The Plight of Faith in the Present Age

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  1. profile image49
    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    I want to express extreme regret at
    the belief in God held in common by some
    people in this age. On the face of it, all
    religions of the world believe in the existence of
    God.

    Their followers profess the same faith, except
    for an insignificant minority which openly denies
    His existence.

    But when we carefully examine the
    situation, we find that belief in God is based on
    form rather than substance. People have inherited
    this belief from their ancestors and feel obliged to
    adhere—albeit ostensibly—to the fundamentals of
    their religions.

    They do not want to abandon it lest
    society disintegrates but, in their heart of hearts,
    they do feel that God may indeed exist. For these
    reasons they dare not deny His existence and
    believe that they have a God.

    But in reality they do
    not believe in God and their hearts are as devoid of
    faith as a deserted house is of inhabitants.

    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/OurGod.pdf

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Following are the topics our "Our God":

      THE PLIGHT OF FAITH IN THE PRESENT AGE 3
      IF THERE IS A GOD, WHY CAN WE NOT SEE HIM? 9
      WHY SHOULD WE TRY TO FIND OUT ABOUT GOD? 17
      METHODS OF INVESTIGATION INTO GOD’S
      EXISTENCE 29
      THE ROLE OF MOTIVE IN RESEARCH 31
      TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF BELIEF IN GOD 37
      RATIONAL ARGUMENTS IN FAVOUR OF THE
      EXISTENCE OF GOD 45
      Precautionary Argument 45
      Argument from Human Nature 48
      Cosmological Argument and the Argument from design 55
      Western Scholars and the Existence of God 68
      Why People are Misled by Modern Philosophy ? 81
      God is Eternal and Uncreated 91
      Why do we not accept the World to be Self Existing? 96
      The Moral Argument 105
      Argument of Universal Acceptance 112
      Faith or Superstition? 115
      Three Levels of Certainty 117
      Argument of the Supremacy of Prophets 119
      Testimony of the Righteous 136
      THE GREAT ADVANTAGES OF BELIEF IN GOD 147
      Belief in God brings about Unity 148
      Is Religion the Cause of Wars and Strife? 155
      A Personal Note 166
      vi
      Belief in God dissuades man from evil 167
      Belief in God encourages Man to do Good 169
      Belief in God helps understand the Nature of Things 169
      Belief in God brings about True Satisfaction 173
      Belief in God Provides the High Standard for Morality 174
      REFUTATION OF ATHEISTIC ARGUMENTS 177
      Three kinds of Atheists 177
      Refutation of the First Argument 178
      Refutation of the Second Argument 179
      Refutation of the Third Argument 180
      Refutation of the Fourth Argument 183
      Refutation of the Fifth Argument 183
      The Importance of Distinguishing between the Laws of
      Nature and of Shariah 184
      Transmigration of Souls 189
      Why it is Important to Distinguish between the Law of
      Nature and the Law of Shariah 192
      What is the Cause of Sin? 194
      Refutation of the Sixth Argument 197
      Why have Injurious and Harmful things been Created? 199
      Refutation of the Seventh Argument— Freud’s Theory 201
      COMMUNISM AND GOD 209
      Just Distribution of Wealth in Islam 213
      CONCLUSION 217

      One may access the link in the OP; only out of one's own free will; absolutely no compulsion.

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    2. profile image49
      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is not only true of some particular country or
      religion; it is rather true of all religions and of the
      entire world.

      The poison of disbelief has penetrated
      deep into the followers of all religions: be they
      Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Christians,
      Sikhs, or Muslims, etc.

      The searing and noxious
      winds of materialism have reduced every orchard
      of faith to ashes. If anyone seeks verity of this
      claim, I can adduce such evidence that cannot be
      denied by any fair-minded person.

      To those who
      doubt it, I will ask just one question: After
      analysing the state of their own hearts and of their
      fellows, can they honestly say that they all truly
      believe in God?

      I speak not of superficial or
      inherited ritual, but of true and living faith. Do they
      feel and experience the existence of God as they
      feel and experience the material and tangible things
      of this world?

