What is the relationship between Jesus (Christ) and Lucifer (Satan)

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   bloggernotjoggerposted 12 years ago

   Since I´m not very familiar with the folklore, and there seem to be quite a few ¨experts¨ here, I thought I´d ask.
   According to the storyline, Lucifer was the ¨highest of the high¨ or something to that effect. So, I guess that at some point, Lucifer must have had a higher ranking than Jesus. Yet, how can this be if Jesus is the son of God? My only conclusion to this is that Satan must have been the older sibling. So, is Satan Jesus´ older brother?

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      Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Satan was created perfect by God.  But apparently God's powers weakened as the perfection deteriorated to the point of allowing Satan to be tempted into sin.  Who tempted Satan is discussed at length here :
      
      
         http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/60664

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      The0NatureBoyposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      First of all, Jesus is a pseudonym representing the son conceived by Mary from a "holy ghost" defined as "a whole man able to function as a ghost".
      
      Secondly, Isaiah 14's Lucifer is someone who is to appear during the time of the second person the pseudonym represents.
      
      Lucifer's relationship is with the last days' christ, as seen in Isaiah 14 when completely read, shows Lucifer will become as any other man once the Second messiah arrives in his position (Malachi 3:1) to being the world peace Isaiah 2:2-4 reveals. That means Lucifer is the name applied to the 0.001% of world population controlling about half of the earth's monetary wealth. When the christ comes to "restore all things" (Matthew 17:12) he will be establishing an ecological way of life which will eliminate classes plummeting Lucifer from his perch as god.
      
      That is the basics of it from my readings.

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   wendimacposted 12 years ago

   Satan, or Lucifer as he was originally called, was not God's son, but an archangel.  He became discontented at being God's right hand, so to speak, and wanted to rule Heaven himself.  God cast him to the earth, where he would live for all eternity.  This is how Hell is established.  It was eons later that God sent Jesus Christ, his only begotten son, to earth to save our sins.   He was born to a virgin, through immaculate conception.  When he became a man, he healed the sick and performed other miracles.  He was later branded a heretic and crucified.  On the third day, after dying on the cross, he rose from the dead and ascended to Heaven, promising to return again. 
   I guess the only 'relation' between Jesus and Satan is that Satan is responsible for sin, and Jesus was sent to save us from sin.  I'm no theologian, but I do know one thing for certain:  Satan was not the older sibling of Jesus. :-)

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      bloggernotjoggerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That´s too bad. It would have made for a better story.

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         mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         The similarity is within in all of us. My propensity toward kindness, is Jesus. My propensity toward evil, is satan. We are one in the same and we put on many faces.

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         AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         It isn't a story but for those who do not believe then it is. But both are not related and Satan was not higher then Jesus.

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      Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      In actual fact, the story that some satan aka Lucifer was some archangel of beauty and perfection, who rebelled against God, was cast to Earth and created Hell, is a myth. This account cannot be found anywhere in the bible. It was Origen and Tertulliun in the 3rd century who came up with the ideas of a satan as an arch fiend of God, and this myth stuck. The Church's whole concept of Satan is completely alien to Judaism.

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         AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         When Lucifer was cast out of Heaven, one third of all the angels were cast out with him. (Rev.12:4,9)
         
         Revelation 12:4-9 (King James Version) "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
         
         (5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
         
         (6)And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
         
         (7)And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (8)And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
         
         (9)And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
         
         Lucifer became Satan, and the fallen angels became Demons.
         
         It's written in the Bible.

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            Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Lucifer does not appear in Revelation.
            
            The beliefs of Jews and the early Church with regards to heaven were quite different to ours. They believed the Earth was flat and heaven covered over it as a dome. Thus solar systems, galaxies, a vast universe were unknown to them; the heavens were only sufficient in size to cover the Earth. The sun and moon traversed the underside of this dome, and the stars were either, gods, angels, or the light of heaven leaking through holes. However, in the Hebrew scriptures stars refer to men in far more occasions than angels.
            
            For example the four living creatures surrounding throne are not to be taken literally. They represent four great constellations at four cardinal points of the sky; The lion represents Leo, the ox is Taurus, the human is Aquarius, and the eagle is Scorpio. Now we see Scorpio as a scorpion, but in Babylonian astrology, this constellation was seen as an eagle. Have a look at a star chart to confirm these four creatures are signs of the zodiac.
            
            Shortly before John wrote hs book, Haley's comet appeared, which was understood as being a bad omen. It was interpreted as being a dragon (they had no concept of a comet being a dirty snowball that leaves a trail of debris burnt off by an orbit close to the sun) that caused stars to fall as they were outshone by it.
            
            Revelation 12:7-9 in no way state that this satan's position was originally in heaven. It  simply talks about an occasion where this Satan was in heaven and a battle takes place.
            
            So if stars are understood to be angels represented in the constellations, Revelation must be understood in this context, and therefore represent mythological ideas. Satan is not real, he was invented by the church by combining the Jewish concept of an opposer/accuser who acts on God's behalf, with mythological and pagan ideas and imagery.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      wendimac,
      
      The hell you are speaking of is this material civilization and when you apply the "fire" we get "man's burning desire for money and material goods which is never quenched until they become 'born again' for salvation." The new born are preparing to become "the ten wise virgins," meaning 10% of earth's end time population, of which only 5% will actually survive. The reason the it is never quenched is it returns once Rev. 21's spiritual civilization goes through the transition Genesis 1:1-2:3 represents. 
      
      The "new birth" is the reverse of what happened to Adam and Eve (Gen. 3:24) and their children  the "daughters of men" of Genesis 6:2 by going through the painful (flaming) process of accepting good and evil alike and being cut (sword) away from all attachments to return to ecological living.

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   MickeySrposted 12 years ago

   The relationship between Jesus and Satan is essentially that of Creator to created (it is also perfect to corrupted, holy to evil, infinite to limited, etc, etc - but it starts with Creator to created).

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   Mihai Stetposted 7 years ago

   Cinderella

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   FatFreddysCatposted 6 years ago

   I hear they play poker every other Thursday night.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      How can they play poker, Satan and Christ are one and the same.

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         FatFreddysCatposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         You'd be way more fun if you had a sense of humor.

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