No Paradise For Rich People - Jesus

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   jay_kumar_07posted 12 years ago

   JESUS followers are poor or rich.

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      CMHypnoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Or somewhere in-between!

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         jay_kumar_07posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Iam not interested in-between class.All followers can say &stay in this class.

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            superwagsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            So rich "class" and poor "class" is all you're interested in. I've got to say, you're dreadful at putting across what you mean - I don't really understand what you're talking about...

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               jay_kumar_07posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               JESUS Followers are poor or rich.

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                  superwagsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Erm, I don't know what you mean? You mean lot's of people follow Jesus from across the whole spectrum of "richness"?

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      kessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The rich are those who have forsaken the things of this Life, which ultmately ends in death, for the  sake of the things of the Ultimate Life, where death cannot reign.
      
      These are Christ and His followers.
      
      The poor are those who seek for Life in the aquisituion of the things of this Life...Which ultimately id death..
      
      Many of these are Jesus followers.

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      Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Good. The rich should all go to hell. Oh wait. I just won the lottery... Forget what I said, lol.... 
      
      The only reason Jesus said the poor were his favorites was because no one else was desperate enough to follow him and his egomaniac of a god-father. There has to be one place the rich can't buy their way into. But it hasn't been invented yet.,

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   sofsposted 12 years ago

   Does it matter what class you are? All that matters is whether you follow or not. It seems pointless to start a thread like this..anyways have fun!

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      jay_kumar_07posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Iam a rich man.what is the meaning of follow  to enter paradise. JESUS told that no rich man can enter paradise.

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         superwagsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You'd better go and squander your money then! I recommend booze and blackjack!
         
         I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars..... The rest I just squandered.
         (George Best)

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            jay_kumar_07posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Now where you are

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               superwagsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Eh? Jay, you're going to have to work on the English a bit mate. I don't mean to be patronising but I don't really undertand what you mean.

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         mohitmisraposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         What he was talking abut was attachment, as long as one has any desires any attachments he cannot have god, for god one must let go everything.
         Many kings have gained enlightenment, they had a lot of money and wealth but were not attached to anything.
         
         This is what it means sacrifice your first born, its is not to be taken literally.

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         paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         It is difficult for a rich man to spend money for the cause of religion;most rich men are miserly people. Poor are open hearted. I think Jesus referred to this phenomenon.

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            mohitmisraposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            No paarsurey its about being attached.

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               earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I agree Mohit, it is about attachment. I know what it is like to have money I also know what it is like to be attached to money.
               
               It is like any other attachment, a need that cannot be requited with financial wealth, and has other roots.

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                  mohitmisraposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  cheers

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   jay_kumar_07posted 12 years ago

   It is difficult for rich man to enter paradise as like difficalt for camel to enter needle hole.
   But more rich people are following  JESUS with wealth.They are following with out attachment or with attachment.
   They are rich or poor.

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      just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I would have to agree with the other posters. It is about attachment. I think it means rich in the  things of the physical world. Not necessarily money only.
      
      I think we have to realize that the lack of yearning for the spiritual makes us rich in the things of this world.
      
      It's like when the rich guy told Jesus he'd follow, but only after he went home to put his affairs in order. It wasn't the wrong answer because was rich, but because given the choice between spiritual and material, he  immediately put the material first. The right answer was that spiritual knowledge was right in front of him and he should have seen it for the true wealth it was and never thought of turning away.

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         Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I'm in agreement with the 'attachment to riches' posts here.
         
         What we see these days though in the US and increasingly Europe and Australia is the warped prosperity, 'name it and claim it', 'blab it and grab' it teachings. These super wealthy ministries with huge egos on pop star wages continue to peddle the lie that God wants all Christians to be financially rich and the way to do it is give your money to them, so that God blesses you in return.
         
         Sounds more like a divine national lottery at best, or a pyramid money scheme at worst. The tragedy is the millions of followers suckered in to it all.

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            just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I'm not in the least surprised that they've been suckered into it. By my understanding, US policy shifted after WWII and was specifically designed to pull us hard into consumerism. They wanted to create the society we have now; two adults working, pouring their wages into the economy. The credit system was created to expand that out further to enslave us into the process. We all bought into it, hook, line and sinker. It's no wonder the church preaches it too. Believing everything will always get better tends to keep the money rolling.

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      Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know how true it is ?  I read somewhre that there was a town back then that was called Eye of a needle or something like that.    And Camels were Not Allowed to pass through it.
      
         Probably not true  ...   but an intresting thought.

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   Onusonusposted 12 years ago

   Jesus never said rich people can't get into heaven.

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      jay_kumar_07posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      But he said that it is  more difficult than the camel entry through eye of a needle.
      Are you sure that  the camel can enter through the eye of a needle.
      Then what is the meaning of the JESUS comments.
      pl

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         Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         It's harder for a Rich man for two main reasons I think:
         
         1) Being rich he thinks he is self sufficient and finds joy and happiness in his wealth. He feels he has no need for God, so pays God's Kingdom no attention.
         
         2) If at some point he does decide he wants God, he is immediately faced with the challenge of his wealth in view of the poverty about him. Letting go of that wealth, that security blanket, could be very difficult. If he believes that God wants him to give away his money, he may just walk away instead.

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            jay_kumar_07posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            yes.
            
            My point is that many rich man are enjoying the paradise in earth .And follow any one of the religion for formality.
            
            Is it true.

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   habeeposted 12 years ago

   "It is easier for a camel to pass through The Eye of the Needle" than it is for a rich man to enter the gates of Heaven."
   
   The "eye of the needle" was a passageway. A large boulder extended over the path, so camels had to get on their knees to pass through it. Some scholars say the "eye" was a narrow gate. Either way, it wasn't impossible for a camel to pass through - just difficult. It's not a sin to be rich - it's all about how the money was obtained and what you do with it. Look how God rewarded some of his followers with wealth. The problem is when you worship mammon.

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      jay_kumar_07posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      ok
      Richness is a curdle of spritual life.How can we handle.
      
      Do not put on your desire on wealth - BIBLE SAYS

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