      Are they as certain about the
      existence of God as they are about the existence of
      the sun, the moon, the mountains, the rivers, their
      houses, their ancestors, and their friends?

      If not,
      then understand it well that we cannot consider
      their faith to be true. They are not in the least
      certain about the existence of God, and can be
      likened to those who hold on to a zombie
      imagining it to be alive.

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      http://www.alislam.org/library/books/OurGod.pdf

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      1. profile image49
        paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        If they say that the faith and conditions of faith I
        have mentioned above are of the highest possible
        level and that only the elect of God are blessed
        with such a lofty station, their statement would
        lend further proof of their ignorance, for they know
        nothing of the highest level of faith and can hardly
        begin to appreciate it.

        The fact is that this level of
        faith—whereby one believes in God just as one
        believes in material objects of this world—is only a
        middle level of faith. Have you not read the
        Tradition in which the Holy Prophet (sa) has said that
        a believer with the average level of faith would
        prefer to be burnt to ashes rather than abandon his
        creed? But if one finds himself at the lower level of
        faith, then let me ask: Can you honestly say that
        your faith influences your life as a living truth in
        reality?

        Do you really feel the love of God and fear
        of His wrath in your heart? Does your faith induce
        you to do good and to discard evil? Do you truly
        put your trust in God, in all things, rather than in
        material means?

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        http://www.alislam.org/library/books/OurGod.pdf

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        1. profile image49
          paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I do not mean to ask whether or not you sometimes
          feel any relationship with God or whether thinking
          about Him, prevents you from evil because such a
          condition could even be true of a person who has
          insight enough not to deny the existence of God.

          Every now and then, the idea occurs to him that
          God, Who has created him and controls the
          universe, may indeed exist and that some day he
          may have to be answerable to Him.

          Of course, such a person would feel a certain association with the idol of an imaginary god, and this thought may at
          times stop him from sin and urge him to do good,
          and he might at times manage to look beyond the
          material things towards God and feel that real trust
          can only be placed in Him. But such a state cannot
          be called true faith, rather it is a state of doubt
          which keeps him swaying like a pendulum. It can
          only be called true faith when it becomes a
          permanent part of one’s life and takes root in one’s
          heart as an eternal truth.

          It should become the food
          for his soul and a beacon to warn him of all the
          dark alleys of sin. Through such faith the paths of
          righteousness are illuminated for him and all
          material things lose their significance. He no longer
          depends on material means but places his real trust
          in God—the ultimate Cause of all causes.

          The fire of Divine love continues to blaze in his heart, and
          the fear of earning His displeasure overwhelms his
          entire being.

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          http://www.alislam.org/library/books/OurGod.pdf

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          1. profile image49
            paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Do you really find such faith in your hearts? If
            not—and that is most likely to be the case—then
            please do not claim yourselves as believers. Seek
            true faith which descends from heaven and lights
            up the farthest and darkest recesses of the heart like
            a powerful lamp instead.

            When this happens, God shall cease to be a figment of your imaginations and shall reveal Himself in His true form, as a
            Living, Self-Subsisting and Omnipotent Sovereign,
            Who is Loving and Kind. His Kingdom shall
            become far more evident and manifest than that of
            earthly monarchs.

            True faith, in short, is conspicuous by its absence
            in the present age. Not only is it absent from the
            hearts of the masses, but those who profess to be
            the leaders of religion and claim to be custodians of
            people’s faith have themselves fallen prey to
            atheism. They either deceive the world or are
            themselves deceived. Their lips profess but their
            hearts are empty.

            When it comes to spirituality, the
            world has indeed fallen into an abyss of darkness
            and there is not the tiniest, flicker to guide a
            staggering and stumbling wayfarer. Is it not the
            demand of the age that in keeping with God’s
            eternal practice, the Sun of His Manifestation
            should rise from the heart of a holy person and
            illuminate the world?

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            http://www.alislam.org/library/books/OurGod.pdf

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    just_curiousposted 14 years ago

    Sounds like the same old shtick as any other zealot, of any other religion. I know God..you don't. I'm surprised there wasn't a nananana booboo somewhere in that paar.

