Let's say the thing in face- Religion is a chicanery, and Philosophy a trickery. These are words fabricated to deceive men and to trap them inside an unreal flux of cognition. What we can not sense, does not exist therefore. All your spiritualism is the product of a bum!
The only problem I see there is that you state 'what you cannot sense does not exist.' That's probably true, but we do sense the spiritual. The rest? It's not difficult to see why one might come to that conclusion when viewing other people's musings on the topics.
I had an epiphany last night. We are a moment, between past and future and we seem to worry about past and future more than the moment. That's what makes now so beautiful, the fact that we are the moment. We can call it God or any number of things. What is truly important, is that we are here.
"Time present and time past
Are both perhaps present in time future,
And time future contained in time past-
If all time is eternally present."
It sounds like a form of truth, even if it is in concept.
We think we own the moment, in truth, we are only borrowing it for a time.
We acquire many things in life, in death they are only borrowed acquisitions. In the same sense, time is only borrowed, not owned.
"The important thing, is that we master ourselve's first. Then we can see about mastering other things."
-It's a very subjective opinion. Many people would master the world first, because once they master the world, then they won't need to master anything else. If they need, they will do it very differently.
Thus came history. In the long run, those who mastered themselves, won, before or after.
Have you thought about the way people *sense* time?
Tell me the way you sense time, that's enough. To begin with- is it *fixed*, or is it plastic?
What if you are in a place where there isn't a clock.
Then time becomes meaningless, which is the point of living in the now.
One can look at the position of the sun in the day or stars at night to get a general idea.
So refining the *mode* of consciousness is the key to enter into ourselves?
The Australians that live in the cities have a term for the aboriginals sense of time, they call it aboriginal time actually because they cannot count on the aboriginals to show up at a time given. It is because the city follows a sense of order of time, things are important day to day in the city, in the outback with the aboriginals time is understood to not truly matter in the large spectrum. It is how we live our lives that matters to them.
Just to say- If people could move away from the solar-system, in a spaceship: what will their *sense* of time become like?
From religion came philosphy, from philosophy came Mathematics; from Mathematics came science.
I don't think any of them is fake; one has to look for the truthful one.
It's all truth, because it has happened. The only solid truth, is now.
You might be very frustrated with the many doctrines and dogma of both philosophy and religion. I understand that. As long as you stay well in the present moment, everything will be fine.
Just like the atom is now, so are we. The past is Gone and so is the former self of moments past. Clinging to that past is a form of suffering, for it only clouds the present.
Yes, that's right. It's an honest and true opinion from the Zen perspective.
IMO, the past, present and future are all here now. The images we retain form either place is what defines us in terms of how we "are". The concept of timekeeping is a way for some societies to maintain a type of order and has nothing to do with past, present or future. Clinging is a form of suffering but remembering is also part of past, present and future and is most helpful in guidance.
Remeberance is not neccesarily clinging, trying to relive moments is. Trying to forget the past is to cling to the idea that it can be changed, but we cannot change the past. Which is why it is so hard for many to live in the moment.
Yes. I also believe we can change our perception of the past in this moment and again in the next which brings us back to the fluidity of moments. That's not to say we are deceiving ourselves in any way, but we are perceiving ourselves in a different way.
Time will constantly change moment to moment, we just have to adjust the change to suit the need. I'm not talking about surface needs or spiritual needs, I'm talking about the needs of survival, in the moment. Of course if we paid attention to the aspect of time, all of the time, we'd go straight through the roof insane.
For a long time, I believed the only question to ask of religion was - is it true? If it is not true, then I could see no value in it. Added to this, the harm religion has done gave it nothing in its favour, in my opinion. However, as I have seen ill and dying people who find great comfort from their beliefs, I think it would be the height of arrogance, if I were to try and persuade them out of them. Not only that, but it would be cruel. The desire of the scientifically minded for absolute objective truth, does not take into account the human need, that religion answers. So perhaps the question of whether a belief is backed up by scientists or historians should not be the only one when evaluating religion. And as long as the harmful and dangerous side of religion can be kept under contol, perhaps us atheists and agnostics should leave well alone.
As we exist on this planet earth, we all need something to believe in. Because the first man, Adam, (as described in the book of Genesis 2nd chapter decided to create his own will in disobeying his Creator), everyone has free will. Those who express their thoughts freely Create their own Philosophy. And it is up to those who listen to any man's thoughts to believe it or not. Religion is a repeated behavior. A person who does something on a routine that defines their beliefs is putting their actions into a religious behavior. A religious behavior associated with a believed philosophy defines a person.
So to say that philosophy and religion are humbug is generalizing- because even the person who originally thought of that statement has their own set of beliefs and puts into practice a routine of behaviors that defines what they believe.
This concludes my comment on this subject. I think that applying the statement of this forum can make a person too judgemental on what others believe. Doing so can create a resistance to respect each ones' beliefs as each one's individuality. Only we should let the Creator of all Life be the final judge.
We experience life differently, not just different experiences but different ways we are affected by those experiences and the different thoughts, understandings and beliefs we accumulate from them, our lives are imprinted by the way we act and react and we have each been given our own sense of right and wrong and free will. Humans are very chaotic, actions and personalities on all ends of the spectrum.
by GoldenBird 6 years ago
Hello folks -I thoughts I must input my knowledge of *tantra* with everyone! Tell me how to wake up the serpent-power. I am ready to fight!
by Rema T V 7 years ago
"Drop your past and live in the present" is a philosophy we often hear. Do you follow this?
by zzron 6 years ago
Atheists claim that God does not exist, show me the proof that backs up this claim.
by Vapid Maven 6 years ago
So I've been thinking a lot about this lately. I've been involved in a lot of discussions on the lack of any physical evidence to the existence of any god (no matter what the religion)and it is always countered with there is also no physical evidence that a god "does not" exist which is a...
by PhoenixV 9 months ago
Why Don't Atheists Believe In God?
by accofranco 9 years ago
If your answer is yes,what is your proof.And then which religion is the true religion and which one is false and why do you think so?
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