If Time is a dimension then why isn't Consciousness?

1. 60

   LewSethicsposted 11 years ago

   The Spatial Dimensions are WHERE THINGS HAPPEN.
   Time is WHERE THINGS HAPPEN.
   Consciousness is also WHERE THINGS HAPPEN.
   Just sayin.

   replyreport
   1. 60

      rbe0posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Who says it isn't?

      replyreport
   2. 92

      melporposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Time is quantifiable and has a direction with respect to a reference point just like the other three known dimensions height, width, and depth. Consciousness does not have either of these qualities. Consciousness is awareness only and is just a state of our mind.

      replyreport
      1. 61

         Druid Dudeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Consciousness isn't dimensional because it exists outside the confines of time/space. No spatial relationship.

         replyreport
         1. 61

            Druid Dudeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Energy also isn't defined by dimension.

            replyreport
         2. 92

            melporposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Consciousness is our awareness that we are a living being. When we die our consciousness ceases as well because it is the result of all the electrochemical and biochemical reactions occurring in our brain. The white light people claim they see during  near death experience is the brain shutting down because of its chemical processes are slowly coming to an end.

            replyreport
            1. 61

               Druid Dudeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Dust stays here, water stays here. Consciousness could survive, much like a radio wave survives, in the realms of energy. Check into Noetics. Consciousness could be a state of energy.

               replyreport
               1. 74

                  Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Actually, consciousness has no energy attached to it and isn't energy in itself. Which is why it ceases at brain death.

                  replyreport
                  1. 80

                     psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Indeed. It is more like a collection of chemicals and membranes, which fall afoul of entropy when life ceases.

                     replyreport
   3. 0

      Deborah Sextonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      *****************************
      
      A dimension is the measurement of movement.
      The movement that we as humans are aware of is
      
          Up and down or Height
          Back and forth or Length
          Side to side or Width
      
      
      By this definition, physically we live in a three dimensional world.

      replyreport
   4. 60

      A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You probably need to use Hamiltonian equations that use the sum of all the potential and kinetic energy in a closed system, like the brain.

      replyreport
2. 60

   LewSethicsposted 11 years ago

   Well, most references to the 'Four Dimensional Space-Time Continuum' don't include a fifth dimension.

   replyreport
   1. 61

      Druid Dudeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Billy Davis Jr.

      replyreport
3. 80

   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   No, a dimension is a continuum expressing expansion in space and time.  Consciousness is awareness of self that is implicated located in one point in all four dimensions.

   replyreport
4. 92

   Pcunixposted 11 years ago

   Many religious people have to believe that consciousness is more than what it is.  Without that belief, there is no possibility of the silly life after death they hope for.
   
   That's why they'll never accept reality on this subject.  They can't.

   replyreport
   1. 74

      Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, anyone who makes the claim that consciousness exists or continues to exist after brain death, just doesn't understand consciousness.

      replyreport
      1. 80

         psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         But, but, where does the light go when you snuff out a candle...?

         replyreport
         1. 74

            Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Okay, I'll bite....what light?

            replyreport
         2. 92

            Pcunixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Where does the light go when you DON'T snuff out a candle?  That's another way to ask the same question.

            replyreport
5. 61

   Druid Dudeposted 11 years ago

   Well, actually, I believe less in life after death than I do re-cycling or re-combining elements which are already incapsulated in this universe. If something is said to simply de-exist, then that, in itself is a scientific impossibility. What doesn't stay here, still exists in a different form, such as the released energy of a log after it has been fully consumed. When a star goes nova, what it was has merely changed form. Your brain waves, the act of thinking produces measurable energetic "signals" which we call brain waves. This energy doesn't simply cease to exist, nor, can it. I didn't make this up. It's science, whether you believe it or not. Have a nice day:)

   replyreport
   1. 92

      Pcunixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Your brain waves are no more "consciousness" than the radio waves emitted by your computer are a spreadsheet.
      
      That isn't "science" - it's uninformed nonsense.

      replyreport
6. 80

   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   What we call "brainwaves" are charged ions moving through cell membranes.  All that stuff eventually becomes other stuff. Experience of person hood does not go along with it.

   replyreport
   1. 74

      Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I'll add that consciousness isn't something that goes along for the ride either.

      replyreport
   2. 61

      Druid Dudeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Excuse me. I used to do EEG's and you are mistaken. Just what makes those sguiggly lines your Dr. always steps back and says "Hmmmm!" about? It is this very fact which is being used to attempt to create the next generation of computational devices. Brain waves produce energy. Measurable amounts of it.

      replyreport
      1. 74

         Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         And in brain death, it no longer produces energy. Meaning, that energy is transformed into something not measurable.

         replyreport
         1. 61

            Druid Dudeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            And your point?

            replyreport
            1. 74

               Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Since it's transformed into something that isn't measurable, there's no experience, memory or consciousness. It doesn't go with it...all CEASE to exist.

               replyreport
      2. 92

         Pcunixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         So does your computer.  But those waves are not capable of doing computing tasks, are they?

         replyreport
      3. 80

         psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah, me too. In a research setting I was that Dr.  That's why I know what the brain waves are, and it ain't electrons. It is "ionic current".  Charged ions separated by a cell wall membrane. It is "energy" produced by ions in solution separated by membranes--not some disembodied magical force that can float off into the aether.

         replyreport