    It might have served more purpose to express extreme regret for the slaughter of millions in the name of Islam. That..I might have respected.

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    1. FreeThoughtist profile image61
      FreeThoughtistposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed (just_curious). Although, I think I lost respect in paar a while back when his rebuttle to my quoting violent islamic verses was to state just that I don't understand, or that I hadn't read the Qu'ran close enough and simply cherry-picked other verses from it in an attempt to foil my argument. T'was a little fallacious.

      Paar: If you quote from something that has been previously proven against how you "believe" it to be, then there is no more validity in your argument. If I were to say then the three little pigs got eaten by the big bad wolf, and you prove me otherwise, quoting more passages only digs your own grave deeper and deeper.

      Maybe try Bhuddism or become a Sikh if you want peace in a religion, because you won't find it in islam.

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      1. profile image49
        paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        There is not a single hate verse or verse of violence in Quran; please quote one if you have read quran and then prove your viewpoint from the context.

        No compulsion however.

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          just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Why would one bother? You would simply ignore fact and.pretend it wasn't so. As you have done repeatedly.

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          1. earnestshub profile image72
            earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Exactly!

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        2. aguasilver profile image77
          aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          So all those folk who kill people in the name of Allah are not Muslims....?

          You would have fun arguing that with the Imams and Mullahs who preach violence, doubt you would survive long before your head was chopped off or you were buried up to your neck in some god forsaken place and stoned to death.

          "No compulsion however."

          Really, so why is it illegal for a Muslim to change faith?

          Why are all Malaysian Malayans (I'm in Malaysia)born as Muslims and cannot change (no compulsion there?)

          Why is Islam afraid of their people hearing the Gospel of Christ? (it's illegal to speak about it here in Malaysia).

          Yep, No Compulsion and Islam has no violence in it.

          You said it so it must be true.

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          1. profile image49
            paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            If they don't act on the teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; they are simply doing a wrong politics.

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      2. dingdondingdon profile image60
        dingdondingdonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        Unfortunately Buddhists and Sikhs do not have blood-free hands either. While it's true less harm has been committed in the names of those faiths, they are not completely innocent.

        In 2003 extremist Buddhists attacked Christian churches in Sri Lanka. One church was completely destroyed by petrol bombs. Church workers were beaten up. Threats were issued: if the local Christians did not destroy their own churches, the Buddhists would do it for them. That year 65 churches came under attack.

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        1. profile image49
          paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          There is no match for the atheistic non-believers in killing; see what they did in Russia and China.

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          1. dingdondingdon profile image60
            dingdondingdonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Nobody has ever been killed specifically in the name of atheism, paar. What's more, murder is not a competition as you seem to think it is. All murder is terrible.

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            1. profile image49
              paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

              Islam is a peaceful religion and it promotes peace. There is no hate verse in Quran and no teachings to kill anybody.

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              1. dingdondingdon profile image60
                dingdondingdonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Atheism is a peaceful ideology and it promotes peace. There is no hate verse in A Brief History of Time and no teachings to kill anybody.

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              2. Daniel Carter profile image66
                Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Then how do you explain extreme mulim fundamentalists who do violence and hateful acts, if they are in such blatant disregard for the Qu'ran? According to them the prophet Muhammed, through the Qu'ran set the rules for how nonbelievers are to be treated.

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                1. profile image49
                  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Either ask them or read the Quran yourself intently and let us know reference of any hateful verse or teaching of killing human being generally and mercilessly in Quran; the first and the foremost source of guidance of Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

                  The extremists are simply using name of religion for their own political ends; that is why they are call extremists.

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                  1. Daniel Carter profile image66
                    Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                    I asked you. I don't want to read the Qu'ran. There is little real evidence that makes me want to read it based on the actions of fundamentalists. You may very well be a peaceful muslim. I have muslim friends who are incredibly wonderful, peace-loving people. I love them dearly.

                    Be that as it may, I'm not interested in reading the Qu'ran. Nor are many others. Actions speak far louder than words, my friend.

