduced every orchard
of faith to ashes. If anyone seeks verity of this
claim, I can adduce such evidence that cannot be
denied by any fair-minded person.
Do they feel and experience the existence of God as they
feel and experience the material and tangible things
of this world?
On the face of it, all religions of the world believe in the existence of God.Their followers profess the same faith, except
for an insignificant minority which openly denies His existence.
Why didn't you put in a full list Greek One?
I guess it's a bandwidth thing.
I must have developed a Greek sense of the ridiculous! Timely and funny.
I believe the fear bit!
With all the threats made by your god anyone who believed in this god would be afraid.
Surprised you don't see that as a strange motivation.
they Key word here Earnest is "See"
enough said
Agreed.
none so blind as those who will not see. Will not being the operative words here.
Up is down, black is white, abuse is love, brutality is discipline, hate is correction, it is endlessly, and boringly obvious to anyone with a modicum of sense that the whole thing is a bronze aged scare tactic that works best on ignorant or desperate people.
Agreed. Cezar taught well and Kings and Presidents have followed it to the letter, as they say here in the U.S.
"So Help me God!" Got news for them though. If there was God why would he follow man and go along with his governess, why would he need to?????
oops....who said that!....
I think the circular argument is that it is all true because it was written in a book inspired by a gnome or a fairy, and that gnome or fairy says it is true.
I forgot to add indoctrinated. The "heavy duty" Muslim religion is big on indoctrination from the quoran.
That is how they convince children to kill themselves so they can get the rewards the quoran offers for taking out infidels.
Please quote from Quran where it convinces the children to kill themselves.
Quranic teachings are contrary to your observation.
[6:152] Say, ‘Come, I will rehearse to you what your Lord has forbidden: that you associate not anything as partner with Him and that you do good to parents, and that you kill not your children for fear of poverty — it is We Who provide for you and for them — and that you approach not foul deeds, whether open or secret; and that you kill not the life which Allah has made sacred, save by right. That is what He has enjoined upon you, that you may understand.
[6:153] ‘And approach not the property of the orphan, except in a way which is best, till he attains his maturity. And give full measure and weight with equity. We task not any soul except according to its capacity. And when you speak, observe justice, even if the concerned person be a relative, and fulfil the covenant of Allah. That is what He enjoins upon you, that you may remember.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=151
These are the type of awful statements from the quoran that muslims use to ensure their children are frightened in to becoming walking bombs with a death wish.
Quran Surah 34: Saba
Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 5
Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 8
But some of the jinn Allah burned with flaming Fire. 12
Those who strive against Allah’s revelations will be brought to the doom. 38
Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 41
Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 45
Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 51-52
Quran Surah 35: The Angels
Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 7
Allah sends whoever he wants astray. 8
Allah hates disbelievers. 26
Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 36-7
He who disbelieves, his disbelief will be on his own head. 39
Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don’t bother warning them.
There are dozens of nauseating passages like this in the quoran.
Please select the most awful verse of them and quote it here with the verses in the context and then prove your view point.
I won't mind; but people like if it is done passage by passage. One may do like I suggested out of one's own free will with one's comments, no cumpulsion however
If a god did create mankind in whatever manner that it was done; This God would know the ways of Mankind.
Woosh I just got dizzzy thinking about the ramifications of that, when I looked under the surface ?
What makes me think that I could out think something like that ... whatever it (God) might be.
every one has Faith these days Paar
Islamists
Hammas
Islamic Brotherhood
Christians
Catholic's
Israel, USA, Europe, UK, France.....
you name it, Faith abounds
we seem to be over-run with it in case you have not noticed.
Faith and Guns...like peanutbutter and jelly...
The quoran uses the word kill, 35251 times. The word "QATL" also means to slaughter, murder, combat, put to death.
Invariably, the interpreters of the Quran use the more 'sanitised' terms to convey a more moderate connotation. These words are Qital, Qatl, Qatala, Yaqtulu, Youqatilou.
Says it all.
Are you sure about that number? I didn't think the quran was that long. That's a little scary.
The number of times is means to kill varies, depending on which arguments are put forward, the number of times it is used is factual though.
If you take the hate passages out of the bible you will wind up with a pretty thin book as well.
I cannot recall the figures off the top of my head, but the human abuse passages run at over 30k for the bible and 46k for the quoran as I remember.
Not stats that are common, but some people have gone to the trouble to list them all.
I could find them, I posted them here over a year ago.
I dunno, I was so shocked when I saw it I probably got tanked!
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