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                  2. FreeThoughtist profile image61
                    FreeThoughtistposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                    I've come to realize how few arguments you have except repeating what your very false opinion is: that islam is a peaceful religion. And hey, if that doesn't work, then I must not have read it right!

                    Hows that for flawless, ad hominem argument?

                    Paar, take it from every serious scientist on the planet: logic is the best we've got and to think otherwise is just foolish.

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                  3. FreeThoughtist profile image61
                    FreeThoughtistposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                    Oh, and you're meaning to tell me that killing all those who idolize other gods is moral? (Qur'an 9:5, 9:123, 4:89)

                    Yeah, you're all kinds of wonderful. A religion of peace? Bull shit it is.

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    2. profile image0
      Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ha! love that word: "shtick".

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  3. profile image49
    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    The atheist agnostics skeptics non-believers  could not prove their wrong viewpoint from the context of Quran; they were exposed.

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    1. FreeThoughtist profile image61
      FreeThoughtistposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You are a fool.

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    2. profile image49
      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      They have a chance to do it now; out of their free will; no compulsion.

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    3. thebrucebeat profile image61
      thebrucebeatposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      One can never prove an alternate point of view by quoting the doctrine of a book that contadicts it.  That is obvious.  Would you try to defend Islam using the Bhagavad Gita?

      You have only stated that you are right and everyone else is wrong.  Everyone does that.  You have to go outside your single source doctrine to prove its validity.

      Christians, same goes for you.  All books tend to be internally consistent, more or less.

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  4. superwags profile image69
    superwagsposted 14 years ago

    Paar, I think you do a lot to undermine your viewpoint. I think most of my muslim mates - or handful of religious mates in general - would be utterly depressed at your continuous and mindless threads.

    Very disapointing. D minus - must try harder.

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  5. profile image49
    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    The poison of disbelief has penetrated
    deep into the followers of all religions: be they
    Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Christians,
    Sikhs, or Muslims, etc.

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    1. Beelzedad profile image60
      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Really? What poison would cause an Islamic propagandist to disbelieve in Christianity so vehemently, they go to such lengths as denouncing it publicly in order to support their own agendas?

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  6. profile image49
    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    The searing and noxious
    winds of materialism have reduced every orchard
    of faith to ashes. If anyone seeks verity of this
    claim, I can adduce such evidence that cannot be
    denied by any fair-minded person.

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    1. profile image49
      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Do they feel and experience the existence of God as they
      feel and experience the material and tangible things
      of this world?

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  7. profile image49
    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    On the face of it, all religions of the world believe in the existence of God.Their followers profess the same faith, except
    for an insignificant minority which openly denies His existence.

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    1. dingdondingdon profile image60
      dingdondingdonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "Insignificant"? That's nice.

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  8. earnestshub profile image72
    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    Why didn't you put in a full list Greek One?


    I guess it's a bandwidth thing. smile

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    1. Greek One profile image65
      Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Some nut job 'Reverend' grabbed and burned my copy of the Qur'an before I could get to the really nasty stuff

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  9. Greek One profile image65
    Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

    http://www.oilcrash.com/images/waiting.jpg

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    1. earnestshub profile image72
      earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      lol lol lol I must have developed a Greek sense of the ridiculous! Timely and funny. lol lol lol

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  10. earnestshub profile image72
    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    I believe the fear bit!

    With all the threats made by your god anyone who believed in this god would be afraid.

    Surprised you don't see that as a strange motivation.

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    1. dutchman1951 profile image61
      dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      they Key word here Earnest is "See"

      enough said

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      1. earnestshub profile image72
        earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Agreed. smile

        none so blind as those who will not see. Will not being the operative words here.

        Up is down, black is white, abuse is love, brutality is discipline, hate is correction, it is endlessly, and boringly obvious to anyone with a modicum of sense that the whole thing is a bronze aged scare tactic that works best on ignorant or desperate people.

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        1. dutchman1951 profile image61
          dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Agreed. Cezar taught well and Kings and Presidents have followed it to the letter, as they say here in the U.S.

          "So Help me God!"  Got news for them though. If there was God why would he follow man and go along with his governess, why would he need to?????

          oops....who said that!....  smile

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          1. earnestshub profile image72
            earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I think the circular argument is that it is all true because it was written in a book inspired by a gnome or a fairy, and that gnome or fairy says it is true.

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            1. dutchman1951 profile image61
              dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

              yep, I believe you have it.

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        2. earnestshub profile image72
          earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I forgot to add indoctrinated. smile The "heavy duty" Muslim religion is big on indoctrination from the quoran.
          That is how they convince children to kill themselves so they can get the rewards the quoran offers for taking out infidels.

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          1. profile image49
            paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Please quote from Quran where it convinces the children to kill themselves.

            Quranic teachings are contrary to your observation.

            [6:152] Say, ‘Come, I will rehearse to you what your Lord has forbidden: that you associate not anything as partner with Him and that you do good to parents, and that you kill not your children for fear of poverty — it is We Who provide for you and for them — and that you approach not foul deeds, whether open or secret; and that you kill not the life which Allah has made sacred, save by right. That is what He has enjoined upon you, that you may understand.

            [6:153] ‘And approach not the property of the orphan, except in a way which is best, till he attains his maturity. And give full measure and weight with equity. We task not any soul except according to its capacity. And when you speak, observe justice, even if the concerned person be a relative, and fulfil the covenant of Allah. That is what He enjoins upon you, that you may remember.’

            http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=151

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          2. earnestshub profile image72
            earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            These are the type of awful statements from the quoran that muslims use to ensure their children are frightened in to becoming walking bombs with a death wish.

            Quran Surah 34: Saba
            Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 5
            Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 8
            But some of the jinn Allah burned with flaming Fire. 12
            Those who strive against Allah’s revelations will be brought to the doom. 38
            Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 41
            Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 45
            Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 51-52

            Quran Surah 35: The Angels
            Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 7
            Allah sends whoever he wants astray. 8
            Allah hates disbelievers. 26
            Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 36-7
            He who disbelieves, his disbelief will be on his own head. 39
            Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don’t bother warning them.


            There are dozens of nauseating passages like this in the quoran. smile

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              paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Please select the most awful verse of them and quote it here with the verses in the context and then prove your view point.

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                paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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                1. earnestshub profile image72
                  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  How about I put the whole book here? smile

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                  1. profile image49
                    paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    I won't mind; but people like if it is done passage by passage. One may do like I suggested out of one's own free will with one's comments, no cumpulsion however

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  11. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    If a god did create mankind in whatever manner that it was done; This God would know the ways of Mankind.

        Woosh    I just got dizzzy thinking about the ramifications of that, when I looked under the surface ?

       What makes me think that I could out think something like that ...   whatever it (God) might be.

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  12. dutchman1951 profile image61
    dutchman1951posted 13 years ago

    every one has Faith these days Paar
    Islamists
    Hammas
    Islamic Brotherhood
    Christians
    Catholic's
    Israel, USA, Europe, UK, France.....

    you name it, Faith abounds
    we seem to be over-run with it in case you have not noticed.

    Faith and Guns...like peanutbutter and jelly...smile

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  13. earnestshub profile image72
    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    The quoran uses the word kill, 35251 times. The word "QATL" also means to slaughter, murder, combat, put to death.

    Invariably, the interpreters of the Quran use the more 'sanitised' terms to convey a more moderate connotation. These words are Qital, Qatl, Qatala, Yaqtulu, Youqatilou.

    Says it all.

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      just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Are you sure about that number? I didn't think the quran was that long. That's a little scary.

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      1. earnestshub profile image72
        earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        The number of times is means to kill varies, depending on which arguments are put forward, the number of times it is used is factual though.
        If you take the hate passages out of the bible you will wind up with a pretty thin book as well.
        I cannot recall the figures off the top of my head, but the human abuse passages run at over 30k for the bible and 46k for the quoran as I remember.
        Not stats that are common, but some people have gone to the trouble to list them all.
        I could find them, I posted them here over a year ago.

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        1. dutchman1951 profile image61
          dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          the amount is sobering

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          1. earnestshub profile image72
            earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I dunno, I was so shocked when I saw it I probably got tanked! lol

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